I was raised by Hindi films which used to say "All religions are same". "Sama Dhrama Smabhav". But I did not had a chance to check what other religions were saying. Christains are after poor Hindus and want to convert them at the fisrt opportunity. And Muslims on another side want to align with sepratists ideology and not identifying anything with the Hindus to the point that they refuse to sing "Vande Mataram". Kalam and Rehman both don't have objection to sing "Vande Mataram" but the Muslim poiticians make it as a issue.. I mean what's "Vande Mataram". It is just repecting India as a mother. But even moderate muslims object singing "Vande Mataram" in schools. If people can't even agree on this simple issue do you think India as a country is going to be any stronger like China?
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
Idiot... Vande Mataram has got nothing to do with Patriotism. It is just a song that suits the Hindu belief in gods and Godess.
IT IS NOT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IT IS NOT PART OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION
WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ???
All Muslims sing the national anthem.
Stop this drama of symbolic patriotism. Pay you taxes...do not bribe people of take bribe. You will do better service to nation than singing "Vande Mataram"
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
Please sing it for me only once.. Please Please sing it.. Prove me that you are not afraid of anything.. Please prove that sometimes a Muslim can keep his idealogy SAME AS HINDU DID WHEN THEY ACCEPETED A MUSLIM PRESIDENT. If we show solidarity then we expect sometihing in return. No more freebies...
RE:RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
As a Muslim I do not believe in the concept of my Birth Country being a "Mata". Allah gave me one Mother.
Patriotism shows in your conduct, in your dealings and your interactions. Not this symbolic songs.
My country will NOT be an inch better by these songs. Pay you taxes and do not be part of any bribes...You will be more patriotic.
RE:RE:RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. You will never evolve beyond your teachings., Even if all the Humanity travels to Mars or moon there also you will point in the direction of Eart 'Cos that where Mecca is right?
If Hindus can love Sher O Shayari why can't the Muslims sing Vande Mataram. That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. Your Islamic teaching doesn't allow you to experiment. It doesn't allow you any freedom for any thought process and this halts the evolution of a Muslim mind..
Why R U blindly follwing any teachings? In Hinduism we have freedom to criticize and even correct any Hindu intepretations? When can this happen in Islam?
Why are U blindly following Allah? If U agree that this Universe is the reflection of GOD then U are stupid to beleive that this GOD or nature is forzen as a book written by your Allah. Look around this Earth and Universe is chaging evey second. How can something 1400 years ago could be true today.. Stop follwoing any Koran or any teachings. They are in their times. The Universe (which is a reflection of GOD) has changed in a million ways by now..
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by naresh kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
One MATA That is the Beauty of being an Indian, "tu hi mata tu hi pita ho" " eh Malik tere Bande hum" "haste hue nikle dum" Indian convert Muslims should understand that they belonged to India and Indian faith well, well, well before ISLAM was born, ek alag bath hai ki woh Zabardasti ke saude se Muslman Ban gaye,hum Islam ka Izzat karte hai,ek astha ke nam par , magar if this asth has to kill your own brothers and sisters ie Indians and also like Iraq, hum watan,hum dard,hum dost,hum safar,hum jigar,all; has um ie Mother,in arabic,why the hell then In Islamic country nthey name places Um Ramal,Um Watan. Please read Please read the books and Philosopy, particulary written by Islamic Scholars , you have many web site adresses hosted by your Islamists,read between the lines you will find the contradictions within the theories among theories,ALL RELIGIONS HAVE FAILED IN THIS WORLD, IF NOT WHY WOULD HAVE BEEN THESE MANY KI9LLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, BE IT IRAQ, SUDAN ,BOSNIA,LEBENON, PALESTINE,INDIA,PAKISTAN, AFGANISTAN,AZERBAIZAN, MERI JAAN BAHUT HO GAYA DHARAM KA NATAK BUS EK DHARAM KA PALAN KARO WO HAI INSANIYYAT,SIRF INSANIYAAT,HUME JANNAT KA KHWAB MAT DIKLAWOO,ISI SAR JAMI PAR JANNAT,AMANAT AUR KAYAMAT HAI, HAME KITABI AUR MAULAVI JANNAT KA KHAWAB MAT DIKLAVO, BAHUT JAWAN LOG MAR RAHE HAI GOLIYOO SE,BOMB O SE,BIWI YA VIDWA HO RAHI HAI,BACCHE BHIK MAANG RAHE HAI,HUME HAAT PEHLANA NAHI HAI KHADI DESHO KE SAMANE,KI ISLAM KE DHARM KE NAAM PE BHIK DE DE SHAIK. JAISE PALESTEN
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by Patriot on Aug 31, 2007 02:23 AM Permalink
"It is just a song that suits the Hindu belief in gods and Godess."
Imran, this is what our NATIONAL SONG Vande Matarm means - ----------------------- Mother, I bow to thee! Rich with thy hurrying streams, bright with orchard gleams, Cool with thy winds of delight, Dark fields waving Mother of might, Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams, Over thy branches and lordly streams, Clad in thy blossoming trees, Mother, giver of ease Laughing low and sweet! Mother I kiss thy feet, Speaker sweet and low! Mother, to thee I bow. ---------------------
It has nothing to do with Hindu belief. Muslims sang this alongside Hindus when they all fought for a Free India, together. And it does have a lot to do with Patriotism.
I agree with all your other comments and they were highly logical as opposed to some other completely stupid comments I have read.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
I am always for common civil code. This is just a political issues which has been used by Muslims and Hindus alike.
If you are true Muslim, then he/she should be able to resolve matters using the advise and guidance from the Quran. No need to go to the courts that are corrupt.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
Can U repeat that? Do U really have permissions from your friends/relatives/parents for accpeting UCC>. Boy Oh Boy.. That's a first for me.. I know so many moderate muslims but NOT A SINGLE ONE EVEN WANTS TO DISCUSS UCC. You are the first muslims against whom a rational argument of UCC is possible. I am talking about 21'st century Human Rights based UCC accepted by all PEOPLE in India.. That's a first for me....
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by max on Aug 31, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
In hindu communities in South India, marriage between maternal uncle and his niece is widespread and is considered as a birth-right of the groom. In hindu communities in Punjab, Harayan, a woman is married to her husband's brothers. Would hindus accept this in their uniform civil code?
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Marx, yes that system were prevaling in south India, but during this century it has been rejected by the the same society and they are marrying girls from out side their family. While Hindus accpeted the reforms, Muslims could never and will never accept and will stick to their Muslim laws-shariat
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Aug 31, 2007 01:22 AM Permalink
The problem with religions of middle eastern origin is that they just are not satisfied with their personal belief of Jesus as son of God or Allah as their God. They also have a component of rejection of any other concept. That is if you are a Christian, just belief in Christ is not enough, you have to reject the Hinduism as devil worship. If you are a Muslim, just showing reverence to Mohammad is not enough. You also need to punish those who do not accept their belief as kafirs who should be killed. The religions of Asian origin do not have rejection as a component. Therefore, Hinduism or Buddhism or Jainism, do not have violence as a necessary part of the belief. While they do preach some degree of self protection, they not make it a point to go and plunder other lands people in the name of their faith.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by RRRChola on Aug 31, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
Buddiraju, not like that re..
It is a case of fanatics in samll groups.... U see the posting on this board, these are professional paid bloggers, spreading hatred, no religion is bad if taken in total...
