If Chappell thinks that the responsibility totally lies with others to perform and win the cup(for that matter any tournaments)then what is the job of the coach.I think only John Buchanan will answer.We donot need any coach
RE:captaincy myth
by KAUSTAV DASGUPTA on Apr 02, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
trust a complete idiot like u to post such stupid things.we all know that u r obsessed with Dravid but to keep on spreading ur idiotic gossip now really is the limit! uthappa got out and india were 3-1 ,and what do u expect? ganguly to hit 3 fours and a six and get out and india to get 200-250 runs all out?? u also say Ganguly wasted balls in the Bangladesh match,WHO THE HELL CARES BECAUSE OUR SUPER-STRONG BATTING LINE-UP LED BY DRAVID did NOT EVEN LAST 50 OVERS!!!i guess u`d have been happy to see Ganguly out for a duck and to see India 130 all out,just because he DARED TO SCORE MORE THAN DRAVID!!!!!
your statistics are all wrong.god knows from where u spun all these latest gossip stories. u may be a blind follower and servant of Dravid`s but don`t think u can spread such horrible stuff.Even Dravid `Sir`ji will not like it and u`ll lose ur job! When India win nowadays(that rarely happens abroad nowadays),YOU ACT AS IF IT IS A ONE-MAN TEAM OF DRAVID`s and WHEN THEY LOSE,YOU SAY IT`S BCOZ OF ALL THE OTHER 10!!!!! YOU LIKE STATISTICS,DON`T YOU? HERE ARE THE TRUE ONES-Dravid got 81 runs from 3 matches at 27.00 per match and Ganguly got exactly double from the same @ 54/match. Under Dravid-Chappell India have won just 3 matches(vs. Pak,WI and BERMUDA) ouside the subcontinent out of 15 matches! sweet stats,aren`t they?? u see,unlike u, I don`t take so much joy in bickering over such stupid things,so pls try to get some common sense,it comes cheap..
RE:captaincy myth
by on Apr 02, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
Hello Suman, I think u r a follower of dravid (or) chappel, and u should know that captaincy is not just the wining and geting the record set, it all about carrying the team as a unit and making the team to belive in their ability and Ganguly is the best person suitable for this job. During the period of Ganguly, the team ahd played very good matches, inspite in the looosing games also they atleast showed the guts to make a turnover, this is what the captian need's to do. And Dravid didn't showed any signs of coomitment when the team is in beating. and captiancy is how u make the desicions on the field in match, but not using same satetrgies discussed in the closed room. Dravid is Mum fellow. If u go on to the record it also speaks about ganguly, he took us to final in many of the series including the worldcup in 2003, its different tht we didn't won their. But Ganguly is the man who knows to develop indian team into TeamIndia. So just see the approach not record's and also backing of players.
Our team has not qualified to cross the first hurdle and this is fact. It will remain in the history of WC forever. It was the failure of the team management to read the pitch properly in the game against Bangladesh. Sluggish approach towards the game. No motivation. Casual field placement and routine bowling change and finally Bad Coaching. Sehbag turned out of shape. Irfan Pathan, a true genious, turned flop. Kaif and Raina lost forms to be selected in the team. These faults go in whose account? No individual can bring defeat or win for a team as it is a team game. If Ganguly is selfish what others did? What is the track record of Mr. Chappel in coaching? What did India do in last Champion's trophy and in ODI against South Africa? Was there Ganguly? So, it is a total flop. BCCI should act tough this time to fix the responsibilities of each individual.
bangladesh team did not beat india but is politician ganguly who deliberately played negative cricket and gifit match to bangladesh and had big role in defeat just to humiliate dravid. WC is big event and ganguly betryed teh team and ditcched the captain Now he is in front for captaincy race there is only !% dif in odi winning average between dravid 's captaucny and ganguly's 5 yrs succces early exit in odi means to prove dravid poor captain, gnaguly 's records did not harm ganguly is politician he used dalmiay a fellow bangali, when dalmiya had bcci power and backstabbed him when he lost bcci power dravid anchoed the ganguly's success as captaind but ganguly ditched him and betrayed the team ganguly is selfish, politicina he is promoting groupism in ind dressing room ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only 162 runs, the how much pressure built on incoming bats man doesn't matter india wins or Lose Ganguly RETURN WAS HYPED BY MEDIA BUT HE WAS NOT IN TEAM UNIFROM ALSO AND HE DID NOT ARRIVE WITH TEAM?? The picute which tev channel shown after ind defeat in Sl . all players were in tears but no sight of ganguly dhoni and harbajan Ganguly was not in pictue? Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat was laughing when he dro[[ed catch VC captain sachin failed completely with bat ganguly is destroying ind team by playing negative cricket.He is selfish oppertunist cunning politician NOT LEADER HE SHOULD KICKED OUT OF TEAM ganguly played negative cricket had big role in debacle of team inda's early exit from WC Ganguly innings in 3 matches were face saving, played for self, saving his wkt, not bother team win or lost, never tried to accelerate runrate, cost more runs to team by poor running bet wkt and unwilling to take singles, create pressure on other batamam, poor fielding , Batsman ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only to prove that dravid is not good captain and his WC records will remain unharmed It was all about attitude, feels BCCI NEW DELHI, "There are five players in the team whose attitude needs to be sorted out," the official stressed. When asked to name the players, he suggested names like Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh and Ajit Agarkar.
