You say " Our prophet is the most powerful and greatest man that ever existed on the planet. Look how insecure he makes the evil people feel even after 1400 years. SALUTE TO HIM!!!! "
But earlier you said " While we see the terrorists as scum of the universe ".
Question for you - who said " I have been made victorious through terror "?
But you are right - anyone who criticises the Prophet should feel insecure, because so many of his ardent followers will very happily follow his Sunnah (getting his opponents murdered ex. Asma bint Marwan).
RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
Please give me the refernce of the Quran and let us discuss it. And if you fail to support your claim then please leave the hateful religion you follow.
RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
Don't bother about my religion, Mr. Arif. My religion does not tell me that it alone is true, its gods alone are true, others are devil-worshippers and should be conquered on earth and burnt for eternity in hell after death.
You have enough on your plate to not bother about others!
RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
No your religion tells you that you are scums if you worship idols. But have you ever tried to read your own religion. Your religion is not what is written in the book but your religion is based on hate. So people like you are a shame on their own religion.
Don't fall for the quack Dr. Zakir Naik's nonsense. Hinduism is not a religion bound by a single book or a single final prophet whose word is law. Hinduism can accommodate diverse viewpoints without requiring that those holding one viewpoints smite the necks of those holding other viewpoints.
My religion is indeed based on hate - hate of hatred, hate of dogmatic religion which teaches that hating others and terrorising them is what would please the only true god.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:46 PM Permalink
Where does Gita say idol worship is foolish?
Secondly, even if it says so, there is nothing that prevents a Hindu from following his own conscience. Hindus are not bound by absolute belief in any one book, like I said above.
Yes, many kings and emperors have killed millions. But they did not do so to propagate the only true religion - which of course would be the religion they followed. It is only Islam that gives a mandate for aggression for the spread of belief in its own claims. Those who take its teachings seriously, become what others called extremists - when it is these extremists who truly understand what the religion says and implement it.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:25 PM Permalink
Ya right then throw away the Gita that says that idol worship is foolish. Ashoka slaughterd thousands, was there Islam ?
RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 11:18 AM Permalink
What do you have to say to the Prophet-approved murder of Asma bint Marwan, Mr. Arif? Of course she deserved to die, right? How dare anyone criticise the holy prophet!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
Read it up. Shouldn't be too difficult for an intelligent man like you to find it!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
Well you are the one who has accused the prophet the burden of proof lies on the prosecution. Not the accused.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:50 PM Permalink
From Sirat Rasul Allah :
"When the apostle heard what she had said he said, "Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?" `Umayr b. `Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her. In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, "You have helped God and His apostle, O `Umayr!"
RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 11:18 AM Permalink
Now you are giving me a reference from a book that was written not one not two not three but 200 years after the prophet. Hmmm is that all you could manage dude ? Are you ready to leave your religion now ? Or are you willing to give it another try ?
RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:09 PM Permalink
Do you doubt Sahih Bukhari, Mr. Arif? Remember, the two legs of Islam are the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet as recorded in the Hadiths.
Try to go and tell any imam that you think the Sahih Bukhari is not reliable. Then come back and talk!
RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
Are u issuing a fatwa ? hahahah 'do as i say '? Islam is in the Quran you show me the verse. Simple.
RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
You can take that Taqiyya and shove it up urs and you have to give me a verse from the Quran that says that I have to go to a Imam to understand Islam.
Why don't you do this simple thing? Why don't you go to your imam, tell him that you think the Sahih Bukhari is unreliable, give him your reasons, have him accept the claim, and publish it on rediff. Very simple!
But you will not do it, because you know very well that no imam will take kindly to questioning the validity of Bukhari, especially because it is recognised as a collection of Sahih Hadiths! You are likely to meet your Lord should then and there!
You see, Mr. Arif, Taqquiya will not work with me.
RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:12 PM Permalink
Is is written in the Quran that there will be person call bukhari and you should make him your leg ? You are accusing the prophet by somthing that has been written 200 years after him. Is that the best you could do ? I dont need a Imam to teach me Islam. It is not a Asaram babu type religion hahaha. WHERE IS IT WRITTEN IN THE QURAN THAT I AM BOUND TO BUKHARI ?
RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
Islam is also in the Hadiths. How else would you know the 5 pillars of Islam, if not for the Hadiths?
I am willing to accept your argument, provided any imam, learned in Islam, does! The fact is, and you know very well, Muslim scholars accept the Sahih Hadiths as authentic, and disbelieving them is a sign of Kufr! So you will never dare to take your wonderful arguments and argue with your own religious scholars who believe the Hadiths, and use them to brainwash young Muslim minds, teaching them that the Prophet' behaviour was the model that they should try to copy!
RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
You want something from the Quran? Here goes :
Quran 47:4
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Now I know you will come back with " This is only for war time " etc., but Islam is at permanent war with non-Muslims, until they say there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet. Dar-ul-harb has to be converted to Dar-ul-Islam.
Note also, that the war is to be waged with others for no reason other than the unbelief of the infidels. A clear mandate for religious war!
RE:Mr. Arif
by Arif on Aug 05, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
HAHAHAHA you want muslims to throw roses at you during war ? Where is it written that we are at constant war ?
RE:RE:RE:Mr. Arif
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 05, 2008 12:29 PM Permalink
The verse clearly says "when you meet unbelievers in fight". So if Muslims fight each other, should they throw roses at each other?
The fight continues as long as there are unbelievers. If Allah was giving Muslims general instructions on how to fight wars, why mention unbelievers?
The Quran is valid for all time. Its teachings are eternal. Unbelievers have to be fought and subdued, until all worship is for Allah alone.
Quran 8:38-39
Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
