Mr.Karunanidhiis not expected to be belligerent because his daughter is a karnataka resident and also because Mr.Karunanidhi's family by itself are immigrants from AP during the times of vijayanagar/nayaks.
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by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Apr 07, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Karunanidhi belongs to the IsaiVellalrar commnity, traditionally they are the musicians in the Hindu temples. This is a pure Tamil caste and not a Tamil cast of Telugu origin like the Naykas or Naidus. Similarly Jayalalitha belongs to the Iyengar community. This is also a pure Tamil caste. Some Iyengare may now speak Kannad oar Telugu as thoer mother tongue due to living in these lands ofr centuries. However even many of them are familiar with Tamil. The Iyengars are one of the few Tamil castes that is exremly proud of their Tamil heritage and take pride in speaking good Tamil. Jayalalitha's ancestral hometown is Sri Rangam in TamilNadu. Just becouse she was born in Karnataka and speaks Kannada does not make her a Kannadiga.
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by sethu madhavan on Apr 07, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
Mr.Kvalar, You are wrong. The castes mentioned by you above have no history before 17th century .A.D. Definitely, they are not connected in any manner to ancient dynasties of TN.Of jayalalitha we know they are related to Mysore royal wodeyars. The temple musicians of TN belonged to caste of odhuvars and maarars which still persis ts in some manner in kerala state. Pls be read what you write or you will end up in trouble.
RE:Karunanidhi's oppurtunism!
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Apr 07, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
Jayalaitha identifies her self as an Iyengar, If she is an Iyengar she is a Tamilian. I personally do not har paternity May be her mother or Jayalalitha. So I cannot comment. However I still stand by what I previously stated Iyengars are Tamils and if Jayalalitha states that she is an Iyengar then she is Tamil. Teh work Isai Vellalar was coined recently as they are really not Vellalars in the true sense. they may have been traditionally been know by this name as Othuvars and maarars as in Jaffna they are known by this name and not called as Isai Vellalars. No weven the Pallar call themselves as Deveindra Kula Vellalar in India. This idea of many no Vellalar castes, calling themsleves as some form of Vellalars has become fashionable. What i meant is Karunanidhi does not belong to a Tamil caste of Telugu origin but to an old Tamil caste, It can be called odhuvar aor Isai Vellalar now but they are a Tamil cste and not a Tamil caste of Telugu origin.
RE:Karunanidhi's oppurtunism!
by sethu madhavan on Apr 07, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Kavalar, I have written so much on ancient period. You came to know that the singers were called maarars after i wrote the same. They assisted during yaagams and sribalis. The caste of iyengars is a derivative of word "ayyangaru" in telugu. It became popular during vijayanagar period. vaishnava brahmins of south were called nambis in previous period. By the time of vijayanagar they had become a very small minority. Nowadays they are not even 0.1% of the brahmins.Be advised that there was no regionalism and chauvinism before vijayanagar period in TN.The caste names you have quoted are hypothetical and does not have continuous history.should a partisan oulook and duplicity and oppurtunism spiral into voilence be assured that a nuclear attack and mass genocide is imminent.
RE:Karunanidhi's oppurtunism!
by ashok shetty on Apr 07, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
You are accepted fact that Rajnikant, Murali and some more Kannada born actors supported anti Karanataka stand in chennai are not Tamilians.
RE:Karunanidhi's oppurtunism!
by randy on Apr 07, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
If Rajni has not supported this time his next film will face the same fate of BABA . he knows it well people of TN will not forgive him if he had done it again
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by sethu madhavan on Apr 08, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
so what even if he supports the TN cause? It is strictly not permissible to take his help and support for anything and will not consider the same.He hails from a community that has been enemy to ancient tamil kings historically.
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by sethu madhavan on Apr 07, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
Yes Rajnikanth is a kannada man.But nobody is bothered about what he says because we know he is an oppurtunist.
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by Manjunath Srikantiah on Apr 07, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
Ramanujacharya was shunted out of Tamil Nadu by the Shivites.He lived in the Hoysala kingdom.He converted many people during his stay(including the Jain King Bittideva to Vaishavism,after conversion,the king was known as Vishnuvardhana(the same king who has built the belur and halebid temples)).Ramanujacharya converted many others and they were the Iyengar's of the karnataka origin.Infact many of the Iyengar's of Karnataka have their origin in Karnataka rather than Tamil Nadu.There may be some people who migrated to Karnataka(including the one's who moved to the old mysore area during the anti brahmin movements of DMK during 60's/70s),but the majority of the iyengars living in the Hassan belt are of Karnataka origin and some of them in the Mandya region were again converted to Vaishnavism by Ramanujacharya when he was in that region.Melukote is a place where you can find many iyengars,where again Ramanujacharya's influence can be seen. To say that iyengar's belong only to Tamil Nadu is wrong.
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by sethu madhavan on Apr 07, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
Yes.Ramanujacharya's parents migrated from AP. He was a telgu speaker.Those days entire peninsular India and srilanka was under cholas. He was driven out because he was preaching non-sense(like asking to give up worshipping lord sivan) and also attempting subversion against mighty chola empire.
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by Edwin Navaratnam on Apr 08, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
The Hebbar Iyengars speak a dialect of Tamil called Hebbar Tamil. This is amixture of Kannada Archaic Tamil and a little bit of Sanskrit. However they are fluent in Kannadaus this as medium to commnicate in public. There are many theories regarding their origin. On eis they are decended form converted Jains of Karnataka. The other that they are local Kanndigas introdused to Vaishnavaite philosophy by Ramanuja. The last is that they descendants of Ramamujans disciples form Tamil Nadu. They us boththe lunar and solar calendars to clebrate various festivals. THey use the solar calendar to clebrate certain festivals eg Nrushima Jyanti. This traditions coincides with the tradition of Srirangam temple Thi ssupports the argument that these people beig direct descendants of Ramanuja's disciples. If they were of Kannadiga descent then why do they speak this dialect of Tamil. instead of pure Kannada.
RE:Karunanidhi's oppurtunism!
by sethu madhavan on Apr 08, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
we will not accept that such people are virtuous.An evil man can have any identity.
