Have you been to TN before? I have lot of friends who are Brahmin and many are woking in TN government jobs. All my friends do not hate TN as you have mentioned. The so called media hype that Brahmins are sufferring in TN is untrue. These things exist only in Mr.Karunanidhi's mind. Infact he hates more the other dominant castes such as Vellalars, Thevars, ... etc [I belong to one of the above said caste]. As a person from near his native place [Thiruvarur], I can understand the humiliation he could have faced, because of his back ground [ He is from Musician family] He does not have guts to show it openly. You can check with any of these caste people.
In our [today's] generation we hardly have any ill-feeling towards Brahmins and vice versa.
Regarding the Reservation, you like it or not it is going to exist. In fact it helped many socially downtrodden people and some are also affected by it. Rather than opposing reservation, we need to think as a forward caste, what we want and how we can avoid the ill-effects of the reservation. Brahmins and other FCs have lot of influence in the government to push for actions, as per their recommandations.
This will help create or should I say maintain the cordial relation ship in TN.
I request people from rest of India [outside TN], to understand the social realties in TN and then comment.
As a christian, I think Tamil christians do not need any reservations except that the Dalit christians should be given reservation as per their Hindu counterparts.
RE:This is reply to Kumar Bhargava:
by Serial Tourist on Apr 06, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
"Dalit christians should be given reservation as per their Hindu counterparts."
Dalit christians should be given reservation in christian minority institutions. You converted them citing equality in Christianity and now they are forced to have separate pews and graveyards. Why shouldn't your community take responsibility for thier condition and provide reservation for them in your minority institutins like schools, colleges and hospitals as well as church heirarchy. Let a number of preists be reserved for dalit christians. You have to be responsible for your own sins against Dalit christians. How can you demand reservation for them from the Hindus?
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by Indian Students on Apr 06, 2007 03:22 AM Permalink
Some fields should be kept away from reservation quota, example Medicine. Will you be comfortable going to a doctor who obtained a degree through quota and has a low merit? I will definitely will not. Those who have low merits and still hold a degree end up in government hospitals.
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RE:This is reply to Kumar Bhargava:
by santosh on Apr 06, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
Hi,
I understand your concern and it is very much valid. Can you believe, even our air force have reservations for SCs? Infact I was a victim. Can we stop that aswell? I doubt we can.
This reservation issue is no longer just a question of upliftment of downtrodden but it involves political power too. Opposing this vehemently will draw a battle line, with the so called "FCs" at one side and others on the another side. Infact the so called reservation lobby has more numbers in parliament than who oppose it. So my suggestion is that we should support it with necessary checks and balances. Also we need to have a mechanism to overcome the ill-effects of reservation. Moreover, I knew few of my friends who got job because of SC reservation and certainly they are not unfit for the job. One of my friend joined the special commando police force as a Sub-inspector. He was with the STF to capture Veerappan. After the success, he is now been promoted as ASP. So reservation is just not all bad. I have had first hand experience how socio-economic equation changes with a decent job. At this our we need to take decision with understanding and unemotinaly using our brains and not our hearts.
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by Chatpar Chatpar on Apr 06, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
This is in reply to Santosh
You have presented some good points. As a member of a backward community who has \"made it\" economically and educationally, I can bring some different perspective to the debate.
While I don\'t disagree with the idea of offering a helping hand to the downtrodden sections of our citizen, I do think that the present system of caste, region, SC/ST and other quotas should not be continued any longer. Instead, the really neeedy should be provided reservations based on the poverty levels. This will ensure that the help goes to the real needy and weaker sections of the society. This is also a very egalitarian and secular way of treating the needy and is the only way to eliminate communal, religious and caste divides. If this system is adopted, the cunning politicians will no longer be able to use communalism for their own selfish designs.
As it exists now, my children and family members who are extremely well to do are eligible for reservation. This is not justifiable. If a poverty based system is adopted, people in my situation will no longer be eligible to use the system thereby depriving a more needy member of the society succeed. Also, more than reservations, more help should be provided to poor children to attend good school and get high quality primary and secondary education.
