Don't get fooled by articals like these..And America is only in need of your money and not your brains... 1. Indian education system is the best 2. Don't spend your money to study in usa. 3. Study in US only if your education is fully sponered by them and you get some salary 4. No country is sending sudents here so only they are after indians. 5. Immigration system is so worst that you will waste all your youth for them without getting GC. 6. India is offering bright future now .. 7. You can be close to your parents and friends..
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by yadav on Mar 26, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
seems ur in US, then why the hell are u living here, why dont u go to India and live there. U hypocrite, u work here and earn American dollars and criticize it, U r a thankless guy.
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by Rapid Snail on Mar 26, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
Don't know how to spell "article"(artical??), but wise enough comment on the problems of American education, eh?
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by blue wrox on Mar 26, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
"Don't know how to spell "article"(artical??), but wise enough comment on the problems of American education, eh?"
Eh ameriki dude.Learn grammer first before rediculing others.
RE:Dear Friends...
by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
After reading the comments from Mr.Uma Shankar (below), I felt really dissapointed. I mean people are giving the message to the youth to migrate!!!! He states that this thing should be inculcated at a very young age. Wow! Good to hear your point of view. Sometimes when we look around in our country and see so many people scrambling for materialistic gains, ready to board the first flight abroad at any given chance, one's belief in the whole concept of "We" is shaken. But then you read comments from people like you and then I realize that not everybody is on the same boat. Inspite of the escapist nature of our people, there are right things that are happening to this country. Good on you!
Those who want to get better in life, will eventually move to any part of this world and they have the right to do so as long as you are qualified, skilled and passionate to do so.
People don't always go to make BILLIONS abroad. There are several reasons.
In a globalized world, Indians working abroad will benefit India. Don't mistake me. I will promise you this the case.
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by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
Haha... Vi Si, you are really, really funny. You say Indian Education system is the best and spell article as artical. They you say Immigration system is so worst... (I mean, these are not typos.) Clearly the Indian education system didnt help you too much, or perhaps you didnt really finish your education, oh oracle of all things American.
RE:Dear Friends...
by hello on Mar 26, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
I know people get scholarship, internships & can study in US a quality education at much cheaper price. Of course, they have to do some work too while studying & pay for expenses. But when you study in USA, when you see the money spend, it will be negligible when compared to the quality of study!!!
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by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
hey all,
usually i dont post anything in rediff as most of the articles and comments are bullshit. but as I am currently in US, so I would like to comment on this article: First of all on vi si: I totally support the comments made by him, in US education is the third bigest industry and there clients are people from India and china and the delgations that come to india to get bright students are just the Sales people of the universities whose products are not doing well in market, so BEWARE OF THEM. On Rapid Snail: These delegates are actually looking for peoples like you who have the brains of dinosours, people who concentrate on typos more than the real message,who just think that US is the land of dreams and can come to US and all there problems will be solved, but dude ur up for a big surprise. Yadav: its better u guys come come to US as thats the only way india can develop and US can go down and try to get some reservation here as well for Hello: the point is the university that gives high quality education are pretty less in US and to get in there you must be a pass out from IITs forget about funding. Most of the people study in other universities which are some how affiliated to these big universities but they dont have money to support the students. In the End: If u r good enough u can get in IISc or IITs or IIMs and these institutes provides you much better education as compared to Most of US institutes(Except MIT, CMU and IV league coll), I came to US because I was not good enough to make to these institutes. India is shining help it to shine more .
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by Anil Kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
I liked the collective reply from your side given in a very decent tone. Myself a IITB Masters currently in Singapore for higher studies on Scholarship wish to come back after the education is over to contribute at my level. India has really very good quality education institutes which are not even matched by many foreign Universities and institutes. Guys have faith in ourself. We are recognized and respected because of our education. Have faith in it. Help in making it better our country a better place. It is gaining the right momentum, lets us make it a sustained one with our collective efforts.
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by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
Abhi Sri, I dont agree with what you said at the end, that IITs are better than MIT,CMU and Ivy league schools alone (I assume you mean MS/PhD and not undergrad). I can list a load of state funded schools in the US which are better than IISc and IIT... here's a short list: UC Berkeley, UCLA, Univ of Texas, Austin, Georgia Tech, Univ of Illinois, Urbana Champaign, U of Michican Ann-arbor etc. Some schools that are private and not Ivy league: Stanford, CalTech, USC (good for PhD).
I would say, IISc is the best India has, and is comparable to a good school in the US. IITs, nowhere in the same league as the list you and I mentioned for MS/PhD. The main thing for research is $$$$, to attract students and faculty, as well as set up facilities, and that is lacking. It is also true that it is easier to get into a foreign school than it is to get into IISc. And for that, I blame the system. As always, India judges people on what they know, while the americans judge people on what they are capable of. In other words, Indian sarkari institutions judge people based on the ability to take exams, while the americans consider other stuff as well (a bare minimum GPA, and then other stuff). I think the system needs reform. If you dont believe me, ask anyone in the IIT undergrad about what they think of their own school's MS and PhD program, and about the students in them.
