Modi should be Given Nobel Prize..He has promoted & Instigated peace in India.He is the Symbol of peace & development while Standing on the Corpses of innocent peoples.. Vote for Modi & maKe him PM. It will bring More Glory to our Nation..
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 01:24 PM Permalink
Brother Ismail, I will not give you the proof of being Muslim due to the following reasons. 1. You have no buseness to ask for the proof 2. Quran is available on hundreds of websites on the internet & any muslim/non-muslim can easily produce this proof in no time. In other words, knowing the first word of Quran can never be a proof of being Muslim. Instead of asking for the proof for myself being a muslim, I would have appreciated if you had challanged my understanding about the Islam. This would make sense as it would open the door for a constructive debate. I can show you many muslims brothers who are reading Quran since childhood but if you check their understanding, you will find nothing. On the contrary, there are some non-muslim brothers like JGN who have studied it thoroughly. I salute JGN for his deep study of Quran eventhough he is non-muslim & we should encourage such people who are studying our great religion. You may not agree with their opinion but you must respect their study. Again I would like to request you to write in your own words instead of doing copy-paste of readily available data from any website. But this requires lot od study as you will have to first read it & then will have to think by using your own brain which the alimighty has given to you. Again I want to mention here that I am a Muslim by birth & I have great faith in Allah , the almighty, the creator. But I don't want to shape my faith in Allah as per dectated by anybody else.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, we can only wake up a sleeping person, but not one who pretends to be asleep. Persons like Mr. Ismail Sayyed and Mr. Gladiator are pretending that they do not understand the deviousness of The Prophet (Mohammed).
They are happy following what has been told by The Prophet for the inhabitants of Arabia in the 7th century and refuse to see the progress made by mankind (with the help of science and technology)! According to people like them, there is no need to look beyond The Koran for all the problems around us.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
Dear JGN Ismail is doing a disservice to muslims by promoting false belief of islam. Although prophet Mo qualified to get paradise by his jihadi activities and cutting many infidel heads later in Madina, he did not have his head cut by an infidel and thus could not achieve "shahadat". His head was intact on his shoulders until the end and was safely resting on the thighs of his gorgeous teenage wife Ayesha when he died. Prophet Mo is Still Waiting For His Houris Actually the odds of that happening were high since Ayesha's thighs were often the resting place for his head even when she was menstruating.. Bukhari ;Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296: Narrated 'Aisha: "The Prophet used to recite Qur'an with his head on my lap while I was in menses".
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
& U writing such things & U claim yourself to be Muslim.can any muslim for that matter any person can say such vulgar things about his own religion.You people say u r athiest. since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist. SABKO SANMATI DE BHAGWAN.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 17, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Since you have repeatedly made allegations against me as Hindu fanatic, I am forced to write this. I would like to inform that I am Muslim by birth. But as I grew up & started to study about the religion more, I used to find lot of non-sense things which can not be there if it was dictated by the almighty. The biggest problem with our religion is nobody can ask questions or doubts. If you do so, the conservative people like Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor are there to label us as Hindu fanatic. These are the people who are real enemies of our religion though they pretend that they are protecting the religion. As I have repeatedly mentioned before, the need of the hour is the reforms from the old concepts. Unless this happens, we will not be able to keep our pace with time & will become obsolete even before we realise it. Evolution is the universal law of nature & it applies to religion as well. Rational criticism should be welcome by all & I would like to make a open appeal to Ismail / Gladiator / Contractor to study more about the religion. I appreciate the efforts by JGN, Imran & Salaman as they have put the criticism in bold but decent words. It shows there depth of knowledge & understanding.
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by Billy on Oct 16, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Imran... Your sarcasm is quiet an indication that you are not a Muslim to begin with. I prefer you do not quote a Hadith or any relevant material unless you truly understand the meaning and the context of each verse from Quran and the Meaning of each ahadith. I can certainly help if you need any counselling. As a Muslim I respect every religion and that is what my Quran says... 109.006 PICKTHAL: Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. Also read about what Ismail said on the very first post of this trail going on.
