Imagine Mongia serioulsy thinks that he can coach india.. I think sachin should retire and become the coach and srinath/Prasad should assit him as the bowling coach. Ganguly should become the selector.
It is now clear that the team members especially the seniors like Ganguly and Tendulkar let down the Team, the Captain and the Coach very badly. Throwing out Dravid and Chappell is like throwing the "baby" out with the "bathwater".They both still represent the best hope for the future of Indian cricket.A younger vice captain ( no clear choice really ???)with intention to take over from Dravid in about 2 years time seems the best way to go. And for the sake of Indian cricket,Sachin and Ganguly please go into retirement.Your past records and performance will only look better and graceful when you know it is time to go.
RE:Coach and Captain in future
by Circuit on Mar 29, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Dear Raj,
We are not concerned as who is in form, out of form, playing game or playing politics or so ever. What er want is that the team should give consistent positive results. If team looses and Mr wall or tendlya hits double century, it's vein for us. But if team wins and the captain himself gets out on a duck is welcomed. The result should be victory. kunki agar garv hai to sab kuchh hai, garv nahin to kuchh bhi nahin.
RE:Coach and Captain in future
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Raj,
What about, when the same Ganguly waved his shirt over his head after the famous Nat Weat win ?? You were not proud to be an indian when we triumphed over England & showed them that we can see them face to face and with our heads held high ??
RE:Coach and Captain in future
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
Its not a question of bong or not..idiot..look at my argument its well put. not like you who doesnot understand head or tail of cricket and make personal remarks. I have tough balls to accept the reality but its only you guys who are supporting Dravid who kept on hanging with sehwag and kumble, destroyed a winning team, conspired against sourav and supported that idiot Chappel. Sourav atleast showed us the proud days of 2003 world cup where we reached finals and gave us hope of winning 2007.
RE:RE:Coach and Captain in future
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
still reeling in past laurels, Saurav is in team thats surprising......
RE:Coach and Captain in future
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
Benedict..thats not past laurels this is hope of getting is right with sourav back again.
RE:Coach and Captain in future
by mohan br on Mar 29, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
Chappel and Dravid were a great combination. Ignorant Indian cricket fans cannot understand what is going on in Indian cricket right now. Sachin and Ganguly wanted Dravid to fail. Ganguly flourished when Dalmia was there. He did everything to remove seniors like Kumble Dravid etc. Didn't Ganguly force Dravid to keep wickets if Dravid wanted to play in the ODI team. You guys must understand the politics of Indian Cricket before blindly speaking against Dravid, or Chappel or even Kumble
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
You language speaks for itself.. this is the kind of culture you have. I'm sure you must be a bong. And we all know about the bongs i mean commies.They can't take critism. So you can't run away from reality. It is well known fact that Ganguly chicked out whenever he saw fast balls. You Osho.. have some balls to accept the reality.
Sourav was, is & will be non performer. He was just a good manipulator. When he was captain everybody performed well. Just look at his stats against good sides. You will understand. I hope you understand. Looking at your previous comments I doubt. You are man without brains.As you don't have brains you think from where people shit.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Circuit on Mar 29, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
Dear Raj,
We are not concerned as who is in form, out of form, playing game or playing politics or so ever. What er want is that the team should give consistent positive results. If team looses and Mr wall or tendlya hits double century, it's vein for us. But if team wins and the captain himself gets out on a duck is welcomed. The result should be victory. kunki agar garv hai to sab kuchh hai, garv nahin to kuchh bhi nahin.
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by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
If Sourav is a non performer then who performed in South Africa and in the two One Day series before World Cup ???............... Dravid ???