that contributed to our losses against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka." http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/It_was_all_about_attitude_feels_BCCI/articleshow/1839620.cms
RE:ganguly is politican and promote groupism
by KAUSTAV DASGUPTA on Apr 01, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
trust a complete idiot like u to post such stupid things.we all know that u r obsessed with Dravid but to keep on spreading ur idiotic gossip now really is the limit! uthappa got out and india were 3-1 ,and what do u expect? ganguly to hit 3 fours and a six and get out and india to get 200-250 runs all out?? u also say Ganguly wasted balls in the Bangladesh match,WHO THE HELL CARES BECAUSE OUR SUPER-STRONG BATTING LINE-UP LED BY DRAVID did NOT EVEN LAST 50 OVERS!!!i guess u`d have been happy to see Ganguly out for a duck and to see India 130 all out,just because he DARED TO SCORE MORE THAN DRAVID!!!!!
your statistics are all wrong.god knows from where u spun all these latest gossip stories. u may be a blind follower and servant of Dravid`s but don`t think u can spread such horrible stuff.Even Dravid `Sir`ji will not like it and u`ll lose ur job! When India win nowadays(that rarely happens abroad nowadays),YOU ACT AS IF IT IS A ONE-MAN TEAM OF DRAVID`s and WHEN THEY LOSE,YOU SAY IT`S BCOZ OF ALL THE OTHER 10!!!!! YOU LIKE STATISTICS,DON`T YOU? HERE ARE THE TRUE ONES-Dravid got 81 runs from 3 matches at 27.00 per match and Ganguly got exactly double from the same @ 54/match. Under Dravid-Chappell India have won just 3 matches(vs. Pak,WI and BERMUDA) ouside the subcontinent out of 15 matches! sweet stats,aren`t they?? u see,unlike u, I don`t take so much joy in bickering over such stupid things,so pls try to get some common sense,it comes cheap..
RE:ganguly is politican and promote groupism
by on Apr 02, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
Hi suman, I think u donot have any work then praising(negatively) Ganduly. If ganguly had played like u want then the team would have been bowled out of 100 odd in bangladesh match, and what did Dravid do in that circumstances, he is not able to denfend the score of 192, do u think he would defend 120 with his super bad captiancy. If ganguly played slow their is the reason, he atleasr tried the team to fell ashamed. Dravid had played throughout his carrier very slow, then he is also an cultrupt. do not balme a player who played for team, if played slow then his ability, becoz that is what situation demand And in Worldcup no player whil play selfish game, becoz no player wants to walk on perople's belief. So donot talk like a big dirty fool. Hopw u will change.
RE:Why Chappell is a FLOP...................................................................................
by Suman Bhat on Apr 01, 2007 12:19 PM Permalink
ganguly played negative cricket had big role in debacle of team inda's early exit from WC Ganguly innings in 3 matches were face saving, played for self, saving his wkt, not bother team win or lost, never tried to accelerate runrate, cost more runs to team by poor running bet wkt and unwilling to take singles, create pressure on other batamam, poor fielding , Batsman ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only to prove that dravid is not good captain and his WC records will remain unharmed It was all about attitude, feels BCCI NEW DELHI, "There are five players in the team whose attitude needs to be sorted out," the official stressed. When asked to name the players, he suggested names like Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh and Ajit Agarkar.
