Hi, I couldn't help but laugh reading most of the posts made here. Don't ask me what religion I belong to coz it's not important. I'm an Indian, that's all that you should know.
Some guys here argued that Islam is pure and true, while someothers agrued that Hinduism is pure and true. I should tell these people that they all are idiots. First of all (pardon me for saying this), no books-(the geetha, the quran or the Bible) are perfect. They all have flaws. We can never be sure whether it was written for us to follow it religiously, or whether it was written as an example how to lead an ideal life. If the latter is true, then that would mean that the almighty (whatever his name maybe), is just an example to learn from (maybe he does not exsist).
I'm not here to argue which religion is true or not, I don't either want to argue whether God exsists or not. All I want to say is that it is my beleif that God is nothing but a big source of energy (Scientifically our bodies are made up of energy, every cell of it). We have the energy within us. In other words, God lives within our bodies, and not up in the skies. By killing humans in the name of religion, we are actually killing tht energy within us.
We live in the 21st century. Are ancestors committed the biggest crime dividing us in different religions. Religion is NOT IMPORTANT, Beleif in the Supreme Energy is.
India is a secular country. It teaches us all to be tolerant. Where else would you find a Muslim President, a Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Denfense Minister. So beleive what you want to, but remember, others have the right to beleive what they want to. We have the right to freedom of beleif.
P.S. If I un-intentionally hurt any one's feelings, I would like to appologise for it.
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by dr munish raizada on Feb 18, 2007 04:59 AM Permalink
Dear proud Indian, I agree with you. But tell me one thing. Moghuls were invaders for us, no respectable Indian would say that Moghuls were a grace on us (they invaded us and ruled over us like Britishers). Should not we treat moghul period as a dark period in our history. On the same ground, why should we have roads and cities named after a person (aurangzeb) who destroyed temples and looted our wealth? So from that angle, what do you feel. The problem here is that the very muslims are trying to justify auranzeb and hindus think otherwise. My opinion is that all indians should treat him as a villain, no matter what our faith be!
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by on Feb 18, 2007 05:25 AM Permalink
Hello Dr. Munish Raizada, I don't know much about Mughal history. I did a search online after reading the above article, and I got contradicting informations. This period existed many centuries ago, and it would be rather difficult (if not impossible) to prove whether he was just or cruel. We will just have to accept that there would be circumstances when we just have to agree with situations that donot coincide with our beleifs. for eg. Many think that Mahatma Gandhi was wrong when he permitted the partition of India. On the other hand, many blame Jinnah for it. It is just a matter of thinking bout the glass as half full or half empty. Wouldn't you agree that we as Indians have many more things to worry about than our cruel and gentle, bloody and clam, history. Shouldn't we be concentrating more on infrastructure and development and eradication of poverty, etc.
Maybe Auranzeb was a cruel leader, maybe he was generous. But nothing can be proved coz we cannot travel in time. None the less, one thing is for sure, that he is a part of Indian history. Sometimes in life we just have to leave some areas untouched.
Just my opinion. Sorry if I sounded harsh. Regards, A Proud Indian
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by V H on Feb 18, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
If you don't know anything what are you doing here. Wasting our energy? Go get drunk and halicunate
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by on Feb 18, 2007 05:50 AM Permalink
Hello V.H., Sure I'll go get drunk. But i fail to understand who made you the king of this forum to decide who should participate and who shouldn't?
Atleast I know how to respect other people's rights. Do you?
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by Shankar Panday on Feb 18, 2007 06:50 AM Permalink
Fighting in the name of God was invented in the Middle East by the so called monotheistic religions..these guys went thru Inquistions & Crusades and Jihads..and still fighting...weird concept of God...Aurangzeb was the greatest example of this messed up concept of God..today thanks to 'great' poets like Iqbal who glorified these bigots the spirit of Aurangzeb lives on in the hearts of bin Laden, Al Zawaria and millions of radicals spread throughout the world right now...they fight abt silly things like cartoons..and Arab feudal wars of long long ago in Muharram....God must be freed from these religions..they hv hijacked God..the spirit of eastern religions must be aggressively spread out. Some day the religions how claim to hv a direct agency of God will be gone...
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by on Feb 18, 2007 05:49 AM Permalink
Hello Indian Muslim, I don't know what the author's intension's were to post this article. Assuming if you were right that this is a Hate article, don't you think in that case he has already won with the number of people fighting over Islam and Hindusim? Instead of fighting over religion, shouldn't we as Indians unite and accept that Aurangeb was a part of our history. And insist that whether he was just or cruel, had nothing to do with his religion. No religion teaches you to kill another human for no reason, and if any does, I refuse to beleive in it.
When I read the above article, I found it pretty interesting as it reflected the writer's view point of our histor. But it soon turned its track from historical to religious.
But you are right, we have enough misunderstandings of our own already and should refuse to comment on such articles that are so controversial. But if only all Indians could understand this, then we would have been the most powerful nation in the world. We'll get there, it's just a matter of time.
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by Srinivas on Feb 18, 2007 05:56 AM Permalink
On, youy are a big IDIOT. You are confused. You simply say all are not perfect. Why do you want to burry the facts and blkind the Justice? Why don't you agree to the authors observations which are true and known by many people.
It is not just past, it is the same past that we have read in our history books incorrectly. Atleast the future generation should be well informed. My friend, if this is a past topic why the hell Indian students are being taught about the past. And the facts about the very past are incorrect. They should be corrected.
Come out of the mask that has been thrust upon us by the foriegn rulers.
