Indian government must wake up...don't be like Indian cricket team...
US government, politicians and all those who deal in nuclear trade want to do business. It has nothing to do any good to INDIA.
Mr.Bush is a not a president but mouth of corporate companies in the US.
Indian government must make the cost of the nuclear deal public.
Why can't we invest in developing the required technology rather waiting for US to gives the know-how? I am sure that the US will not give us the full blue print of the technology. They will have the total control. They need India's support at the world stage now when all is not going very well for Mr.Arrogant American President.
US is praising India as 'the Largest Democracy' in the face of the earth and what not...Don't they know this 25 years ago. Total Crap!!!! I am being polite.
Look at China....Learn one or two good things from them.
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by Rahul on Mar 18, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
Look, everything is business nowadays. Why India cannot rely on America like Japanese and Australians, for example. Why should India spend their hard earned money in defense systems? When Kuwait was under threat, they paid 5billion $ each to China, US, Russia, Brit & France under the "defence pact" arrangement and virtually allowed these countries to shield them from an aggressive enemy. Why dont India eventually go for such an arrangement? Ultimately, it is a business approach for everything nowadays. Let us see world as one.. Never compare China & India. It is like comparing apple to a potato...
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
Americans have never been trustworthy towards anybody but their own ilk..namely their poodle the UK. Trusting americans is the worst mistake we could do. We live in a dangerous neighbourhood with China and Pakistan ganging up against us. Infact, till date it is only Russia that has supported us in every war. Americans are the least trustworthy bunch around!
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by Rahul on Mar 18, 2007 10:19 PM Permalink
Did you give a chance to America to rely on? Who gave you all the food that you required after WW II? An average American is a good human being.. Give a chance and they will prove to be trustworthy. We fail to recognise somebody's strength and we must acknowledge our weakness first. The term "hate" is not a solution to the problems.
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by Confused on Mar 19, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
i agree with Rahul. Americans are not cunning nor malicious.. they actually try to make the world better and not to pose in front of the world that they are stronger... America is slightly misunderstood copuntry.. there are many things about america which you realise only if you have chanve to stay in USA but then that is not the point here.... good night.
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
Thats a weird statement Rahul. Americans mean only business and need us only for their strategic needs. In 1971, these guys sent their naval carrier to Indian ocean to show their support to Pakistan. If they want to be our friends, why are they selling F16s to Pak? Russia never sells hardware to Pak because they value our friendship and our defence partnership. Americans just view us as a market to manipulate and earn dollars. Countries strategies are not based on how good the people are. I myself have been many time to the US and I know the people!Even Pakistanis are not bad people. I mean what does an ordinary Pakistani got against an Indian? But can we say the same about Pakistan?
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by partha sarathy on Mar 18, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
100% true. better not to deal with US with the current political trend, let US change there attitidue.
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
I disagree Kattu. America never entered this war on Terrorism or what you perceive as Islam because of any noble causes. If 3000 people were killed in one go on September 11th in France, even they would have done the same.In the first place, who created the Taliban ,osama bin laden and islamic terrorism? Forgotten your history..It is the same Americans!
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
Frankly, US is the power to be feared more than China. By creating a hysteria over such things that you state, they try to make blocks everywhere. Yesterday the villain was USSR now it is China. And everything you state clearly shows opportunism on the part of Americans and nothing else... Yesterday Taliban was a friend, and today the enemy! This is exactly what I pointed...YOU CANT TRUST THEM! And by the way, Taiwan belongs to China only. Learn your history right. Just because a bunch of nationalists of old China ran away to that island, doesnt take away the fact that it belongs to the Chinese only!
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
Taiwan was formed as such only in the 20th century. So I am not talking some 4000 year old history. China has every right over it, just as it had over Hong Kong.
I agree China and Pak have formed an axis of evil vis a vis India. But as I again said, US is the non trust worthy partner for us. Why the heck would they fight our wars? If it is three fronts, then it is we who will have to face upto it!And this balance of power theory is a bunch of crap. Most strategists agree on this today that, such axis never works... Infact we have replaced US with China as our biggest trading partner. A China that needs our market badly for their products and an India that needs Chinese market badly for exports from here, is less likely to go to war with one another, rather than any axis with US.