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Dravid scored 60 against Srilanka.. how much did Sourav score in that match. Now don't talk about Bermuda match...Against Sourav scored 66 in 140 balls. If you are going to bat that slow that anybody would have scored that much. Actually Ganguly was playing for himself rather than for the team.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
Stupid msg..whats the connection between bouncers and good captaincy? Sourav is an all rounder so understands overall cricket better than Rahul. Who looks like a chicken on the field all the time. What if ganguly was not playing bouncers well he overcame it and that too in style. Got runs against Australia and SA. Only captain who would have given us a victory in Australia.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
Sourav is the best captain we had in recent past, under his captaincy we were atleast World No 2 if not 1 but now we are even below Bangladesh. This happens when you have a weak captain like Dravid whose first rule is to nod in support of a dominating coach like Chappell. Sourav is somebody who liked to lead from front & in full command that's why he was victim of Board politics backed by personal ego of Chappell.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
Lead from the front.. are you kidding...what happened when he chickened out looking at green top pitch in Nagpur. There are serveral such instances.
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by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
What about Dravid not performing in the World Cup ?? will you say that he chickened out against Bangladesh ?? Obviously no but you have to understand that we watch the game from a distance and we should react to what we see not what we asume.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
Dravid scored 60 against Srilanka.. how much did Sourav score in that match. Now don't talk about Bermuda match...
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Dravid scored 60 after so many regular failures and what has his 60 done in that match ? You can justify his 60 if we would had won the match but the reality is we lost and there is no justification of a loss.
RE:Sourav (No Bouncers Please) Gangulty - Next Captain
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
People who hate Dravid...Who do you want next as Captain...Ganguly... who chickened out looking at green top in Nagpur test.
Rahul should resign because of Chappel worship and creating negative effect in the team. He made a winning team into a pack of losers. All the things that you wrote about all players not performing was becasue of Rahuls negative captaincy. He should be sacked immediately and Greg should be packed off. Sourav should be reinstated as a captain asap to avoid further damage. Get a coach from ex indian captains. High time someon like Mohinder Srikanth Sunny or Sandip patil takes over
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Benedict Fernandes on Mar 29, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
When Sachin was captain what did this Saurav do how many runs did he score...Saurav always wanted captaincy and nothing else..He deserted Sachin and now Dravid.....No doubt he played in South Africa but not match winning knocks and now what???? when India needed to accelerate the runrate against Barmuda he had 73 dot balls to his credit....and now after playing in S.A now he is showing his true colours....
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
What did Sachin do ? when Sourav required him for Australia tour ?? what did Dravid & Sachin do when Sourav required them to play matchwinning knocks in World Cup 2003 finals ?? What did Sachin & Dravid do when when in 2002 -2003 under Sourav's captaincy we reached in 9 consecutive finals but not even once won the title ??
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by vasu reddy on Mar 29, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
yes true under dravid we are not reaching finals and no need to talk about final failures its time to talk about first round failures
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by veena gabda on Mar 29, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Osho, Don't say ganguly must be back just because u r Bengali, think as a true indian.
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Shark on Mar 29, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
I AM NOT OSHO OR A BENGALI BUT I AM A PUNJABI BUT STILL THINK THAT SOURAV SHOULD BE THE CAPTAIN AGAIN BECAUSE THE PAST RECORDS & PAST PERFORMANCE SPEAK FOR ITSELF. TELL ME YOU, ME & MILLIONS OF INDIANS LIKE US WERE NOT PROUD WHEN WE WERE WINNING SERIES AFTER SERIES IN THE TIMESPAN OF 5 YEARS (2000 - 2005) ???
WE EVEN REACHED FINALS OF A WORLD CUP AFTER 20 YEARS, WAS THAT NOT AN ACHIEVEMENT ?? WE CAN'T IGNORE THOSE GLORIOUS 5 YEARS OF INDIAN CRICKET, CAN WE ??
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Suman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
ganguly success is hardwork and performance of dravid kumble sachin and laxman NOT BECAUSE OF HIS LEADERHSIP QUALITIES SACHIN DID NOT DITCH GANGULY EVENTHOUGH HE LOST CAPTAINCY GANGULY DITCED DRAVID AND TEAM TO KEEP HIS AVERAGE NOT HAREMED AND HUMILIATED DRAVID GANGULY IS CUNNING POLITICANS
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by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
Suman..thats crazy. It was Dravid who conspired against Sourav for captaincy..everyone knows that..Sourav is the king he should be reinstated on the throne asap.
