I dont have any keen interest in History, nor I have much knowledge on it. Here is what I think:
1. If he was so cruel, during his reign of 50 yrs he could have wiped out all the non-muslims. 2. Today India has muslims in minority, if this history abt the cruelty is correct, then I dont think India can have muslims in minority. This proves that no force was used. Converting somebody by force does not mean anything, such a muslim is not a muslim at all. 3. For all the discussions that I have seen on such topics, I think what the main target is to somehow convince muslims to convert back to Hinduism?? Seeing all the text messages, this feeling appears.
My Suggestion : How easy is to divide the indian on the name of the religion, India is secular, seems now to be holding good only in books. The main point of our discussion should be how to keep our developement going, trust me things like this will only hinder our development and is not going to take us anywhere. As a true Indian my appeal to all the Indians, open up ur minds and spend time on something constructive. - Mohamed Soeb Dhunvavwala
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
Please include Porkistan & Beggardesh in your estimate! Secondly in undivided Punjab it was 65% Muslim and 35% Hindu/Sikh. Thirdly this is the most ridiculous argument to show that he didn't forcibly convert Hindus and Sikhs to Islam. He was very cruel and did everything in his power to destroy temples and forcibly convert Hindus, it's just that there were limits to his power. You must also remember that in the urban areas (where the administrations writ and reach was complete they were close to 100% successful, modern day muslim clusterings in the cities are testimony to that). It was in the rural areas where the Mughals etc. were not very successful in their Jihad.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
I forgot to add that his zeal for Jihad and his glee at doing Allahs work were recorded in his own court records. Perhaps you forgot to read this in the article.
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by sara on Mar 06, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
are you really secular india? you are intolerant towards islam? okay, if aurangazeb was cruel for destroying hindu temples, were not hindus and peshwas equally cruel for killing muslims and torturing dalits?
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by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
Regarding this oft repeated claim that Islam was/is in some way good for the Dalits. Please read Dr. Ambedkar's book "The Partition of India" especially the chapter.
"Muslim Society is even more full of social evils than Hindu Society is"
I'm not making this up, go read and educate yourself. If you think what he says is wrong, please share your insights with us.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 06, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
Secular doesn't mean Hindu bashing or Muslim appeasement or not telling the truth as I see it. Please look up the dictionary for the meaning of the word before you inflict your ignorance on the world.
Sure they were but Aurangzeb was doing his duty as a good Muslim and boasted about it in his court records. While you are at it why don't you add the Jats and Sikhs to you list of people who fought the Muslims. Who invaded India Hindus or Muslims and spread their religion through terror and tried their utmost to destroy the Hindu civilization ?
FYI:
Will Durant in The Story of Civilization: "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within."
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
Sanathana Dharma/Hinduism was not wiped out because of help from Gurus and Yogis - the Saptarishi, Raghavendra Swami, Sant Tukaram etc. The farmaans Aurangzeb issued to destroy temples can be seen by one and all in the museums Gautier mentioned
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Perv Sharma on Mar 06, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Dhunva
Has anybody from you or family been to north india and south India. Before thinking atleast see around yourself. The main difference is in the temples. Not a single ancient temple seems to exist.
Regarding conversion. 95% of Kashmir is converted. North india ended up having sikh gurus who stalled the process and west side you had marathas.
The Hindu rajput kings who were aligned with Akbar now withdrew their support.
What is your view on Gujarat riots. They were horrible isn't for a muslim like you. If horrible not even a single muslim should be alive in Gujarat. Total how many muslims before the riots and how many after.
U don't have knowledge on it. Then before commenting can't you read the edicts issued by Aurangzeb. Either say they are fake or not.
Regarding converting back to hinduism, they are now better as what ever they choose to be. We Hindus just want to live peacefully but now ruthlessness will be met with ruthlessness and that's one reason Gujarat happened.
Hindus have done enough humanity throughout last 1000 years of history and that's why you are still standing in India or maybe Pakistan.
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by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 08:37 AM Permalink
You are a terrorist, justifying Gujarat riots. Dude, killing a single person means killing entire humanity. This act was a barbaric one. You can even read that the fire was not from inside the train at Godhra, but it was a planned thing.
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by Osho on Mar 06, 2007 09:22 AM Permalink
Yes... you are absolutely wrong... I pity your ignorance. Remember, the hindus were the most difficult to convert because of the strong roots of the culture. Even the british tried it for 250 odd years but how many christians do you see except some forceful portuguese pockets? Not all Muslim ruler supported forceful conversions (Akbar for example) but Aurangzeb did support forceful conversions. Fortunately for Indians, Aurangzeb was being resisted by the marathas and a revolution was around the corner...which he was not able to stop. And the Marathas capture half of his empire from Gwalior to Indore and Baroda to Punjab... Just read the Maratha empire article in Wikipedia.com and you will realize. Aurangzeb was the first ruler to apply the Sharia...unlike his ancestors who were primarily behind ruling rather than destroying. Get your facts correct. Just by using the word secular you cannot change the history.
RE:The truth aboutt Aurangzeb
by sunil sirohi on Mar 06, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
mohamed soebji,do you know ur ancestors'lineage or their names, if you had?, do find out and also y ur ancestors converted? xyz.
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by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 08:25 AM Permalink
I agree my ancestors must have been hindus, but what do u mean to prove here? Shall I convert back? Is this what you mean to say?
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by Perv Sharma on Mar 07, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
IT's you who wants to know about forceful conversions. Your family should know better how they were converted.
IF they were forcefully converted to Islam then what will you do. What does your Quran say if someone is forcefully converted ? Do only hindus have give some thinking questions to you muslims. Don't your mullah's teach you all to think or they just prepare brainwashed people.
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by Dhunvavwala Soeb on Mar 07, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
I am a muslim by my own choice, not just because I am a born muslim. I really pity the kind of mentality my fellow Indians have.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma is only trying to help you realise that your fore-fathers were converted by force. In Goa, people are denouncing the Portuguese conquest of Goa (some have re-converted to Hinduism in protest) - remember the uproar when Portugal wanted to celebrate the landing of Vasco de Gama in India, but in Sind, people celebrate the conquest of their land by Arabs - because of constant Islamic brain-washing.
