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For my freind .......... An Indian
by mohammed sahim ahmed on Mar 23, 2007 04:13 PM   Permalink | Hide replies



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My freind An Indian



If i get your email-ID i will tell the basics of polity society economy etc. actually you are confused by the words of RELIGION and SOCIETY. POLITY and ECONOMY.



Society is Group of People of particular land at a particular time in history. whereas RELIGION has been the IDEOLOGY which that believed in and practised to evolve into a custom and habits then culture and in a larger frame of time it is called a CIVILISATION.



ORDER is a need of an individual as well as society. so came the need of LAWS which are derived from customs and cultures.



Now the BELEIF is the keyword every where. either beleiving in SELF any Person or any IDEOLOGY. SCIENCE is also a beleif. because even if it changes its theories evry 20 years We beleif in what presently it says. after 20 years that beleif may get busted.



BEST is to judge from experience and history as science also advocates so. Science has started taking help of SURVEYS and STATISTICS.



Now come to RELEVANCE. Universal human values are always relevant everywhere. Just by geographical boundaries and historical timings dont change those values. other things may change with time and place.



Now STATE is group of people from that SOCIETY to especially guarantee the security and governance and the ORDER. thus comes POLITY into picture.



ECONOMY is faculty of organising money materials and livelihood activities. so that efficeincy increases.



And finally Science Arts and Religion are basic human faculties working since the origin of mankind. Intelligence Emotions and Divine guidelines are three tools for the respective faculties.



Among them Divine guidelines should be Supreme. because to ERR is human. and Divinity can not do any error.





Now, GOOD POINTS TO DISCUSS.



1. You have to first understand the word personal. differentiate it from Criminal. We are a secular state but a heterogenous society. personal Laws and customs have to be respected here to keep the nation united for political and social stability. what is harm in it. is RELIGION not the first law-maker in human history? why not give it a place now? science changes evry 10 or 20 years. Universal values never change. at least in ISLAM.



2. SECULAR electoral democracy always should give political importance to the different small communities. Otherwise it will become ONE-COMMUNITY MOBOCRACY.



3. every social issue should reflect politically also. because politics only finally makes policies and laws. Only Paid people should not come forward to help the opressed. there should a political will.



4. in democracy giving edge and importance to the marginalised through some policy is natural. otherwise it will cease to be democracy. you are UNNECESSARILY calling it APPEASEMENT.



5. Politics is all about People, Protection, Policy and Power. VoteBank is a basic element of a Democracy. Politicians want Power in their side and People want Protection and Policies in their sides. Better to give a kid CHOCLATE than

STICK to keep him happy. isn't it?



6. Now Hajj subsidy is no more. But then what was wrong with that if Thomas Cook can offer you Rs. 1-lakh package of 2-week Europe Tour and made profit also. Now, you decide GOI and Air India gave subsidy to Muslims or made PROFIT from 2-lakh indian Muslim fliers and tourists within 2 months time.

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  RE:RE:RE:RE:For my freind .......... An Indian
by An Indian on Mar 25, 2007 11:53 AM   Permalink
For Mohammed Sahim Ahmed



My dear Mohammed Sahim Ahmed,



I have read your response very carefully and tried to analyse your thoughts. I at outset I would like to mention that I am not at all interested to challenge the knowledge and intelligence of anyone including you. I am not interested to comments on the quotes, misquotes, interpretation and misinterpretation of any religious (or so called holly) books. I am not at all interested to annoy also anyone because the time, the biggest ruler of the universe would decide his or her fate. I have read many posting, many quotes, misquotes, interpretations and misinterpretations of many reader, are from different religion (started by so called prophets or otherwise) and with different ideologies. From example, one of the readers of Muslim community has justified that Jihad is absolutely correct and it must be carried on, he even compared the court judgement of, like death sentence and killing of enemies in war field with the killings of Jihad. I can never think such an illogical advocacy from other community people, when I asked what would be the consequence if everyone starts executing own judgement and if someone gives verdict against you that an insane person has no right to exist in this world or at least India, then what would be your reaction, I could not get any reply. One gentleman had been challenging that what he had quoted, all are directly from Quran and Hadith, and there is no scope for denial. Other people have quoted different interpretations from different books of different religion but it is almost certain that they have spent lots of time, and have carried lots of research, and are quite intelligent also, but the authenticity of all those are difficult to examine and hardly carry any relevance in the present context and which affects our day-to-day life. Your have also tried to explain some definition which definitely has its relevance, but simultaneously twisted and misinterpreted in accordance to your own wishes and own benefit, and tried to justify judiciously. I am least interested to exhibit my wisdom, rather interested for such matters which are affecting the life of majorities (not religious), exploitation of resources by certain of segment of people etc., encouraging group criminality like terrorism and related activities, anti-country activities etc.



Now I reply to your queries:



You comments:

Society is Group of People of particular land at a particular time in history. whereas RELIGION has been the IDEOLOGY which that believed in and practised to evolve into a custom and habits then culture and in a larger frame of time it is called a CIVILISATION.



My reply:

I do agree with your classical definition and would like to reply you that invasion of Arab culture (not Muslim religion, as religion is nothing to do with the culture, as the culture is based on the geographic location,

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