Well, now its out in the open. Clearly our Nuclear Deal with the USA is subject to the Draconian Hyde act in the USA. Anyone who has read it will agree that it places very severe restrictions on our civilian and military nuclear programme, our sovereign foreign policy and the whole lot of associated aspects. There is no way this Govt should go ahead with the deal now. Looks like the BJP and the Left parties were right all along.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by west on Aug 08, 2008 08:50 AM Permalink
Lawmakers in USA think it's not in US interest
Lawmakers in India think it's not in India's interest
What else one needs as proof that the deal has been worked out totally in a WIN-WIN situation for both countries? Some one did a tremendous job in working out this deal.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Observer on Aug 08, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
West - Definitely MMS did not do anything to workout this deal. He neither initiated the deal, nor any indication that he negotiated the deal. He had initially dumped the deal like many other NDA govt initiatives, but took it out from the junk yard (either under US pressure or to make his personal point).
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by ABC on Aug 08, 2008 08:58 AM Permalink
I suppose it depends how you choose to look at the deal. I agree, the deal has many good aspects for both countries. For India it is a recognition of nuclear status, fuel supply to its reactors (though not indefinitely guaranteed), dual use technology, scientific exchanges etc. For the US it brings India into the official Nuclear club, legitimizes our Nuclear prog, most importantly helps their energy companies earn billions and creates a strong partner in the Asia region to counter China. However there are a large number of bad issues for both countries - the large number of bad ones for India as mentioned before and for the US-giving fuel to a non NPT country, undermining the NPT and CTBT which were the cornerstones of America's dominance in the international nuclear market and so on. Which is why there are a few lawmakers in the US against the deal but most are in favour. In India it is split down the middle since the pros and cons are almost equal and in my view the cons just about outweigh the pros. The deal is definitely a WIN situation for the USA, but could be a WIN or LOSE situation for India.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by west on Aug 08, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
you said negative for USA - "US-giving fuel to a non NPT country, undermining the NPT and CTBT which were the cornerstones of America's dominance in the international nuclear market"
if what you said above is true then there must be more opposition from the Lawmakers in USA and it wouldn't have reached this position. The deal has bi-partisan support means that all the lawmakers agree to do nuclear business with India.
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by prabhat mohanty on Aug 08, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
- It has been one way traffic for almost 34 years. Yes, there are hazards. But, for a rewarding future, we need to take risk with the best possible options. We can not stay isolated and assert ourselves.
Today, we are staking our claims in lucrative satellite launch market.
Tomorrow, it will be the civilian nuclear industry around the World.
[ See how French Civilian Industry is regarded with so much of respect !]
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by prabhat mohanty on Aug 08, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
- For everything in life, there are people in favour or against.
The reasons could be anything.
What's the big deal.
This should not stop us pursuing our own goals and objectives.
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by govindaa govindaa govindaaa on Aug 08, 2008 08:44 AM Permalink
I have been told by an American friend that it is impossible for American Congress to pursue a nuclear deal with a country unless they amend their domestic laws. This seems to be a commonsense among every American whereas we are making much fuss about it.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by ABC on Aug 08, 2008 08:52 AM Permalink
I agree entirely - we can't expect the American Govt to break their own laws! They hence need a law which will allow them to trade with a non-NPT country like India, hence the Hyde Act. However from India's point of view, the Hyde act severely compromises our positions as I mentioned (I suggest that all those who havent made up their minds on the deal read the Hyde act first, then ull know what Im talking about). Till now all Govt and Congress spokespersons said that the Hyde Act will have no effect on India and is not contingent on us in any way. From todays statement it is clear that the Nuke deal IS contingent on the Hyde Act and hence we are bound by the Hyde act, indirectly atleast. The Hyde act contains scary statements like 'the US govt will do its best to ensure no nuclear device is exploded by India' & 'India will help the USA in containing IRANs nuclear programme' - severely compromising out strategic and foreign policies.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 12:12 PM Permalink
What you are missing is that India does not have to do business with US only after NSG waver. Hyde act is US domestic law and governs how US deals with other countries in Nuclear arena. So NSG waver is only a door which opens up possibilities of Nuclear trade between US and India as well as other countries in NSG and India. So India can deal with France for example without having to work with US and Hyde law.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by All Right on Aug 13, 2008 08:17 AM Permalink
Brilliant.... So my dear friend, tell me why Manmohan was madly after signing the US deal?... :-)
Irrespective of what you say or believe, US was, is, and will continue to be the biggest power on the globe. You deny it, it's your prerogative. Ostriches frequently engage in those tactics.
RE:Cat out of the bag, once again!
by Sandeep on Aug 15, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
Really brilliant :).. Did I imply anywhere US is not biggest power :).. I think you are too over-awed by US to realize what was said..
