Personally, we need fresh blood in our team but replacing the whole lot is going to be very tricky.
I guess this is the maximum changes the selectors can make for the next serious:
Robin Uthappa/S Dhawan Gautam Gambhir, Virender Sehwag/M. Kaif M. Tiwary Rahul Dravid Yuvraj Singh R Sharma /S.Raina Dinesh Karthik/MS Dhoni Irfan Pathan, P Chawla Ramesh Powar, RR Bose Zaheer Khan, Munaf Patel S Sreesanth
We do not have a good India A team to replace the current one. Unfortunately we don%u2019t have enough spinners. I have created this list from the past 2 year%u2019s performance and 2007 Domestic competitions.
From the little knowledge I have in Cricket, we are lacking on skills. We have to do something about India A team.
RE:Changes to the team
by Sudhir Bisht on Mar 27, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
I agree with Aneet, however, now he is good for nothing !!! Past records are now past. Even , Sri Lankan captain said that Sachin got too good ball to play, that day, but still he seems past his prime every now and then....
RE:Changes to the team
by Srini on Mar 27, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
Folks,
My point is not about discussing on individual players, I am more concern about the future cricketers and young guns that we can turn into straight away.
I really want you guys to watch and learn and study the Ranji matches to see who is doing and how are they doing? Watching 15 of the international players are not good enough. Without knowing some of the potential players we can%u2019t talk.
We are a AGEING side and we need fresh legs.
Can you all name few good leg spinners and off spinners around apart from R. Power and P Chawla?
We are not here to fight but make an constructive discussion to find the future of the team otherwise we will do the same for the rest of the life.
RE:Changes to the team
by Aneet Grewal on Mar 26, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
you can get out for zero...but can u generate 10,009 runs hes has against top 8 test playin test teams? no didnt think so so shut up smartass
RE:Changes to the team
by Sudeep Behari on Mar 27, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
Gud one Aneet.....I mean how can someone be so dumb....Only people who can criticise Tendulkar....should atleast have played one International game......you dont know the pressure.....the effort.....the skillset....rest ur lazy ass on a couch watch on TV and draw such paranoid conclusions.....Go out and play even in Under 12 league and I bet it will be hard to score a thousand runs...forget 25000 runs tendulkar scored against Top International teams !!!!
RE:Changes to the team
by Aryaputra on Mar 27, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
I think you are missing the point entirely. If tendulkar cannot play under pressure then why call him great? great players deliver when their team needs them and that is why they are great. Tendulkar plays only for his centuries. He has never with the exception of one match played in any of the finals. I am sorry to say - he is not in the league of ponting or hayden or gilchrist or any of the greats playing today The sachin we speak of is only in our memories
RE:OUTSOURCING
by Anshuman Jain on Mar 26, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
if you are an indian then you are moron too. If not then you should mind your language.
The blame should lie on the coach and the captain. We have seen India always plays defensive cricket, in bating, bowling and fielding all three. Bowlers waith for the batsman to make a mistake, batters wait for the loose ball to score and fielders sleep, that's we lost all matches against the Windies this year.
They start playing offense only against Bermuda, Nambibia or Kenya. Now even Bangladesh is out of that group.
If this style of playing or coaching continues than India can not win any championships. There is no place for defensive cricket nowadays. We have to play cricket like scoring 8/over or our bowlers looking threatening to get quick wickets.
Study how Australia, South Africa, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh plays.
Dravid within 16 months did good job and equally good odi success what ganguly has in 5 yrs. Ganguly had full support of bcci and dalmiay prsd with ganguly for all 5 yrs of his captaincy. Nobody ex cricketer or board officials dare not speak against ganguly's blunders He continued to enjoy captaincy even his late 3 yers he was out form and non performing but he was forutnate that dravid sachin, kumble laxman sewag were all in form and contributed lot his success as captain more than ganguly leadership qualities Team won 26 out of 73 odis when sachin was captain Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when dravid was captian Both sachin and ganguly had more time as captain Out of 76 matches 38 matches won in india and 31 odis wins are against weaker team like kenya, nambia and Zimb Except Australia no other team is winning series consistanly there is always ups and downs Even when ganguly was captain there were wins and many humiliated defeat. Team did not win all series under his captaincy.
