RE:SIMI
by Dhiman Mohajan on Feb 16, 2007 12:51 AM Permalink
Because in Islamic relegion apart from Muslims , other religious people are 'Kafer' and it is their holy duty to kill ' Kafer'
RE:RE:SIMI
by Imran Parihar on Feb 16, 2007 02:52 AM Permalink
I dont think anyone is getting offended by the ban on SIMI. Attacking Islam and its followers is what is offending most of the population. Mr. Mohajan, I cannot ask you to pick up a book on Islam to understand the term "Kafir" (you will get offended I assume), its relevance to the present day but would encourage you to google it and hopefully it will dispense your concerns.
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 16, 2007 03:34 AM Permalink
or visit faithfreedom.org and it will allay all concerns. 'Kafirs' are those who are NOT ahl-i-kitab (jews, muslims and christians have biblical beliefs, so they are people of the book). This is the traditional approach and islam has forbidden ANY change to this approach. While non-muslims among the ahl-i-kitaab can pay jizya and live subordinately, killing them is not mandated (until a strong circumstance arises). Kafirs, on the other hand, cannot be asked to pay jizya. They have to convert or get killed.
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by F17 on Feb 16, 2007 04:28 AM Permalink
faithfreedom.com is a zionist propaganda website... Kafir means non-believer... its the same as nastik in hindu religion... so you should not be offended by the word.... its not a slang.....
about that site.. its a propaganda to dupe people... I will give you one example... If you read just one sentence of geeta Krishna tells Arjun to kill his relatives but there is a context for which its valid...
Likewise whatever is written in Koran is on specific context.... Unless you know the context you cannot say that Koran simply tells to kill non-believers....
So why not get an English translated version of Koran & find out why such thing is written & for what context....
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by F17 on Feb 16, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
""do your work; don't think about the outcome."""
This is what fundamentalists in Islam & every other religion use to justify terror... You said this yourself... Yes muslims are used by fundamentalists but does this include all muslims... Fundamentalist use people in all & every religion though differently....
If you have preoccupied yourself then no point arguing.... Do you know Arabic... then you would know what Kafir really means. Its an arabic word for non-believer.. If what you had said about death penalty by state for being a Kafir is true then we would have known it in todays world... don't you think so... What you are saying is not practiced in any country on a mass level.. It might be ~1400 years ago but not now.....its the handiwork of terrorists who have no moral values...
Ali Sina is also preoccupied by what was written 1400 years ago for the contexts valid at that time.... People had tried arguing with Ali Sina but he is preoccupied like most in this forum. he has to run the propaganda..
Islam is changing though very slowly.. but preoccupation like yours will only instill insecurity... What is highlighted is not practiced by most muslims but a handfull... Maniacs are found in every religion... otherwise Hindu fundamentalists would not resist Valentine's Day....
Terrorists are brainwashed all over the world.... With muslim terrorist people have used religion to brainwash... but how many Indian muslim endrose terrorist groups... Hell how many know the names of leaders of these terrorist group....
So what is practiced by muslims is not what was written for no reason... I do agree that most muslims also don't know the context's of Koran... This is where education comes in....
To enlighten you only ~6% of muslim children go to madarsa... people are trying... You cannot expect change overnight.... But don't loose faith still in common Indian Muslim for Paki propaganda...
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by Kaushik Das on Feb 16, 2007 08:15 AM Permalink
1. There are no punishments for being a nastik in hindootwa. 2. There is punishment for being a non-believer in allah in islam - the punishment is death. 3. A kafir is not the same as a non-believer. Traditionally, it is one who believes in worshipping any object like a stone or plants. 4. Ali Sina has challenged that he would take the content OFF_SITE if proved wrong. If you think it is a dupe, prove it and get the site taken off the web. Can you give ONE example of where the site is false? 5. The problem with English translated versions is that they mellow the harshness and hatred of the original. 6. Contexts - which context is used to teach terrorists? Are they taught the contexts before sending them to bomb our people? Krshna does not tell Arjuna to kill his relatives. When Arjuna seems ill-prepared to kill the enemies (who happen to be relatives in this case), Krshna merely advises him to recognise enemies as enemies and not as relatives - means, do your work; don't think about the outcome. I know that the order of 'kill the kafirs' has come in wartime. But, mind you, unlike Krshna, mohammed says 'Kill the kafirs wherever you find them'. He does not say 'kill your enemies'. Krshna had not ordered to kill Kauravas and their kin. In fact, he had not ordered to kill at all. He had advised Arjuna to NOT refrain from fighting the enemy because there, on the battlefield, Arjuna was fighting for a the right and whoever fought him was to be fought. However, mohammed makes a clear distinction between muslims and kafirs (it is not the same as a distinction between right and wrong). He also sent the armies to kill innocent civilians. He also took their wives and other womenfolk as slaves and slept with them, often on the same night. Later, he also attacked a jewish tribe which had a no attack pact with him... The list goes on. Stop feeling inferior. Realise that you have been following a wrong path and convert. We do not have anything against you as a person. No need to defend the wrong principles of a barbaric religion.