that contributed to our losses against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka." http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/It_was_all_about_attitude_feels_BCCI/articleshow/1839620.cms
Ganguly innings in 3 matches were face saving, played for self, saving his wkt, not bother team win or lost, never tried to accelerate runrate, cost more runs to team by poor running bet wkt and unwilling to take singles, create pressure on other batamam, poor fielding , Batsman ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only to prove that dravid is not good captain and his WC records will remain unharmed It was all about attitude, feels BCCI NEW DELHI, "There are five players in the team whose attitude needs to be sorted out," the official stressed. When asked to name the players, he suggested names like Sachin Tendulkar, Sourav Ganguly, Zaheer Khan, Harbhajan Singh and Ajit Agarkar.
that contributed to our losses against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka." http://worldcup.indiatimes.com/It_was_all_about_attitude_feels_BCCI/articleshow/1839620.cms ganguly is politician he used dalmiay a fellow bangali, when dalmiya had bcci power and backstabbed him when he lost bcci power dravid anchoed the ganguly's success as captaind but ganguly ditched him and betrayed the team ganguly is selfish, politicina he is promoting groupism in ind dressing room ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes ganguly in whole faced 266 balls nearly 50 overs and make only 162 runs, the how much pressure built on incoming bats man doesn't matter india wins or Lose Ganguly RETURN WAS HYPED BY MEDIA BUT HE WAS NOT IN TEAM UNIFROM ALSO AND HE DID NOT ARRIVE WITH TEAM?? The picute which tev channel shown after ind defeat in Sl . all players were in tears but no sight of ganguly dhoni and harbajan
RE:Why Chappell is a FLOP...................................................................................
by rayker rayker on Apr 01, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
err, isnt this a repeat message? more like a spam, dont get me wrong, you will never get the attention that you are seeking for by repeating the same message.
GREG CHAPPELL is the best, He's done his job,wjhat more he cd do just above advising t team or mgt, which treat him as a spy, then they shd 've found an indian coach to fit their demands, which unfortunately they never produced ever to t likes og Chappell,John Wright,the team players r themselves most irresponsible n hopeless always whether in India or Abroad;India shd play Gulli-danda
How many of the readers here must have read yesterday's article in the Times of India by IT chief NR Narayana Murthy? It is a must-read for everyone interested in the game. We, Indians, are just beginning to understand the importance of "processes" in any discipline and this change has come about only after globalization. The mantra, therefore, is "a good and incorruptible system, sound processes, conviction to implement such processes and above all, a rigorous self-discipline to stay along the course" until the final destination. Even beyond the destination, it is always "improvement" over your last attained goal and that is the way the world has progressed. Before pointing an accusing finger against Chappell (without knowing or having full facts of his terms of reference and whether his ideas were fully implemented or what was his strategy and how good the team was in implementing that strategy), we should have the candour to do some honest self-introspection. Let us not jump the gun. What NRN said about Infosys is bang on target. Let us not mock at the processes!
RE:Chappell bashing!
by Pushan Banerjee on Mar 30, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
Wonderful! Thank you for mentioning it. Great article. Wonder if Indian cricketers read it. Am sure not.
Now that some of the raw emotion unleashed at having had our nose rubbed in the ground by Bangladesh and our asses whooped by Sri Lanka has slowly dissipated, it is time for some analysis.
I have observed a persistent tone in some comments on my previous posts: that being that I am perpetually critical of Greg Chappell because I have an axe to grind with the man for his pro-active (to put it mildly) role in the removal of %u201CBong icon%u201D Sourav Ganguly. So let me, in clear words, with no trace of sarcasm that may be misunderstood, try to explain why I think Chappell has been an unmitigated disaster for this Indian team.
As we all know, Chappell has always been a proponent of %u201Ccurrent performance%u201D and not past records. Great. Now let us apply his own criterion on him.
What were Chappell%u2019s job responsibilities?
As a coach, he was primarily responsible for the technical aspects of the team%u2019s performance. Even seasoned stars, who you would think are finished products, develop chinks in their armour and it was Greg Chappell%u2019s job to see either personally or through delegation, that such problems, when and where they appear, were rectified.
Now the facts. Sehwag developed severe batting problems under his watch, much more serious than just a loss of form. Irfan Pathan atrophied away. Sourav Ganguly did some running repairs on his game, but after he was removed from the Chappell influence, forcibly. In other words, Greg Chappell has presided over the cricketing degeneration of some of our most talented players, a loss that cannot be explained by advancing years.
People might say that the blame for this lies with the players %u2013it is unfair to castigate Greg Chappell for it. Perhaps. But Chappell was responsible, in the wording of his designation as a %u201Ccoach%u201D, for their technical performances and making excuses (some of them valid) for his failure would be something that Chappell himself, if we take his professed ruthlessness at face value, would not condone.
