Unfortunately folks like Kumar are the ones to occupy positions in government agencies and policy making teams with their reservations. They inturn supplicate their recism and casteism by promoting anti-Hindu propaganda.
This simply proves that reservation is just a tool to promote casteism and unfair treatment to Hindus and Indians.
Reservation should be stopped or made on economic condition basis. Functioning Temples should be open only to clean Hindus.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:17 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human: for your information, I am against the current reservation policy since it doesn't exclude the creamy layer. Also, lot of people reap it for generations without giving a chance to the really poor, which is not fair. The reservation should help the people who are genenuenly poor and who did not get a chance at better life being born in a poor family. The current reservation policy is skewed.
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by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 04:23 AM Permalink
Finally, something we agree on. So why are you complaining against the Tantri? What made you think that he is casteist/racist? This is NOT a caste based issue and you KNOW that. Besides, when was the last time you heard a "lower-caste" person discriminated against Brahmins? When was the last time you heard violence by Brahmins? Why do you state without facts that Brahmins are from Persia? From your panache of writing I believe you are well educated and forward-thinking. Isnt is dangerous to support such baseless theories for India and Indians living world-wide? How can you tell 7% of India's 1 Billion population that they are not Indias?
You and I may not agree on everything. But I think you should be careful with the hate you are spreading. So why dont u write against the Tantri as an individual? Why target Tantris background and history as if you were present there?
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:38 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human: 1) The tantris consistently defend, support and bring the caste issues to limelight thereby weakning India. Isn't it logical that the person who created the caste system put himself at the top of the system. So guess what, who created the system? The tantris! 2) The Tantris repeated discrimination creates pain and suffering for good and honest Indian citizens. 3) The caste system forces people to bond based on caste rather than justice, ethics and morality. This causes these noble values to become orphan child that no one owns up, creating a third world unjust country. 4) The caste system prevents Indians from achieving their true potential which could have made the nation stronger. 5) The caste system spreads hate in people's mind and makes them insensitive to other Indians feeling, similiar to the Tantri and you seeing no wrong in descrimination. 6) The caste system makes India a slave country.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 04:58 AM Permalink
1. Casteism is inherent in any soceity. You cannot remove it. It is impossible. In so called developed nations casteism still prevails. You have the administrative class, working blue-collar class, intelligent class and business class. Therefore it is not the Brahmins who created it. I am quoting this from BG: Chapter 4: "Chatur Varnam Maya Sristam..."
2. Tantri is not making up rules. He is following them. And he says he will obey any rules and he will enforce them.
3. Yes, it is sadly true that casteism defeats the purpose of what it was actually for. Veda Vyasar, the author of Baghavad Gita among other works is actually the son of a fisherwoman who attained Brahman hood. Legend has it that he is Shri Baghavan Krishna himself. 4. Not true. 5. Blame people not the system. The system is picture perfect. 6. Yes. What are you and me and anyone else gonna do about it?
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
"Some families cannot digest the fact that a person who consumes meat can stand in their door step."
You know what we are all made of meat. When we die, we also become dead meat.
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:23 AM Permalink
And if you only hate meat eaters then there are lots of Brahmins who eat meat. For example, ALL brahmins from Bengal! This is definately bigger than someone eating meat.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
It is hard for Brahmins to accept a person physically into our households. I state this from personal experiences.
Just like Islam and Xianity are difference from Hinduism, different communities and families have different traditional practises that they are built into. Some families cannot digest the fact that a person who consumes meat can stand in their door step. They consider that bad-luck and sin.
Is it bad, yes! It is logical and rational, perhaps not!
So the solution is, let us all keep our castes, keep our practices and remain distant friends with mutual respect. What is wrong with that?
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:05 AM Permalink
1. Casteism is inherent in any THIRD world soceity. In developed nations the diffences are as a result of skill, talent and circumstances, In caste system the differences are based on birth without any considerations to skills and talents. 2. Tantri's heard is filled with hate. He is using the so called rules as a tool to practice his hate like a sadist. 3. This is an example of why we shouldn't have caste system 4. Absolutely true, unless you consider society only as your caste-men. Similiar to the Tantri and Lalu Yadav. 5. All forms of discrimination are wrong. 6. To start with stop people practicing hate and castiesm like the Tantri.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:25 AM Permalink
"Functioning Temples should be open only to clean Hindus" - Thank you for proving my point that this case is all about discrimination and caste and religion based hate. Thanks but no thanks for weaking India for your narrow castiest intrests.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 04:31 AM Permalink
What is with you and cleanliness? Instead of repeating hate and discrimination why dont u be specific about what about it that bothers u?
Even Lord Krishna says in Baghavad Gita that one must use discrimination to separate good from evil, clean from unclean etc. So in that context, can you say all discriminations are wrong? When you buy gorceries why dont u pick all the bad tomatoes? Why take a shower before going to work/school? Why bother keeping your apartment/house clean?
Where is discrimination here? This is cleanliness and hygiene dude. There is no hate here.
Christians eat Pigs and Cows. They are impure, so as a head priest, Tantri did the obvious by following the Vedic scriptures.
So, are you saying the Vedas are wrong? Are you saying Hinduism is wrong? Are you saying Hinduism should be dismantled?