Team India did not win in SA when ganguly was also captain. Team had humiliated defeat by Kiwis( 56 all out a record) aussies, WI, Pakistan when ganguly was captain. Team had some lost test and odi series when ganguly was captain. John and ganguly build a team and watched how it collapsed. Team was ranked 8th in ICC odi ranking and it was broken ship when dravid made capatian Bangladesh beat India when ganguly was captian. Still it is not so good team Even team goes under dravid captain there is chance of winnin After SL series dravid removed from captaincy and made captain for Zim tour which India could have won even when dravid ware captain. Ganguly responsible for the outset of kumble, laxman, nayna mongia from the odi team he also spoiled the careear of Akash chopra, hemang badani, partiv patel, muali karthik, Ajay ratra, S gopan ramesh, SS das Even dravid encouraged yougnerst like raina, munaf, sresant, dinesh karthick, robin, also recommended payush chawla to share the ind team dressing room though even he is not part of team.
Statistics prove that dravid did equally good job just withing 16 months compared to ganguly%u2019s achived ment in 5 yrs and that he has no godfather in bcci the way ganguly had dalmiaya. I
RE:Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prov
by Kaushik Basu on Mar 26, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
Do you really believe in what you say or your just trying to justify Dravid?
Anyway I believe that only way to go forward looking at 2011 WC is remove all senior players aka Saurav, Sachin, Dravid, Kumble and Harbhajan and start building a new team. If serious enough, we would find replacement for all of them within due course.
RE:Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prov
by sanjib hpl on Mar 26, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
there is one more stats, under SG india used to loose in the finals, and with this RD we are going out in first round, wc, ICC, malaisa..
RE:Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prov
by jayasimha on Mar 28, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
SG losing in finals--stats for you--Format was different--we started equally badly--players were younger
You carry stupid stats which highlight how Tendulkar or a Ganguly scored a century and saved this great country of ours from world war three.The highs and lows that mean nothing. Wow...Ganguly scored 2 fifties and shewag even scored a century. Whats the point? They lost ultimately and did'nt score when it mattered the most lke Steve Waugh used to do time and time again for the aussies. You media are the real culprits highlighting these stupid datas and taking the public for a ride. Soon Tendulkar will score another 5 centuries in a drawn match against some so called minnows on Indian pitches and you guys wil go around boasting how your "Sachin" scored Tons instead of India winning. You guys stink to the core.But again thats how you make money i suppose.
RE:Myth and Truth about captaincy
by sanjib hpl on Mar 26, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
First RD won against SL and then against ENG in India, most of his wining record came from there, the Eng team was handicapped with injury and SL was half strength, stats prove nothing, and with this RD we are going out in first round, wc, ICC..
RE:Myth and Truth about captaincy
by Sudhir Bisht on Mar 27, 2007 08:29 AM Permalink
Yeah, SL was without deadly Vaas, and Maha Murali. Loosing to BD, speaks volume of the status...
RE:Myth and Truth about captaincy
by suvankar chakraborty on Mar 26, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Yes that might be true but India lost against Bangladesh. When Gangully was captained we didn't lost against them. That is the difference. You need to think logically before you make any comments.
