I agree with you that Muslims or anyone for that matter (religion/caste/sex) should not be discriminated. However two things are worth mentioning: 1.If an Average Muslim has 10 kids, how can he afford to send them to school? Should the state be responsible for their welfare? Muslims take exceptions from the Quran by drinking alcohol, violence, theft etc. Only when it comes to birth-control, they adhere to the Quran. How does Quran advise on providing for 10 kids ? We dont have the oil reserves that the Arabs do!
2.I hope you agree that the entire sub-continent was Hindustan before the Mughals invaded us. When India was partitioned on Religious lines, India lost the land of Pakistan and Bangladesh. The deal was that Hindus will remain in India and Muslims move to Pakistan. I appreciate that Muslims decided to stay with India since they considered it their motherland. However did India get compensation from Pakistan in terms of land for the portion of Muslims that decided to stay with India. A very insignificant portion of Hindus stayed with Pakistan. So in all fairness, break-up of India was a raw deal for the Hindus by making it a pseudo-secular state. It is like you buy a new house with the full price and the old residents continue to occupy 2 bedrooms. And now they are demanding that they be allowed to use the Kitchen and Bathroom too! Hindus are very tolerent and they will allow such use too. But atleast dont side with Pakistan when they win.
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by neel sanghvi on Sep 01, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
birth rate of muslims is higher than hindus or anyone else in india. but the bigger issue is penetrators from bangladesh and paksitan who are even allowed to vote and hence government have to please them. for the same reason government also have to allow penetration of muslims. so there are two reasons 1. higher birth rate 2. higher illegal penetration inside india with political support for ill-motivation.
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by Minto on Sep 01, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
About your argument about prolific muslim birth rate, I feel muslims have the same birth rate as hindus in India. The percentage of muslims in Indian population has remained steady over last 60 years. Therefore your fear is unfounded.
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by Milind on Sep 01, 2007 01:35 AM Permalink
So how do you explain higher % of Muslim school drop outs compared to Hindus. Surely the primary school teachers are not failing the Muslims ? During my school days I had a Muslim friend who was weak in studies. His family was rich since someone was working in the gulf. Eventually he dropped out. Dont know where he is now.
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by sam on Sep 01, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
Who the hell told you the birth rate is same in Hindu and muslims? If its same, how come in 60 yrs of independence muslim population has swelled from 7% at independence to 17% today of Indian population. Get the stats correct.......
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by Sankalp on Sep 01, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
That is not true.It was published a few months ago.It has risen ans so has the birth rate of Xians.
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by Anuj Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 02:19 AM Permalink
Minto has a very shallo knowledge. It is recommeneded that Minto please gain some knowledge before writing such bullshit in these blogs
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by Vasanth Srinivas on Sep 01, 2007 04:08 AM Permalink
Probably Minto got his graduation from Madarassa. Waste of time in arguing with him.
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by sasank majumdar on Sep 01, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
you have no clue how fast these muslims are multiplying, trust me its just a matter of 15-20 yrs when they will become majority here and ask for a separate land. you will agin be slaughtered, displaced and build another smaller secular state.
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by Ek Hindustani on Sep 01, 2007 02:06 AM Permalink
These fears are unfounded deeply rooted in bias and hate. Why do you hate muslims? Why do you fear us? There will never be another partition of India ever. Muslim populations have been grossly underreported since the time of Independence, and figures that now show are a correction not the multiplication or birth rate. Its been 60 years since India's independence if they were having 10 kids per couple, then surely the populations should have been much much more than what it is right now. Or you think Muslims suddenly decided to accelarate the birth rate, now that they enjoy more poverty and ghettoization and discriminiation?? C'mon people - na hindu na musalmaan na sikh na isayee - sabko ek hindustani ki nazar se dekho - khoon sabke ragon mein laal hai - sabke dil mein hindustan aur hindustaniyon ka pyar hai - ek haat mohobat ka aur bharose ka aur bhai charey ka badha kar to dekho - ye shak ye nafrat apne dilon se hata kar to dekho - dekho tumhara apna bhai khada hai tumharey saath - koi aur nahi - isi matr bhoomi ki aulaad khadi hai. Jai Hind.
