India is ruled by bureaucrats..believe it or not! The netas come and go. They are parasites...but the ultimate are the bureaucrats. RAW & IB all are run by bureaucrats in the typical risk-free style (blaming others)for everything. The Army at the senior level has become exactly like that. Juniors are (by God's grace) still patriotic and self-less. But the days are not far when they start realizing that no one (not the Netas, not the Bureaucrats, not the Senior Army Officials...and least of all the common citizens) is bothered for solving problems. We want to be safe---only personally-- I cannot write details because it is depressing knowing how much dirt exists in the system. But the bottomline is that we Indians are a bunch of irreverent, selfish, untrustworthy people. IF we just introspect, we may see it clearly that we are the only ones who do not have good relations with any of our neighbours. There exists no consistent foreign policy. We have never supported any neighbour in their crisis. Research and you will find that we have had a hand in all the crises in the neighbouring countries..the LTTE was trained by us...and then we send an IPKF. We never supported Russia through its crisis and sided immediately with USA as soon as Russia collapsed. We avoided Iraq (it was the only muslim country to support us on Kashmir) when it saw the bad times. In fact..we never even voiced our opinion. We are a bunch of ungrateful people! We get netas we deserve!
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 28, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
Your views about India,its people,leaders,bureaucrats,army,army officers are so pathetic that it smells of bais.If you are so disillusioned and disgusted about everything Indian,why don't you just leave this country?Its easy to critisize.Try giving positive suggestions to improv the the situation.
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by pSSn hOMMe on Jun 28, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
Dear Pankaj, Never once did I mention anywhere that I am disillusioned or hopeless. I only gave a picture of what things are. I am doing all in my power to make things better and have succeeded too. Have served the country in the Armed forces and am serving to my heart's content in the civil world too. But you see..Truth hurts...and maybe you have reacted this way because somewhere you felt it. BTW, What have you done for the country?
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by JGN on Jun 28, 2007 03:23 PM Permalink
Dear pSSn hOMMe, have you been working in the Armed Forces and now working as a civilian for the benefit of the country or to earn your livlihood? We all hear big talks about sacrifices for the country, etc day in and day out but the fact remains that individuals are basically selfish and every action is a culmination of the same. So please do not try to befool anybody. Consider mr. Pankaj also has contributed to the best of his ability.
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by pSSn hOMMe on Jun 29, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
yes, have served the Army. And to tell you..you are 100% correct when you say that individuals are selfish..they are. Exceptions are there. I can tell you that the truth is hard to digest and thats why the likes of Pankaj live in their own worlds...closing their eyes to the problems around them. Being positive is one thing and being oblivious is another. HAving done a lot of work and still continuing positively, why cant I give you an insight to the filth prevalent in the form of redundant systems & corrupt leaders at all levels? We must know what happens around us.
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by Sanjay Bhakat on Jun 29, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
Dear pSSn hOMMe, I agree to your views and things you have stated, my father, now retired, from Indian Army has fought in 1962, 1965 and 1971. I can only say as of now, please don't try to make these seemingly intelligent people understand that by burying ones head under sand the problems won't vanish, no use u trying to make them understand as they enjoy running away from problems and lending ears to good things of life howsoever adulterated it may be.
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 29, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
why are you taking it personally,Sir?India dosen't have dirth of advisors.We find them dime a dozan here.And some of them claim to have served the army and are so courageous that they discuss under pseudo names.
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by Soumendra Mookerjee on Jun 29, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Sir I am wating to hear more from you ... Please ... give us some valuable insight into these affairs particularly the corruption which is said to be so rampantly prevalant in the army...
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by Sanjay Bhakat on Jun 29, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
u rossogolla .. why u r so interested to know abt corruption abt Indian Army?? U want to score some marks abt your GK in front of your wife!!! U moron ... or u want to have some sadist pleasure in propagating further as how low our country has got!!! Has anybody from your family ever thought of enlisting in Defence other than eating chop muri and rossogolla and doing useless adda!!! If u don't have something positive or constructive to say, keep ur fingers off from the keyboard.