Note: Ismail, sometimes there are people who claims themselves to be scholars. I hope they understand the meaning of their words.
'Apna Imaan woh Jaanay, mein apna imaan kyon kharab karoon...' Take it easy!!!
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
Dear BK, >>>>>>unless you truly understand the meaning and the context of each verse from Quran........ so the Quran is prone to mis-intrepretation and the context and meaning thereof can be twisted to suit the circumstances. The Prophet himself changed the verses from time to time to suit his convenience. I think his wife Aisha was well aware of this and on one occassion she had retorted to the Prophet that "The Allah is very eager to fulfil all your wishes"
So every thing has to be interpreted/understood in time and space. The Prophet's teachings were meant for the inhabitants of 7th Century Arabia. The same cannot be applied in toto in 21st century India or even Arabia
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by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
How much of hatred and venom can you pack in that little head of yours, JGN. You are amazing.
Why u r giving religious colour to the matter. Criticism should be objective,but your criticism seem to be of Racist nature.. Your Biased remarks are not in the interest of nations. It is only meant to demoralised the whole nations.. since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
Ismail JGN has a big brain and can accomodate many things but the sad part is allah has given u a very small brain no wonder u lack intelligence
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
I am Surprised that HINDU FANATICS like "IMRAN" alias "MOHAMMED QURAISHI" are keeping Muslim Names ??? Even after so much hatred for Islam they are happy to keep the Muslim Names...
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, though I am an irreligious person, I dont like insulting The Prophet (Mohammed)or any gods of other religions. We have to give due respect to the sentiments of the believers.
To me it seems that The Prophet was a good person.There is a possibility that his disciples exaggerated a lot about him after his death for achieving their narrow agenda (establishing an Islamic kingdom).
Ismal is Arab Imperialism. Indian and Pakistani muslims are not considered as equals by the Arabs.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, we are enemies of Islam or muslims. I have a large number of muslim friends and I visit some of them quite often. For most of them, their religiosity is limited to going to the Mosque on Fridays and observing fast during Ramzan. They never preach about the superiority of their religion. Not only Islam but all religions are hoaxes.
We are only against irrationalism. Since you are spending a lot of time on the internet, please download a copy of The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks available freely at www.gutenberg.org and read the same. It will defnitely enrich your knowledge.
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
No enemy of Islam wants to know about Islam and Muslims, because they very well know that it is a simple and practical religion and also the religion of puritans, they see in everything whether it is HARAAM or HALAAL and muslims accept only HALAAL.
If enemies of Islam understood the Islam in their deep sense, then how can they survive without indulging in THEIR FAVOURITE ACTS?
Impossible Task. Please help them to live on as they live now. LET THEM HEAP TRUCK LOADS OF RUBBISH on MUSLIMS,ISLAM, MOHAMMED and ALLAH. They cannot succeed in their evil designs.
BECAUSE GOD IS ALWAYS GREAT. LET US PRAY ALMIGHTY GOD TO CLEANSE THEIR DIRTY MINDS, EVEN THAT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME. TRUTH ALWAYS TRIUMPS.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
See I am not attacking individual relegion. But all I am saying is everybody thinks that his way to GOD is correct. Its like a BIG JIGSAW played by a small child. The smarted find the way fast, others will be ina riddle for long time. The riddle is their improper faith
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 16, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
Our Prophet died 1400 years Back. I know some people loves to Hate others. JGN & You cannot be changed. When you will die,you know what will happen to your Body.your people will burn you with the woods creating more pollutions in the air. And your Head which is full of Hatred & dirts will blow up like a Crackers. Then only your Hatred will vanish..
RE:RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, I have already answered your question. There are better methods now available than burning with woods. The modern crematoriums use electricity and natural gas. Burying dead bodies are more harmful to the nature. It will create ground water pollution!
Anyway disposing the body is the responsibility of those still alive. We are not unduly bothered about what will happen to our body once we are gone.
RE:Modi is a Saint!!
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
Hahahha ur comments are like a small child no wonder muslims never grow up they still belive in houris and jannat. Evryone dies Ismail and we were all dead before we were born and I never felt any pain when I was dead