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Hemant on Mar 29, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Exactly, Ganguly was a successful captain coz Dravid Kumble Sachin Laxman Yuvraj played well. It is captain's job to get the best out of his team members. I'm not a Dravid hater or Ganguly supporter. In this world cup Dravid fumbled at quite a few occassions like second batting against Bagladesh, defensive field settings, shuffling of bowlers etc.
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
Oye true indian veena...Ganguly should be back because I am thinking like a true indian
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Suman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
dada dadagiri betryed the team and ditched the dravid back stage politics ganguly is cunning politiician he deliberately played negative criceker played a big role in defeat just to humiliate dravid and prove dravid not good captain and ganguly's record will won't harmed if one win,team would have gone s/league THEN THERE WON'T BE CHANGEIN CAPTIANCY GANGULY IS FRONT RUNNER FOR CAPTAINCY BACK STAGE POLITICS ganguly used dalmiay when he was in power whole country knew how gracefully he backstabbed dalmiay everybody know his backdoor entry ganguly is politician his dadagiri supported by left pary mps who can influence pawar prsd of bcci david is not looser he is still ranked 12 in icc odi ranking while ganguly moved down 2 places from 55 to No 57 even after winnin MOS against Sl series at home look at stat there is only 1% diff in odi winning average of ganguly 5 yrs tenure and drvids one and half yr tenure ganguly is main culprit for team loss
RE:To Suman Bhat - for supporting the 'loser' Dravid
by Raj Aryan on Mar 29, 2007 11:23 AM Permalink
Mohinder... Indian Coach.. come on...Mohinder was known for his slow batting. Srikanth.. did he have any technique while he was playing.Sandeep Patil was just good for posters. We need professionals not excricketers who were average players themselves.
country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat Zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat VC Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) Batsman Mts Inns &n bsp; NO Runs Hs ;Avg SR 100 50 0 V Sehwag 3 3 0 &n bsp; 164 114 54.66 &n bsp; 117.98 1 0 ; 0 SC Ganguly 3 3 0 & nbsp; 162 89 54.00 &n bsp; 60.90 0 2 0 Yuvraj Singh 3 3 0 &nb sp; 136 83 45.33 &nbs p; 117.24 0 1 & nbsp; 0 R Dravid 3 3 1 &n bsp; 81 60 40.50 &nbs p; 72.32 0 1 &n bsp; 0
Dravid was criticsed by chief selector and board members and ex cricketers but he was highest rungetter, and scored 100 and won mom. Other players din not score 100 against even Bermuda
dravid was only batsman struggling agianst SL the match was crucial and all other batamanss went to pavilion by gtting out silly shots
Ganguly -5 yrs Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain
out of 147 matches India won 76 (51.70%) lost 66 (44.90%) Tie or no results 5(3.40%) won 74 (50.34%)
But Saurav captained 34 ODI against minnows Bangla Desh Zimbabwe Namibia Kenya Netherlands Canada etc%u2026..
Dravid %u2013 16 months Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when Dravid was captian
India won 33 (50.77%) lost 28 (43.08%)no result/ tie 4 (6.15%)
But Dravid captained ot 65 matches captained only two ODI against minnows i.e. Bangladesh and Bermuda
VC sachin failed with bat but ganguly played negative cricket and gifted match to bangladesh even one win would have taken team to S.legue and there was no change in captaicy and odi winning average differen very just 1% when compared dravids 's 16 months captaincy with ganguly's 5 yrs achievement. one win means there is change and also harbajan wkt less and dhoni is failure if coach and captain has to go then sachin ganguly herbajan and dhoni shold be shown the door
RE:captaincy myth and truth
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
Rahul should resign because of Chappel worship and creating negative effect in the team. He made a winning team into a pack of losers. All the things that you wrote about all players not performing was becasue of Rahuls negative captaincy. He should be sacked immediately and Greg should be packed off. Sourav should be reinstated as a captain asap to avoid further damage. Get a coach from ex indian captains. High time someon like Mohinder Srikanth Sunny or Sandip patil takes over
RE:captaincy myth and truth
by Circuit on Mar 29, 2007 10:51 AM Permalink
If we recollect the past, in 1987 - kapil lost his captaincy due to a single bad day, when he could not pack the sweep shot of graham gooch and gave a catch over just over boundryline to mike getting. Besides these two mistakes, he led team india trumendouly match by match in all the area. but what happened, he had to loose his captaincy.