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by sasank majumdar on Sep 01, 2007 02:14 AM Permalink
i must say that u are a microscopic percentage in your community. Majority are bigot, fanatic and dogmatist about Islam, for them religion come first, they give a damn to patritism or nation building. Most of your people are guided by Illiterate Mullahs who have never read any other book other than koran. you are completely out of touch with ground reality. Most of the Muslims hold extreme view about their religion. Thats why there is always theocracy in muslim majority country. You should go and see the status of Hindus (hugely decimitated from their partition time number)in Pakistan and Bangladesh rather than sitting here and enjoying the fruit of a secular state.
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by Anuj Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 02:28 AM Permalink
Gr8 said Hindustani,
But jab bhi kahin bobm dhamaaka hota hai, muslim ka naam aata hai, jab bhi kahin innocent log marte hai msulim ka naam aata hai, log yekin karey to kaise, 60 saal tak yekin karne ka kya sila mila bolo....pakistan cricket jit ta hai to hindustan mein bomb fut ta hai, afganistan mein talibaan US bomb attack mein marte hai to yahan unka matam hota hai.. ek baat batao Hyderabad mein itne hindu marey....koi muslim sanstha nein ek baat bhi nahin ki...Mecca masjid mein blast hua tha aur 16 log marey they to log sadko pe utar aaye they...dukane lui gayee, goliyan chali pattherbaji hui, MIM nein ghadiyali aanso bahaiye, ab jab Hyderabad blast mein 40 log marey to aisa kyun nahin hua.. kyun MIM saamne nahin aaye, kyun julus nahin nikla , kyun matam nahin manaya gaya.......... kaaran kya hai..kaaran ek hi hai marne wale hindu they....yehi hum hindu kehte hai aap logo..jab upar wale nein insaan banane mein farqa nahin kiya to kyun kar rahey hai msulim aisa, kyun jihad k naam pe inocent logo ko maut ki neend sula rahey hai.... jo bomb woh plant karte hai kya woh bomb Hindu, Muslim mein farq karta hai...isiliye bhai.. humey nashiyat dene se pehle aap yeh dekho ki haqeeqat kya hai...hum logo ko aisa sochne pe kisne mjbbor kiya hai, kyun sochte hai hum aisa...
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by Ek Hindustani on Sep 01, 2007 02:40 AM Permalink
Brother Buddha, Do your fellow countryman a favor, address me as a hindustani first and last. Here's my response my dear brother. 1. You do a great job following the terror attacks. Can you provide me list of this unfounded statistic that you quote? 2. See 1. 3. Kashimiris regardles of hindus-muslims have been made into refugees in India, this is NOT because Islam but because of PAKISTAN. Thier policies to annex it from India and path chosen is to blame not any religion. 4. every 3 mo. for last 20 yrs. Wow. please provide details. 5. Known fact that the Modi govt./police admin/BJP/RSS/VHP responsible for rape,killings,burning alive of Muslims. Shuddi Karan - What is that? Please respond. 6. no not every sane person but person who willfully defames prophets. Dint the RSS/VHP go after MF HUssain for paingings that they thought were insulting to their Gods?? what about that? 7. Treatment of women is like shit cuz of illetracy not cuz of islam, in Islam they ahve equal rights. Muslims of today dont follow islam. 8. Cuz of ghetoizzation and systemic discrimination, finger pointing and indictments based on filmsy evidence. If your muslim you did it. 9. Indian Muslims are as loyal as you are to India. They also have soft corner for other ummah just as you do for kashmiri pundits. 10. Islam is religion of peace. Preaches one god, does not divide based on caste or class. All equal in front of god. preaches everyone has right to follow their own religion.
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by Minto on Sep 01, 2007 03:30 AM Permalink
Dear Snakalp and others, Growth rate of muslim population is about 0.6% higer compared to rest of the population. You can check that out yourself. Muslim population was about 13.5% in 2001 census. During partition it was around 12% and not 7% as some people mentioned. The higher birth rate can mostly be attributed to lack of education and backwardness. Conversion plays a very insignificant role. On a surprising note, female population in India increaed by 0.3% in 2001 census. This is attributed to female education and awareness.
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by mpncn mpn on Sep 01, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
do u know many of the Muslim majority slums were avoided in the last census conducted, to downplay the growth rate.U ask any Bihari or UP bhayya...or read some news papers reports at that time..
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by mpncn mpn on Sep 01, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
To pacify others that the muslims pupulation has not increased as its being reported by many. To make Hindus Blv that whatever says about Muslims growth rate is wrong and mis conception!!as simple as that.... Go and breed muslims...u have to out number the rats...but still teh govt of India will not show it to the public