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by Neo on Mar 18, 2007 11:56 PM Permalink
Well, Alliances or axis like these have never been used before buddy. Cold war was a stand off & not an active war between a set of countries based on any axis.World war 2 did have an axis of countries, but they were a different time and a different cause for such an axis to get formed. Infact Hitler could have won WW2 had he not opened so many fronts like a jerk. Had he kept his promise to stalin and kept that side of border quiet, he could have bashed the daylights out of our british friends. But Thank god it did not happened. He was a mad dictator.
Simple thing for India is, WE CANNOT EXPECT U.S HELP IF CHINA OR PAK ATTACK US ANY TIME. TODAY, TOMORROW OR ANYTIME IN ETERNITY! As far Pakistan attacking us is concerned, we can take care of those jerks. No big deal. But China can overwhelm us, and US will not risk a nuclear war with China by supporting us. They will make noise in the sidelines. Even in such a situation, I can bet russians will be more helpful to us. Because they share a border with China too, and even they have differences over it with the chinks.
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by Kutta on Mar 19, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
Well to be honest Russia wont come either. Russia has burgoning ties with China as well and their economy is not like America's 12.5 trillion behomoth to support a war.
Only America can fight wars with nearly no effect on their economic. It still grows at a respectable 3.5% which is a lot for an advanced country.
Besides I MADE IT CLEAR I am NOT advocating an alliance.
No one will use nukes until a fool proof defenses are developed.
Wars between China and India or USA will be fought by air forces and navy with conventional weapons.
Why do you think China and also USA invests heavily in conventional weapons ? Cuz they are likely to be used.
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by Neo on Mar 19, 2007 12:28 AM Permalink
Forget it buddy. U.S help will never come.
I only said, we could expect more from russia. No one will fight others war buddy. We have to fight and win all our wars!So US axis or Russia China India axis is all utopian. Wont work!
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by Kutta on Mar 18, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
You are forgetting services exports. True merchandize exports might be bigger than China but sercives exports including IT exports of $35 billion are majority to the US.
And this sector of the economy is what is powering the entire current of high economic growth in India with highest paying jobs for educated Indians who would otherwise run abroad. these people buy cars and high end products fuelling overall economy.
I am NOT advocating alliance with the USA.
ALL I wanted was to rebutt ur fact that USA is not a reliable partner.
Japan, Germany, whole western Europe, Eastern europe even ex USSR countries like Poland, Australia, Saudi Arabia, UK , all swear by US defence and nuclear umbrella even if they have their own nuclear weapons with UK having 500 nuclear warheads. Why is it so that US commands 75% of the world's raw military power. Obviously these countries trust them.
I am NOT supporting India do the same only suggeesting we should be vary of China.
Taiwan was made up of peple who dont believe in communism, and they lost war with MAO's army and retreated to an island. US supported a weak country otherwise Chinese would have gulped them long time back like Tibet. Tibet was gulped by China and it was difficult for US to save due to logistical difficulties with an unfriendly pro USSR India in the south.
All I am saying is US and India can achieve a lot by mutual defence cooperation.
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by Kutta on Mar 18, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
You dont understand cold war politics.
It was USA versus USSR.
Talibans, Osama, and Pakistans all were on USA's block.
It was communism versus capitalism.
Cold was is over.
Why do you think Japan, Australia, Western Europe and even Eastern Europe are now under US nuclear umbrella.
They are preparing against threat from Russia or China.
If such strengh is not shown China will gulp small parking lot size countries like Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam etc.
Thanks to 9000 plus US nuclear warheads and 90 bases worldwide, it is all a balance of power.
In cold war era India always voted against US in the UN and was essentially a client state of USSR as well as military buyer and ally despite non alignmenet bullcrap.
Fast forward 2007 - Indo US trade, economic, social ties are booming.
