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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
I am not a propgandist Man. This is the antidote for the popular bias that crept into the psyhci of people about Muslims. Dont you think some one should have the right to reply when his religion is called anti-science?after all I am just refering to authroities in the field (just read my references)and not making unsubstantied arguments to support my case
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 02:51 AM Permalink
bala man u make up ..and u give half truths...u claim Arabic translations of Greeks and Indians as Islamic work..wat is islamic shcolarship anyways..if some happens to be Muslim its islamic?/ its like claiming Pele to Newton as glory of Christianity..such narrowmided Islamic bigotry is destroying ur society.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:59 AM Permalink
There is another aspect to the growth of science-that came directly from Muslim religious needs.
This is from Institue of history and science museum -Italy
..In the Islamic world, the study of astronomy was closely linked to religious practices. The faithful had to determine the times of the five prayers prescribed by the Koran. They also had to find the direction of Mecca in whatever region of Islam they happened to be. These calculations could not be performed accurately without applying spherical trigonometry and studying the Ptolemaic celestial model..
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by Bei on Apr 30, 2008 08:14 AM Permalink
There are enough Balaord in Arab world that justifies the folly of the governments in those places that covers every part of their lives. That's why the region is a stinking place in terms of knowledge. God bless them if Oil is not there, what will they do? God is gracious to them! Perhaps they will thank Allah for the same reason. There are many sick people like Balaord there - the level of the intellectuals in those countries. A very sorry state indeed.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
ofcourse not.Even some of the great scientists like RAZI (who is credited for for so many chemical breajthroughs ) is actually a heretic.and there are many example of people lived in Muslim civilizatiosn were non-muslims. But this doesnt take away the fact that islam gave intense incentive to the pursuit of science because the fundamental quranic principle is you can belive in the unity of god only by understanding the nature and its creations.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:41 AM Permalink
The contributiosn have every connection to the world we live in.You are probably mistaken of my intention of refering to these articles.I dont claim exclusivity.I know for a fact that our own India contributed heavily in mathematics-especially the survya siddhanta. Aryabhatta is the first one to show sine is a function of angle,and the Muslim abul wafa is the first one to to tabluate the values for tangent. But today the west is show casing it in the popular science as if it invented all these things.The truth is India as well as Muslims have made a great contribution to humanity. I am for alliance of civilizations not for the clash.It is the idea of people who thrive in hate
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 03:04 AM Permalink
You are partially right.Infact some of the great scientists like RAZI who is credited for for so many chemical breakthrough in Islamic civilization is actually a heretic.and there are many example of people lived in Muslim civilizatiosn were non-muslims. But this doesnt take away the fact that islam gave intense incentive to the pursuit of science because the fundamental quranic principle is you can belive in the unity of god only by understanding the nature and its creations.
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by Bei on Apr 30, 2008 08:10 AM Permalink
So, how many? Razi was yes. But how many. Muslims are worried only about Islam and have no time for modern science. When the religion became the only force, no more scientific discovery nor modern day development takes place in Arab world. Its a pity. Its not the people, it is the form of the governments that are SICK in Arab world.
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by Surya Kanishka on Apr 30, 2008 03:33 AM Permalink
By the way who is this Razi ??? a Lavoiser or a Rutherford ?? why his discoveries have not been mentioned in science books ?? you will claim bias ?? who is Ibm batuta and why is mentioned in the books ?? bias disn't work here ???
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by deepak on Apr 30, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
Ya he doesnt use bad words...like Daniel Pipes indentified 3 types of Islamists who work hand in glove for the Islamofascist cause...the suicide types, and then you have the middle of the road types who are apologists for the suicide types by obfuscating and putting up a religion of peace front..the other type just go along...the second type is Bala..most dangerous - the one you cant fight but wants to create friction n ur society. Everything is from Islam is their point of view...they will claim even a good sportsman for the glory of Islam..just like our Balaord claiming all scholarly work as Islamic..wehreas we know that Muslims societies r the dumbest ever.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 02:53 AM Permalink
If you have read my references - you will actually see that it doesnt simply claim Muslims alone did it,It will always point out that islam was the vital bridge of all civilizations. How can I argue only certain people can do certain things when I belive that GOD created every one equal? What the world owes to Islam is the bridge between east (india) and west(greek) and for eliminating the philisophical boundries that obstrcuted the pursuit of science (for example treating celestial bodies as gods and not subjecting them to critical scrutiny) I will not claim any group or ethinicity as dumpbest or the brightest.I have great minds who are hindus,jews (I temporrarily live in US) and christians.
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by balaord on Apr 30, 2008 03:01 AM Permalink
NO you are wrong many intellecutal theft happened and here is the proof from europes highest mathemcatical body- School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews Scotland
It says
...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics.Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks.....
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by Pankaj Mohan on Apr 30, 2008 03:42 AM Permalink
balaord , I'll make it simpler for you. Take Dubai for example, and let me know how tall buildings could they make from the ancient knowledge you spoke about, had it no been the Western corporates conducting their business in that emirate?
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by Pankaj Mohan on Apr 30, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
balaord, give me a simple answer. Why did the West gain from the so-called Arab knowledge that you have quoted in so much detail, and not the Arab world itself?
