Francois, its a shame on you.. You are playing devide and rule policy again.. We kicked you guys out and you are coming from another corner.. Dont devide Hindu and Muslims.. I heard Aurangzeb donated Golden Temple land to Sikhs.. And today's young hindu minds are very corrupt.. They are like killers and rapist of Gujarat and call themselves proudly as Hindu..
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by SHUQ on Mar 05, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Well said! Neha Kothari
A bold approach towards nationalism and against europeans which is almost neglected as of today. Instead, our youngsters proudly adapt European and American Culture.
Many youngsters only knows the history written by britishers and preached by RSS. They do not know the history written by their own men. They only believe in hatred.
We are discussing Sikh history with Neha and UR Mullah's History is only correct. Go and ask him when was Aurangzeb born and when was teh golden Temple built.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
Shuq, The RSS doesn't accept history the way the British wrote it, so stop kidding us
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by Secular Indian on Mar 05, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Well then I would like to point you to the history written by Indians, I hope that clarifies things for you.
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by rahim on Mar 05, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
Dear neha We accept and respect you intention to make statement of nation integrity and want to please our muslim brothers.really good.But when you want to please muslim brothers take good examples like Respected APJ Abdul kalam and praise the muslim community. Aurangazeb is a shame to humanity-he has behaved like a devil when he was a ruler.please dont try to please some community by taking wrond examples.
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by rahim on Mar 05, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
well written-Aurangazeb was a devil-people who praise devil we can understand what kind of people they are.
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by Ankit Khanna on Mar 04, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
Are you a historian ?? Can u refute the facts mentioned ?? Some of it is even there is class 10 history text books.
We didn't kick the likes of Francois out, they were British. At least get 1 fact right when u open your mouth !!
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by Mahesh Sampat on Mar 05, 2007 03:15 AM Permalink
You too get u're facts right Mr Ankit. We not only kicked out the british but we also kicked out the Frenchies like Gautier from Pondicherry(now Pudhucherry)long ,long ago. Or did'nt u're RSS bosses teach u these basic history lessons?
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by Secular Indian on Mar 05, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
Ignorance can be fixed.
FYI:
"Jawaharlal Nehru, despite his genuine nationalist sentiments, resolved to keep a window open to the French and offered domicile in India to all those French nationals who wanted to stay here. Thus, at the moment there are over 8,000 French citizens in India enjoying the rare privilege of electing their representative for the democratic institutions in French and having their own cultural and academic institutions in India."
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by Perv Sharma on Mar 05, 2007 08:13 AM Permalink
Well read and well said? You read history only to read but not analyse. A big mistake on teachers teaching History. U kicked out britishers from India. Do you know who kicked the Islamic rulers out of India. Tbe Britishers entry into India only made life easy for Hindus. They again managed to practice their religion without fear. The britishers were here for only the money. The direct impact of British rule in India was on the Ruling class Islamic tyrants who had been treating Hindus like slaves for almost 550 years i.e. till the death of Aurangzeb. Can you name any Mughal emperor worth his salt on Indian soil after that.
But, India continued to face Islamic onslaugh from Afganistan after Aurangzeb's death. But once britishers came over the onslaughts were stopped and allowed hindus to regroup again.
Regarding Kicking out. Well, the britishers only went away because the wealth of India had been shipped away. Now India was only a White Elephant for the Britishers. That's the only reason Britishers left rather then than being kicked out.The brains of Britishers were just too much for either Hindus or Muslims. Muslims could only raid and run. Akbar realised to stay here he had befriend the warriors rajputs of Rajastan and have control over North India for stability.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 05, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
The Mughals actually decided to stay because they realized that it would be easier to simply collect taxes from a country that already had the infrastructure and was otherwise stable. There was no point in coming all the way looting and returning back to (modern day) Uzbekistan. This way they could not only do Allahs work but also get rich at the same time.
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by Golu Gayani on Mar 05, 2007 08:02 AM Permalink
Mr. Sampat it seems you were consulted by Aurangzeb during Golden temple donation and Neha built it for Aurangzeb.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 04, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Where did you hear that the Aurangzeb donated the land for the Golden temple to the Sikhs ? The foundations stone was laid in 1589! More revisionist non-sense from an uneducated Indian.
Aurangzeb killed Guru Tegh Bahadur, regarding Banda Bahadur he was not only tortured and killed by the Mughals but his four year old sons heart was torn out and stuffed into his mouth. What sort of fantasy world are you living in ?
Agreed, Muslims are a revisionist lot since you have proved to all and sundry that the prophet himself was violent, was a bad example and Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Now that you have made them feel guilty of their religion, their very origins, I have a few questions for you.
What makes the HIndu fundamentalists behave like maniacs although they are products of a great world civilisation called Hinduism. When you question the very basis of the origin of Islam and label it as fundamentally violent, you fail to notice anything good about the religion. Your arguments seem to have only one end: To prove to the Muslim that his religion has no place in a modern setup. But you stop at that. You don't suggest an alternative for them. Realistically, do you think your approach adds any value to the debate on reducing Hindu Muslim tensions.
Now, I would like an answer that does not state your opposition to evils of certain Hindu practises, because you have not applied that rationale to Islam and its followers.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Hindu fundamentalists have cropped up only to stop the muslim aggression in India, so strongly supported by the Congress-I
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by Golu Gayani on Mar 05, 2007 08:06 AM Permalink
Unsung Ok if you wnat to challenge Mr Secular then why do not you give and example from history where a new born Muslim kids heart was ripped and put in his fathers mouth and father was killed? Gosh, how much savage this Beast Aurangzeb was.....
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by Secular Indian on Mar 05, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
I just realized that I haven't answered you question regarding the alternatives. I'm in the business of description not prescription. I'm not capable of providing advice along the lines you compel or seek. This is a challenge for Muslims, see the truth and then do "the right thing".
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by darshan b on Mar 05, 2007 08:49 AM Permalink
biggest thing in life would be if you learned to accept things as it is. Now think for yourself.
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by seek the truth on Mar 04, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
if you believe you are right then visit : clikinfo.blogspot.com and see truth for yourself before you call other people names
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by sadiq hussain on Mar 04, 2007 04:40 PM Permalink
well said neha ,"no more divide and rule". Like i said why is this issue raised by a foreigner,well wat does he want,why is he concerned about our history,why is he sympathetic.I have been raising concerns abt this but where is Mr.Francois?Woh tho chinagaari laga ke chala gaya.Reh gaye hum,hindus and muslims, blaming each other.I pity our young minds.God help us all in being united.
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by rahim on Mar 05, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
Please dont blame all muslims for the sake of few muslims. There are good muslims in india like respected APJ Abdul kalam.We are proud to say he is from muslim community. All muslims are not responsible for the actions of Aurangazeb,Dawood ibahim etc etc. we condemn their actions. We are secular muslims who respect our mother land india and fellow indians.