There's this joke I read about a guy being interviewed and he said "I've graduated from the top 25% in all my exams, and I've always done well academically. I dont know if it's the economy or just me, but there doesnt seem to be a market for someone who is an expert at taking exams".
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by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
Agreed Maximus. How may Nobel prize winner have done their work at the IIT campus? How much fundamental research goes on there. Forget that - how many problems which plague India have been solved in its labs? Agreed IIT Btechs are good, we respect that. But saying IIT is better than MIT, CMU, UC Berkley is a joke... IITs just provide the body count for universities like this. And many other students from around the world come to these institutions. Nobody but Indians do their real research or PhDs in IIT.
RE:Dear Friends...
by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
Dude first of all i never said that IITs are better than MIT,CMU and Ivy league schools,nd the list of colleges that u have listed after that I agree with that list but can u site meone person who is not from IIT (Btech) got any of these colleges leave USC alone as its more about money in USC(I have done BS from a stupid coll and still got in USC just that I have to pay 50 laks as the fees). Mr Rax Raja: A question : R u in india or r u in US because if you are in US u might be aware of the technology trend in US and the fact that it is more inclined towards India. India now has biggest Micro Soft research center and the reason being , post 2000 the people from IITs coming to US dropped significantly as they were able to find good jobs in india, so in order to trap the cr3eame of inida who is still in india MS opened there research center in india, and this trend is followed by google, cicso , juniper, lucent ,goldman sachs, etc etc. As the creame of india is in india only and they r provided with the equipment the time is ripe for india to hit the bull eye that is NOBLE PRIZE. Now the research facility is there and we always had the brains and take my words on that , students coming from only 5% of the people coming from here are in search of knowledge nd rest 95% are coming here thinking that life in US is a cake ready to be eaten but believe me friends u need o cook the cake and its much easier to cook the cake in INDIA.
RE:Dear Friends...
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 27, 2007 08:21 AM Permalink
Well, It is hard to get into the schools that I mentioned, but not impossible (Yours truly is case in point - not from NIT either, from univ of Bombay). Many of my friends have got into big schools (not counting USC, because as you said, masters is a money making business for them).
Anyway, I met a guy who did MS from IISc and was hired for google research, but not in India, but US. The India center doesnt do core research, is what he told me. I understand it is similar in M$. In any case, what research does M$ do... they just copy Apple for most part.
IITians have reduced going to the US, yes. Because many of them went to the US for the $$. Many of them now do MBA in IIM to do that. Their brand equity makes them demi-gods in India, so it is to their advantage to be here, versus the US, where people know about them, but not elevated to the status of MIT or harvard. Only those really interested in research (PhD) or core engineering come to the US.
So, no... There's no real research happening in India. Only implementation/development. Intel does some of its research in Haifa, Israel but otherwise a lot of their research is in the US. Similar situation for IBM (Hardware and software, not sure of services), AMD, etc. There's a lot of hype but little substance in what comes out of these labs. Google was complaining not too long ago that it was having a hard time recruiting people in India for their standard programming positions due to a lack of talent.
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by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
microsoft or google isnt doing any fundamental research in India. They also have centres in china, europe etc. I was not talking about mere software jobs and outsourcing. That is bound to happen due to cost arbitrage and here India with its low standard of living and teeming population will always have an advantage. I was talking about research and development. The kind which wins Nobel prizes and makes breakthroughs which improve our lives. Like MIT AI/multimedia labs. Not doing some small VJ platform development based on specs written in Redmond. To answer your question, I am in a happy situation - I am both in India and the US :) And dude, no Nobel prize will come out of India in the foreseeable future (I dont mean an Indian getting one after she/he has migrated to the US). It is like wishing that India will get more gold medals than US or China in the Olympic Games. Cant see it happening just by blind posturing...
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by abhi sri on Mar 26, 2007 11:20 PM Permalink
I agree it cant be seen in near future , but let me tell u that if you are talking about the fundamental research the MS is doing only core kernel level research in india, TIFR in bombay has a third rank in the world for Fundamental research and in civil and chemical fields the IIT khafraghpur is 10 in the world and as far as IISC is concerned i am sure u know what IISC is.
RE:Dear Friends...
by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
My man, I know what M$ is doing in India. Like I said doing visual J development is not 'core work'. Neither is adding features to vista. Nor is developing some tools for use in microsoft. And I dont really think you understand what I mean by fundamental research... Just giving some numbers dont mean anything. What real work has come out of any of the institutes you have mentioned. What real breakthrough has happened at these places - how many product companies have these places spun off. Very few - and these dont do well commercially or in research. Dont simply reel some rankings which mean nothing...
RE:Dear Friends...
by abhi sri on Mar 27, 2007 12:25 AM Permalink
ya i agree that not much has come out but if v dontbel in our system and the thought process they will never develop. DRDO and ISRO would have never been able to make the SLVs if we would not have supported them. if v support our system then only they can grow, and we will be struck in this circle forever that is no facility->no people->no research-> no facilty we need to brake the chain some where . thats what my point is
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by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
To Abhi: Well said-it's the rejected cases that are first in the queue to jump into the flight! (And no offence meant to you brother). The cream will want to remain in India. Good to hear comments like your's!
