RE:RE:Rama's father by skumar on Sep 20, 2007 12:54 PM Miracle and science
If a miracle can scientifically be proved then everybody will accept the fact. But, if it is based on someone'a imigination then it will be difficult for rational people to accept it. 'Ramayana' can be at the best considered as a good science fiction combined with geographical knowledge and social condtion of that era. But if we have believe in Rama's exsitance then we have to believe in so many things which is not possible scientifically. Just try to calculate how much force is required to lift 'Gandhamadan' mountain and then jump with it to cover a large distance. Being educated in science does't mean that someone is rational in thinking, otherwise we would not have astrology in TV,internet and print media.
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by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
skumar, there are so many phenomenon and happennings that have and continue to perplex and confound the "atheist scientist". There are many documentaries to show things beyond logic happens... which are purely due to the force of the mind... Eating and drinking is an animal trait, thinking and querying is human, to realise and progress spiritually (by experiencing) is yogic...
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by Cape Comorin on Sep 20, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
I know what you meant by 'intellect': believing in anything in the name of religion. Read about arya samaj and brahma samaj you will get some wisdom.
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by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
What are the vedic books you have read to comment on it?
More importantly, how have you read it ie., as a genuine seeker of truth or as one finding ways to defy it?
The history and translations you see are all biased; to obtain an unbiased view, please read them yourselves in its original script, and then relate.
The history you read, the interpretations that you infer are all from western educated/atheist/pseudo secular minds...
Our Vedas and Shastras have an abundance of science and knowledge; we have failed to uncover them by bowing down under the british.... we have become debauched slaves thus ignoring our glorious science... and what we have now is but a bickering state of affairs... each with his own perception of history...
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by Cape Comorin on Sep 20, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
I referred arya samaj and brahma samaj because they have refined hinduism to some extent especially idol worship.
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by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
The arya samaj and brahma samaj refer to a particular custom and not the whole gambit of the vedic culture... and hence cannot be accepted as a clause for discussion in this topic...
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by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
Also, if you get an answer to your questions you should make a genuine attempt to understand the rationale behind it...
It is not some childish fantasy that all the educated masses, I repeat - the educated masses who have contributed to our Nation's progress, believe... to be so easily given up...
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by Cape Comorin on Sep 20, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
You are only talking something is there in vedas. But you never revealed what is there? Why should I read vedas is original form which is in sanskrit? Why you could not give a reliable source where I can read vedas? I am interested in learning vedas. I asked my hindu friends about it. Nobody knows anything about vedas except their names.
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by Seshadri on Sep 20, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
The reason I ask you to read it in Sanskrit is that interpretations are biased. Just as you learn english, learn Sanskrit, learn it to improve your understanding of the great books.
I have a non-brahmin friend who knows better sanskrit than me... He is also widely read... The gist of these vedas must be experienced, they are DEFINETELY NOT something which can be a textbook copy...
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by gundapantula ravi shankar on Sep 20, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
skumar science cannot prove everything ;like can you prove the presence of 'AIR';its only by feel you say air is around but can you prove it by showing if i have to believe.If not why the exception.what engines dothe birds have to fly like aeroplanes ?what is the force of displacement involved to fly,like a mechanical engine.This same force ,we refer to as the power of God.And Lord Rama is a divine force personified.If you limit your sphere of understanding and try to counter-argue then there is no answer.And particularly ,with the ancient scriptures ,you dont find the present systems of questioning,reasoning,proof and inference .As all the scriptures were stored in the form of'taalla patras',which doesnt remain for centuries ,many important and reasons for all your problems which have been mentioned are lost in due course of times.And that too very little scriptures on HINDU culture are available. And for your small mind skumar, I think such a great 'EPIC' looks like a science fiction which really hurts me as you couldnt differentiate between a science fiction and a respectable book with so many human values ,etiquettes and morals which everybody should imbibe for a rational way of life.
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by Cape Comorin on Sep 20, 2007 01:03 PM Permalink
When people are addicted to myths and superstitions you cannot expect their commonsense works.