This time again, Team India was one of the favourites to win the cup and place in SemiFinals was assured by all the leading personalities. Only and Only due to inexperienced captaincy of dravid, team india take wrong decisions one after another until it was out in the preliminary round. Wo to shukra hai Bermuda thi, Koi bhi doosari team hoti to Teeno Match haar ke aate. Thus DRAVID SHOULD BE SACKED FROM CAPTAINCY, He may be allowed to be a team member.
RE:'How can you ignore someone like Anil
by Shanker Shetty on Mar 29, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
WHAT IS THE POINT IN FINGERING POTINS AT EACH OTHER. IT IS NOT CAPATIN'S FAULT EITHER. AGAINST ADVERSITY HE MADE GOOD RUNS AGAINST LANKS. AFTERALL ITS A TEAM AND THERE MUST BE A CONTRIBUTION FROM EVERY ONE. EXCEPT 2 PEOPLE NOBODAY ELSE CONTRIBUTED WITH BAT. WHY DO NOT ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT?
In the past many great cricketers resigned from Captaincy taking the responsibility of their defeat in WC or other major tournament. Although all 11 players played with the captain.
So if Dravid is a gentleman he should resign from Captaincy taking the blame that he could not lead the team in right way.
In Srilanka Jaysurya, Attapatu resigned from the captaincy after the team defeated. In South Africa Shawn Pollock resigned after their team lost in last world cup. Many other gentleman of other teams resigned from the captaincy taking the responsibility of the defeat but continue playing for the team.
Dravid should also resign gracefully before he is sacked.
RE:Dravid must resign
by Suman Bhat on Mar 29, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Ganguly deliberately played negative cricket, had a big role in defeat against Bangladesh and gifted mathc to Bangladesh. He betrayed team and ditched the captain. WC event was best stage If team wins it would gone to sleague. Then there would not have been change in captaincy An early exit means dravid is not good captian and ganguly average won%u2019t spoil NOW HE IS FRONT RUNNER IN CAPTAINCY RACE simply back stage politics to humiliate dravid ganguly wasted more balls than the runs he scored. The strikerate and average of bangadesh and other country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat Zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat VC Tendulkar scored a duck, Ganguly 7 in 23 balls and Yuvraj 6? Dhoni 0?( match against srilanka) Batsman Mts Inns &n bsp; NO Runs Hs ;Avg SR 100 50 0 V Sehwag 3 3 0 &n bsp; 164 114 54.66 &n bsp; 117.98 1 0 ; 0 SC Ganguly 3 3 0 & nbsp; 162 89 54.00 &n bsp; 60.90 0 2 0 Yuvraj Singh 3 3 0 &nb sp; 136 83 45.33 &nbs p; 117.24 0 1 & nbsp; 0 R Dravid 3 3 1 &n bsp; 81 60 40.50 &nbs p; 72.32 0 1 &n bsp; 0
Dravid was criticsed by chief selector and board members and ex cricketers but he was highest rungetter, and scored 100 and won mom. Other players din not score 100 against even Bermuda
dravid was only batsman struggling agianst SL the match was crucial and all other batamanss went to pavilion by gtting out silly shots some players played deliberately negative cricket to defeat so ppl say dravid poor captian and ganguly great. ganguly is culprit he ditched the team and captian
RE:Dravid must resign
by Osho on Mar 29, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
Captaincy is not all about one game Suman..its building the team. Rahul lost the plot in that. Greg broke the team from the word go. Rahul supported it. After that there were lots of experiments and the team did not stabilise at all. Players like tendulkar were made to bat lower the order and this was the beginning of the end. Rahul should be held responsible for all this instability in the team line up and should be kicked out of captaincy asap.