What I mean is that if Chappell was judging some batsman%u2019s performance and the batsman concerned transferred the blame of his poor scores, perhaps justifiably, to his partner running him out a few times, getting impossible deliveries, having miraculous catches taken off him, poor umpiring decisions, too much pressure when he came to bat, bad state of the pitch %u2014would Chappell say %u201CI understand that%u201D or would he say %u201CSorry. Tough luck. You are ultimately responsible for your own performance. Kindly leave the excuses for your mom%u201D?
The second job responsibility of the coach is the formulation of tactics. Whether it be being part of a patently wrong decision of batting first on a green pitch or unimaginative field placings or the lack of any kind of surprise moves at crucial junctures, Chappell has little to point to as proof of having made a positive contribution as a strategist. Besides of course all that manic shuffling of the batting order: which is often sometimes the easiest way to show some tactical %u201Cactivity%u201D.
The third job responsibility was man management and creating a cohesive unit. I do not need to mention what a pathetic failure this man has been in that respect. It would have been bad enough had he simply been a passive observer of team dissent. But no, Chappell was himself as an active participant. Just a look at the way the late Bob Woolmer handled a much more volatile bunch of individuals in neighbouring Pakistan should be enough to convince how bad Chappell was. Emotional, angry and taking himself way too seriously, whether in showing the Calcutta crowd the middle finger or barking at reporters during the post-defeat press conference as if it was he who was the aggrieved one, Greg Chappell left no doubt as to how in times of stress, he became part of the problem than a part of the solution.
And finally motivation. The famous locker room speeches. The rousing background music.
Well at least he tried.
The evening started with medium-fast bowler Sreesanth occupying the centre-stage. Sreesanth%u2019s brother Dipu Santhan had penned and his brother-in-law, Madhu Balakrishnan, a singer in South, had sung a song for Team India-%u201DJago India%u201D in a video format.
In the video, one of the shots depict a young poor kid, with no cloth to cover his emaciated frame, holding the Indian tricolour and chanting the name Team India.
After the song was screened, coach Greg Chapell addressed the team and asked them to compare the scene with the picture of that old lady who was trying to climb over Wagah border to watch India play Pakistan in a cricket match.
Chappell, while comparing the two visuals, asked every member of the Indian team to remember that there are people in the country who despite their deprivations still support the Indian team with passion and spirit.
Chappell asked the team members to try and play Friday%u2019s game for countless similar Indians who back the team even when they are struggling with their own daily existence.
Chappell then coined a special slogan for the team%u2019s Friday%u2019s clash.
Chappell called it %u201CLet%u2019s do it for each other.%u201C
Maybe the cricketers heard %u201CLet%u2019s do it to each other%u201D. We cannot say. But I give Greg marks for trying. As also for doing a mean Bhangra.
However this is not the first time that Chappell has failed miserably. ICC Champion%u2019s Trophy. Malaysia. The list goes on. However each time we lost, we were told to look elsewhere: at this mythical process that Chappell had got going: a process by which individuals would be replaced by team-players, success and success only would be King and most importantly universal and objective standards would be applied for celebrity and neophyte alike.
This we were told was what Vision 2007 was and armed with management-speak, pyschobabble and De Bono%u2019s hats, Chappell was able to convince many that the chronic losses were irrelevant, player burn outs were inevitable %u2014everything had to forgiven at the altar of the %u201Cprocess%u201D and some pain had to be endured (kind of like how you know that Clearasil is working only when your pimples start tingling) for the land of milk and honey that lay ahead.
This was putting it simply the greatest trick Chappell ever pulled.
Through this hot air about %u201Cprocess%u201D, Chappell had created a masterful %u201CSikhandi%u201D: if you criticized Chappell, you were criticizing the %u201Cprocess%u201D and the %u201CAussie%u201D attitude we solely needed. And once the smoke and mirrors of the %u201Cprocess%u201D was firmly in place (with the help of some friends in the media), Greg and his acolytes (principally Kiran More) were left free to pursue battles of personal vendetta and agendas of a political nature. In the process, they subverted the very principles of objectivity and impartiality on which the rational process they claimed to believe in was based on.
Exemplifying. The problem with Chappell was not with his recommendation to drop Sourav Ganguly. It was with him making unsubstantiated statements like %u201D Sourav faked injury%u201D or engaging in innuendo of the form: %u201CBeing captain is essential for Sourav%u2019s finances%u201D. In other words, while the process should dictate dropping a person based on poor performance, it should have nothing to do with dragging that person%u2019s reputation through mud. But when did Greg give two hoots for any process?