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by on Feb 18, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
Hello Srinivas, I'm not saying whether the article is correct or not. I not even once say that Auranzeb was a good man or he was a bad man. My main intention is to make people realise that instead of discussing a historical topic, they are discussing about religion. If anyone wants to discuss about Aurangeb, it should be done without emphasizing that "he did this coz he was a muslim and he did not do this coz he wasnt a hindu". A discussion about history shouldnt involve religion.
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by on Feb 18, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
Srinivas, about your previous reply. If someone links history to religion, then he is an idiot in my opinion. So I dont think I was wrong when I called some people idiots. We are in the 21st century, and we argue what Auranzeb did in the 17th century or 18th century based on some religions that was made (or born, or created) centuries ago.
Way to be civilised. We indeed are in the 21st century???
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 04:43 AM Permalink
it is the same mentality which gifted us for 1000years of slavery and thats your religion "slavery", need not know that by asking you. we are secular minded people and have nothing to do whether "this minister is of that religion". but when you are talking about the present government it is the one which has been ruling india by dividing its people till we lose whatever is left as india. Indian people are uninted by nothing but their common faith and culture. If there is no hinduism there is no india. protecting this great faith is protecting india and this is not possible unless we root out such pseudo-secularist thinking.
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by on Feb 18, 2007 05:54 AM Permalink
Hello ded de, We are the ones who elected this government. If they are dividing us, then we are the ones to be blamed. And if you didnot vote in the elections, then you are to be blamed more than the people who voted.
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 06:07 AM Permalink
i agree with you that in part the blame squarely lies upon the people . but when you mention the election it reflects your ignorance about real indian politics. i was brought up in bengal and you know how futile the vote means there even if you get a chance to caste one. average bangali really hate "Jyoti basu" but his cronies still remain in power.
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by on Feb 18, 2007 06:13 AM Permalink
Hello ded de, I'm with you on this one. I too hate many (basically all) the politicians out there. But this is something we have the power to change in the next elections. I too hate to see my taxes paid thru my hard earned income go into the pockets of the ministers. But that's how it works untill we make an effort to change it.
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by Ramesh P on Feb 18, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
I didn't elect it and I have the right to talk abt it, I never voted for Cong after I got my voting rights. Thanks to your convent education and insensitivty and indifference to things. May be not everyone can be a PROUD INDIAN like you.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 04:55 AM Permalink
Sheer paranoia! Once Again! Who do you face this "threat" to hinduism from? Muslims?? You gotta be kidding!
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 05:21 AM Permalink
its not paranoia but based on facts. history teaches us that it repeats unless we eradicate the cause. tell me what do you think about hindus of kashmir,bangladesh and now even the districts of assom , west bengal where muslim population has overtaken those of hindus. why do you think the same fate doesn't hold true for rest of india. what do you think is the remedy. asking us to close our eyes and wait for the inevitable or learn from history and be cautious and take steps to stop that reoccuring. taking action for hindus doesn't mean anywhere near to jinnahs "direct action" thats islamic action. we dont call for throwing out muslims , or to treat them as subhumans as they do to their minorities . we want indian muslims to be reform ,do away with their bogotry, concepts of international muslim brotherhood ,delink themselves from the international muslim brotherhood and restrict their identiry to "Indian muslim" only.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 05:30 AM Permalink
We dont call for "throwing" out muslims???
Read the posts if you have time and see for yourselves, how many have bayed the muslim blood, after reading this article.
You says delink themseleves from international muslim brotherhood, but you talk of bangladeshi hindus? Nobody will come forward for muslims in any case, we know that.
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 05:44 AM Permalink
i have read those posts baying for muslim blood. but they are the people who either themselves or their parents or grandparents have witnessed things like "great calcutta killing", or have read it from somewhere and have come to conclusion that things cannot be changed unless such extreme and inhuman means. when they get assurance otherwise such feelings will die down.
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
so i am myself a "bangladeshi hindu" ,my parents and grandparents have been witness to the real holocaust. but indian at first. bangladesh and pakistan i consider as part of india. if some arabs get converted to hinduism and persecuted for that i will not be supporting them any more than supporting a prosecuted minority.
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by Ramnarayan R on Feb 18, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
Dear Sir, dont sow seeds of more hatred buddy, colonial europeans rulers have fingered a lot more than aurangzeb in asia ,middleeast and are responsible for death of millions of hindus and muslims and jews and christians all over the world even after being highly educated , supposed to be very advanced in all human fields .. Yes Aurangzeb was a despot and caused a lot of lives, but at the time the whole world was medivial, he atleast formed the strongest army for india . Dont forget there were several hindu generals fighting for him. Wishfull thinking would have been to Shivaji and aurangzeb to join hands and form a all powerfull indian empire. It didnt happen then ,but today all communities live together and this diversity is the result of rising strenght of India. Here there seems to be a problem with Aurangzeb road,what about the glorification of churchill who was a downright racist and colonial despot.
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by talk cool on Feb 18, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
Dont just use fancy words like Secular , comunal harmony. We are doing from years and see what we got.Our country was occupied, loted, raped and torn apart.Did hindus do any thing for all this. How can you sit happy when the Sapta Sandu the place Hinduism originated was in Pakisthan and some buther will be cutting Bakra there.I am asking Muslims just to shut-up and join the main stream as any Minorities. India is a great land which assimilates all religions. Do we have problems with Zorastranians (parsis). When they were kicked out of Iran we gave shelter. Now nobody recognizes them as different. Do u know Tata/Godrej are Iranians? We think they are our own Indian.but ironically it is not the same with our own 'converted' Muslims. Why? They have, some where seeds of hatret. they dispise Hindus and Hinduism but branding us 'fundamentalist' etc.there is some hidden propoganda in their Madarasas and Mosques. I dont know when will they grow up.
