1. How a sacred religious book like Quran which claims to be most perfect contain chapter like chapter 8-"Al Anfan"-"Spoils of War"? How can a religious book advocate decalring war on non-believers, taking their wealth and women as booty and distributing among believers? 2. How a religious book can abuse non-believers and incite hatred against them (sEe verse no.8:12-for example).
i can identify u from your questions, but i will not deny an answer for the sake of others.
Banu quraiza conspirated against muslims, incited pagans to raid on makka, while having treaty with Prophrt Mohammad PBUH. the treaty obliged them to not support makkans, but they broke the treaty.
They participated in Battle of trenches along makkan non believers. with ALLAH Help, Makkan had to give up besirging Madina. Once they fled, leaving their ally Banu Quraiza behind, Mohammad PBUH raided banu quraiza, besieged and forced tthem to suurender.
Banu quraiza were allowed to appoint the Judge who shall give the verdict in their case. which conquerer will give this liberty??? They chose Ibn Salam, expecting favour from him...It was Ibn Salam, an ex jew, who Ordered that All War age men shall be killed, because This was the Punishment for Breaching a treaty and Waging war.
I hope this answer should be sufficient to clear any doubt.
RE:Abdul Hameed-Explain
by SHAHRUKH NIZAMI on Jun 09, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
First you must know the meaning of Non-Believers. Its clear that non-believers of god are evil and evil is a destroyer of mankind. so if god says to destroy non-believers in Quran or IN GEETA whats the difference in that. moreover after winning war someone has to take care of women, children and wealth. Quran doesn't say to rape or murder those woman who are left by their non-believer husbands. Quran says give them shelter because they are innocent. GOT IT????
the answer has been given umpteen times ,here in this forum and elsewhere. chances are that u r raising this question merely for raising it, but I will not disappoint u.
Quran came on Prophet PBUH, time to time. These particular verses came at a time when muslims have suffered 13 yrs in makka , migrated twice to abyssinia, and finally to madina, in their quest to live with peace. but enemies followed them in madina, in an attempt to finish muslims. the attacked madina.
muslims till now had been told to observe patience from ALLAH, but these verses came to order them to fight enemies of muslim.
You will argue that muslims were shrewd to wait till they outgrow in number, ...so let me clear muslims could summon 313 odd people...including few adoloscents who insisted to go on war.
Resulting battle of Badr saw muslims as victorious over 1000 enemies.
The verses in question belong to special occasions of war, rather than being a general guideline.. if u want to study kuran, you will have to study wholistically rather than from here and there. and ofcourse a bias less approach is required.
RE:Abdul Hameed-Explain
by abdul hameed on Jun 07, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
abovementioned verse forbids asking questions whose controversy can never be settled, and there will always remain a chance to argue, whatever stand you may take.
Jews and Xtian scholars tried hard to trap muslims in such useless discourse, like one trying to ascertain the number of people of kahaf('cave'), pagans had their own varying number, so quite tactically they probed muslims, unknowingly some muslims also pondered on such questions, who were forbade to do so.
Islam asks believers to observe things and ponder over the system God has created, rather than pursuing purposeless inquisite.
This clarification nullifies your second assumption too. Afterall Quran doesnt ask to kill xtians, non muslims or anybody. becoz it is from ALLAH. and ALLAH never gives an order to do Injustice.
I praise ALLAH that he gave me enlightment to believe Him. If beleiving ALLAH means puppet of Quran, which I disagree, I am proud of it.
RE:RE:Abdul Hameed-Explain
by abdul hameed on Jun 07, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
by the way You and Mr Aiyer never acknowledged my previous 2 answers. Was it sufficient or You want more clarification. Its important before moving to a new question.
RE:Abdul Hameed-Explain
by Anand Iyer on Jun 07, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Rediff deleted one of my questions as abuse. Rediff allows any unjustified criticism against hindus while even paointing out verses in Quran is treated as "abuse".
Your clarifications are not the least bit satisfactory. Putting to death surrendered people is against all norms of humanity. Prophet Muhammad should have overruled Ibn Salam's decision. Would u like America do the same to surrendered muslim soldiers?
Ibn Salam knew what Prophet wanted and decided accordingly. Being with your leader for a bit of time, one can make out his likes and dislikes. That was the acse with Ibn Salam also.
More than justifying all this to me, whats important is u justify to your conscience.
Abiding a peace treaty was regarded highest duty. breaching it was biggest crime.
ibn salam was appointed by jews themselves. His decision was obligatory on Mohammad PBUH too. His verdict was in accordance with torah , jewish sacred book.
I base my ideas on objectivity, rather than bias. I will give up an idea if you can convince me. can you proclaim the same???