The concept existed purely for his convenience.
And now this.
Beleaguered coach Greg Chappell was not happy with the composition of the Indian cricket team for the World Cup, it was revealed today.
Before leaving for the West Indies, Chappell, in an SMS to an Indian journalist Rajan Bala, claimed that senior players in the side resisted the inclusion of younger players and chief selector Dilip Vengsarkar sided with the seniors fearing a media backlash in case the young guns failed to fire.
%u201CEven in the last selection meeting, I fought for youth. The senior players fought against it and the chairman went with them out of fear of media, if youth did not perform,%u201D Chappell wrote in his SMS to Bala.
This message was sent to the writer on the morning of the one-day international against Sri Lanka at Visakhapatnam on February 17.
In the same SMS, the Australian observed young stumper-batsman Dinesh Kaarthick had leadership material.
%u201CKaarthick will be a very good batsman and by the way, he is a potential leader. You are also very right about Yuvi,%u201D Chappell said.
The coach was referring to the Bala%u2019s article in which he had not been very complimentary about Yuvraj Singh.
The writer had written %u201CHe might or might not develop to be the country%u2019s best future batsman, but let it be known that the possibility of his not being fully fit during the World Cup cannot be discounted. It is a risk that is being taken.
%u201CThe problem with Yuvraj is that he believes he is a star when he is only a rising one.%u201D
Chappell had also confided with the writer that %u201CSuresh Raina is a must. But he was not wanted.%u201D
What kind of process lets the coach of the national team get away, with no censure, by make uncharitable remarks about the people he manages to a press contact? Definitely not the same process by which Rahul Dravid ticks off Sourav Ganguly for getting a SMS from a reporter, where Ganguly was not, in any way, saying anything uncomplimentary about a player or divulging team divisions.
But the most regrettable legacy of Greg Chappell , more than the World Cup defeat or the myopic Vision 2007, is that he has given a few of India%u2019s former cricketers (many of whom peddle their words of wisdom on television channels) a whip to flog foreign coaches with. I saw recently a program on CNN-IBN when the clown, currently known as Krish Srikkanth, worked the audience up with %u201CWe need an Indian coach. No more foreign coach%u201D and the audience, in the throes of more than mild xenophobia, applauded and joined voices.
It is transparent to most of us that the reason the Yashpal Sharmas and the Kirti Azads and assorted other has-beens keep harping on Greg Chappell%u2019s %u201Cforeign-ness%u201D, as if that is the reason for why he is such a failure, is that these people want the job. And as the crowd falls under the charm of this kind of faux patriotism, what is forgotten is that India%u2019s greatest coach was a foreigner too, a humbler, kinder man than the one who currently occupies the post. A man who performed, a man who took a team ravaged by match fixing and made it, along with Dada, into a formidable fighting unit. A man, who was not without emotion or faults (he once grabbed Sehwag by the collar) but did not send furtive SMS-s to his plants in the media cribbing about his wards or go out of his way to humiliate a player whom he did not want in the team.
Unless his replacement is even worse, once Greg Chappell goes, we may hope that Indian cricket takes a turn for the better .
But what to do about the real culprits for Indian cricket%u2019s decline, the ones who cannot be removed, for whom Indian cricket is a money-making and favour-distributing opportunity, those who are immune to any form of accountability?
This dirty guy bringing inner conflict between Sourav and Dravid copletely ruined the prospect of winning this year world cup and indirectly clear the way for winning for Australian team. This I mentioned in rediff at the time of his conflict with Saurav.For this purpose he came and successfully done his job. Since he knew if Saurav remains as active and effective captain, under whose leadership Autralia was about to miss the last world in the final,it will be great prolem for the Australian this time so finish his effort in this direction.In the name senior and junior, he also fooled the BCC members and Sharat Pawar also due his peronal rivalry with Mr. Dalmia fueled to the fire at the cost of National interest and personal gain. Again this man(Chappel) is playing dirty game by creating difference in name of senior and junior . If Indians have little bit of self- respect and common sense to understand the concept of 'divide and rule' policy of which we were the victims of 250 years British rule, then without thinking a sngle moment send this traitor to his own country to do this none sense there. In india , we have plenty of good and experienced cricketers are there who can perform these jobs keeping national interest.Hope good sense will prevail and our nonsense politicians will keep these games and sports out of their dirty politics. S. K. Ghosh, Hyderabad.