Dont u now sound like a commie/leftie? I know of so many freids from so called "low-caste" but excellent devotees. I have fallen in their feet for getting their blessings.
This isnt about hate or caste. This is about what is Dharma and what is aDharma.
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by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
What is with you and cleanliness? Instead of repeating discrimination why dont u be specific about what about it that bothers u?
Even Lord Krishna says in Baghavad Gita that one must use discrimination to separate good from evil, clean from unclean etc. So in that context, can you say all discriminations are wrong? When you buy gorceries why dont u pick all the bad tomatoes? Why take a shower before going to work/school? Why bother keeping your apartment/house clean?
Where is discrimination here? This is cleanliness and hygiene dude. There is no hate here.
Christians eat Cows. They are impure, so as a head priest, Tantri did the obvious by following the Vedic scriptures.
So, are you saying the Vedas are wrong? Are you saying Hinduism is wrong? Are you saying Hinduism should be dismantled? I know of so many friends from so called "low-caste" but excellent devotees. I have fallen in their feet for getting their blessings.
This isnt about caste. This is about what is Dharma and what is aDharma.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:47 AM Permalink
1) The tantris consistently defend, support and bring the caste issues to limelight thereby weakning India. Isn't it logical that the person who created the caste system put himself at the top of the system. So guess what, who created the system? The tantris! 2) The Tantris repeated discrimination creates pain and suffering for good and honest Indian citizens. 3) The caste system forces people to bond based on caste rather than justice, ethics and morality. This causes these noble values to become orphan child that no one owns up, creating a third world unjust country. 4) The caste system prevents Indians from achieving their true potential which could have made the nation stronger. 5) The caste system spreads hate in people's mind and makes them insensitive to other Indians feeling, similiar to the Tantri and you seeing no wrong in descrimination. 6) The caste system makes India a slave country. 7) All kind of discrimination are wrong, no excuses and no exceptions.
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by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
Discrumination is RECEMMENDED in Vedas and Vedanta (Baghavad Gita). One must use his discrimination in making his choices. One must give up sense-gratification and take up spiritual work. Our purpose on this earth is to serve the Lord not to masters of our own domain. It is for this reason, we are born in this prison. When one gives into sense gratification such as meat-eating and sex, then he simply cannot acquire a higher taste for spirituality. This is plain science, let alone sprituality.
Caste system doesnt make India a slave country. It is the people that make India a poor country.
Why dont u do ur part and help India acheieve its true potential. Learned gentlemen such as u and I want material benmefits so we are sitting our a&&es pretty in the US. If u really serious, why not practise what u preach. Forget being a devotee, atleast u can start being a gentleman right?
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
"When one gives into sense gratification such as meat-eating and sex, then he simply cannot acquire a higher taste for spirituality." -- Come one all our Gods are married including Lord Krisha and Lord Rama, they also had children. You are sounding like a Catholic priest now! "Discrumination is RECEMMENDED in Vedas and Vedanta (Baghavad Gita)." -- Anything that supports discrimination is evil, period.
One more reason I hate the caste system is that it has made India a third world country lacking justice and harmony and have forced droves of educated people abroad leaving their sad parents, siblings and relatives back home.
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
Rama, Krishna, Vishu, Shiva -- they are all married with children. Sex is a necessity without which humans will go extinct. If the God's didn't want it they would have made humans self reproducing or atleast made sex very very painful.
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by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 05:19 AM Permalink
You cannot get this knowledge directly. Please go to a spiritual master and ask these questions. Even injecting urself with poison is easy. So why dont try it?
Sex is not bad. Sex outside marriage is bad. Its animal charater to mate, eat, sleep and defend. We are higher than animals (some of us are). So we should learn to discriminate the habits.
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:26 AM Permalink
Go to a 'master' who discrimates based on birth rather than talent, skill and hard work. Thanks but no thanks. I have talked to many 'masters' before but sadly they don't seem to win a logical debate against me :(
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by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 05:19 AM Permalink
Great, we are at the crux of the issue now. Dont question what Lord Ram and Lord Krishna does. They are Gods. They can do whatever they wish. Lord Krishna says those who are jealous of his pasttimes are demons. So dont quesiton what Lord Krishna did...we are all God's property. He can very well do whatever he wished to do.
Caste System is made in the MOST civilized country in the entire World, Hindustan. It is a third world country just now. About 500 years ago we were tjhe most advanced and intelligent soceity in the entire world. Why did u think Muslims and Xians came to Hindustan? Do fry bajji?
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:29 AM Permalink
500 years back the Mughals rules India. Try some other year. They came because we were suckers, had the caste system and were fighting based on caste.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:30 AM Permalink
"Dont question what Lord Ram and Lord Krishna does. They are Gods" See this is the difference between a fanatic and a rational mind. Rational minds question everything. What you are saying regarding no questions asked is Arabian culture and not the Indian culture.
RE:People Like Kumar
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
Through some funny twist of events 'Inadvertently Human's' thinking and mentality have pointed him right back to his intolerant, bigoted and closed minded Arab ancestry. You can take an Arab out of Arabia but you can not take the Arabia out of the Arab.