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by zahid meer on Jun 29, 2007 03:11 AM Permalink
dear pankaj and jgn, fhy cant u people digest the facts presented by mr pssn home. he has given good insight into working of our system which is so much afflicted with corruption dishonesty , treachery and so much. you know why kashmir problem is not over because even these military officers are corrupt who take bribes to release dreaded militants and they also get away with it.we need to know about these issues so that we can do something to prevent it. indeed we are all capable of doing good to our nation and i believe all of us here in this discussion want this to happen thank u and be cool
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by Soumendra Mookerjee on Jun 29, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Politics in India is worse than you can imagine. It has been lurking in India not for just 60 years of our independence but for ore that 150 years. All these confusions and misgivings are culminations of the sins that have been commited not just during the Kargil was or 1971, but long ago. Whatever we have been taught about our struggle for independence, how many of you really believe that they are correct? Or just moulded according to the benifits of a selected few? To know about more authentic history of the facts of our struggle for freedom, try this site http://www.nathuramgodse.com/. Then try to pass your judgement on the current state of affairs. The question is not about who has done what for this country. If that is the question. what can we do as insignificant citizens of this country? How much power can we afford to excercise that have been bestowed to us by the constitution of India in reality? So what we can do the best is what we are already doing now. MUDSLINGING at each other exactly the way our respected leaders do in the public eyes. Forget the current situation. we as a country are surviving on our own for such a long time is a miracle in itself. Be happy with that. But I can tell you onething, looking at the fate of Satyendra Dubey and the family members of our Param Vir Chakra holders, atleast no person with some sanity left in his mind is going to do any sacrifice for this country.
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 28, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
Dear pSSn... 1)You don't have to mention so,your whole script is shouting hoarse that you are sick of this country. 2)If you are serving this country in whatever way,I congratulate you for your efforts. 3)I have reacted to your negative approach,and not because I agree with your observations. 4)What I have done for the country?....is non of your business.
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by pSSn hOMMe on Jun 29, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
You just don't seem to think rationally ..do you? You asked me what I have done for the country..I told you. Very simply..and I asked you the same question. I cannot see anything derogatory or sick in this. You may or may not choose to say. But you choose to get offended buddy. You just can't handle the dire reality , can you? And as far as giving suggestions are concerned ..I dont see any coming from you.
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 28, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Dear pSSn... 1)You don't have to mention so,your whole script is shouting hoarse that you are sick of this country. 2)If you are serving this country in whatever way,I congratulate you for your efforts. 3)I have reacted to your negative approach,and not because I agree with your observations. 4)What I have done for the country?....is non of your business.
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by Sanjay Bhakat on Jun 29, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
Pankaj ... tuh kya pagal yea yera hei? Its eveident except for biting everybody around u ... u have not done much for the country and thats why ur reply was crisp ... what u have done for the country is nobody's business. Well said u creep.
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 30, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
Your language speaks volumes about your level of intellegence and class.I repeat ,what anybody has doen for the country is nobody's business.Thats not a precondition to express your opinion.And if someone thinks that serving the army is the only way to serve the nation,he is living in fools paradise.
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by RightSaid Fred on Jun 29, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
Prashant - Are you in the US or somwhere outside India? I wont be surprised if you are!
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by Manish Kumar on Jun 29, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
dear pssn homme You need to understand a strange paradox in the life of a nation .Succesful Nations are born on idealism but Nations are not made succesful by idealism alone .There are and there will be situations where what you do will be seen as contradictory to the basic philosophy of the nation but still will be the best course of action in the larger interest of the nation .We need to look at all those actions in that light .In fact we are not doing so well because as a nation we are too soft and the "bad" examples that you have quoted are few and far in between . Surely some of these actions caused more dmage than good , but they are still better then no action at all .Complex but true .
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by Pankaj Gadkari on Jun 29, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
I know there are many things, why,most things in this country are not right.We Indians are too accomodative and have too short memory.Worst still,we always tend to find solace by blaming the destiny. All I am trying to say is let's make an effort to set things right beginning at our end.India has seen worst times than this in the past.But we did come out of it.Very simply,if you don't like the present situation,its us who has to make a change.Nothing wrong in critisizing the establishment but please suggest an alternative.Let's shed the thought"Nothing happens here"
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by Sanjay Bhakat on Jun 29, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
u should frist make a begining by telling us one good deed u did for the country and we will follow u SIR other than prophecy and biting around all of us.
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by pSSn hOMMe on Jul 01, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
Thanx Shree! I believe that only if we start accepting a problem as it is, we are taking the first step towards sovling a problem. I spoke of the general state of affairs of our country. I did not want to create a negative atmosphere here. But the truth is almost always bitter. My simple question to all of you here is -- "If you lost your cellphone, how many of you would feel comfortable going to the Police Station to lodge an FIR?" . If you answer this question honestly, you would get the pulse of our administration. Not to talk of going to get your land registered, file a case in courts, getting an ellectricity connection...most of us pay bribes ..get connections at high levels to make calls..and what not..or else ..dhakke khaate rehte hain saalon tak! The same bureaucracy is there in the RAW & IB, what can we expect of them? I know exceptions are there but how many. I would like to hear from all you people to give one example of an honest & sincere public servant, businessman or anyone they know of..one who has been sincere in whatever he/she has done in life till now.I can say for myself. I have always worked for the organizations goals and never for my own self. Have sufferred but have not given up...and will never do. What I request is-if youngsters should take oath to try and not become corrupt as the system but try to change things. To rise to honesty we have to first accept & realize how much have we sunk into corruption.