Four years before we entered the WC final.Today we have an shamefull early exit.Instead of blaming cricketers based on regional bais lets see what was the cause as far as we can see. In 2003 the bowlers were able to take 10 wickets in a game in every match.All the fast bowlers were bowling at more than 140 kmph consistently.The opposition teams were not able to make even 200 (leave aside australia and pakis).We had a steady batting line up with every body knowing their responsibilities at any situation of the game.The team was much fitter and their fielding was much better (remember the runout of Knight by Kaif against England).While in the field it looked like a close unit with every body eager to share their thoughts to get wickets(we saw kaif,yuvi,sehwag and all the senior players consulting with ganguly).At that time India played so many one day internationals outside the sub continent giving the players a fair experience of playing in alien conditions.Now coming to this WC..let's see.... our fast bowlers can't even get bangladesh out in 50 overs.They seldom have a speed nearing 140 kmph.Their feilding reminds us of the 90's.The opening batsmen came into the team in feb 2007-with one player having no experience of one day internationals outside the sub continent and the other one making his comeback,knowing that if he does not perform its back to square one for him.The number three batsman was out of form in the last year and there was so much drama for his inclusion.Same goes for the (once a)little master.The captain does not know whn to bat and how to bat(he does not come when early wickets fall to steady the innings neither is he usefull in late overs when we need huge sixes).Yuvi just came to the team after the long layoff.Dhoni played some huge knocks previously.But he made those knocks here in placid wickets .He didn't face Murli outside india.More over we never had the bench strength in the WC squad(except Dinesh Karthick.. we dont know why he was there without being in the team after such a good show with the bat).And then we never saw any consultations among the players in the middle of the match.Even the vice caprtain was not involved(leave aside the other senior member who is still the most successfull captain of India).It again reminded me of the 90's team when players were there in their own dreamland and the captain was in his own.This team were not winning for almost the last one year. Only this feb they defeated a depleted West Indies and Sri Lanka without their two main strike bowlers(who took 5 wickets in that WC match) in India and we started to beleive that this is a World cup winning team.This is not just their fault.Tell me are any of these points invalid?
RE:What I see
by Selvakumar .M on Mar 26, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
whats ur point ? u blamed almost everybody in the team... we cannot hire all 11 new players and play in the worldcup.. even BCCI do that , it comes in ur point " player having no experience of one day internationals outside the sub continent ".... speaking of this worldcup 2007.... My suggestion is ... make Yuvi cap, and senior horses like sachin and ganguly should open and dravid shoul follow em, just to promote younger players ..... Someone should say Dhoni , you are not GHILCHRIST... not many big champions will have thought of going back when Murali has ball in his hands.. that shows Dhoni has absolutley no clue whatsover the Class Murali is ....
RE:What I see
by Dipanjan Ray on Mar 26, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
I agree with you on making Yuvi captain but not on having Sachin and Ganguly open the innings. Don't think that those rosy days are going to come back if they paired again. Basically tese seniors should now join hans and announce their retirement. There is still time for their honorable exit, rather than being thrown out latter in utter disgrace.
RE:RE:What I see
by yashwanth hemaraj on Mar 26, 2007 11:20 PM Permalink
Sachin had to open the innings.. he is best at that position and has consistently performed at opening even after his comeback from injury. I hope he gets back his position. He cant bat under extreme pressure. This has been his weakness. He is fluent at the start of innings. He can handle the seaming conditions well when he feels no pressure on him. However at the top of the innings he can bat freely like he did in the previous WC where he had his favourite position restored to him. Its intelligent captaincy to understand whats best for a player like in the case sanath jayasurya who has never come down lower in order even when the SL batting was in dire straits; why would you have someone like Sachin come down lower in the order which is doingno good. Virender is good but his weaknesses have been identified. SO he has to be given time to work on it. Till then Sachin should open.
RE:What I see
by Sudhir Bisht on Mar 27, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Well said for Sachin by all, but one feels pain, to say that now even if he opens, he will falter. He has become over cautious now , something is in mind which doesn't seems to be curable ( too late now). Better he shud hang his boots ASAP !!
I am like one among the billions in cricketing woirld felt or feeling absolutely dejected cas of our guys performance in the Worldcup ...... My suggestions... 1. I do agree our old horses like saurav and sachin didnt perform well whn time really counts .... but look at our bowling attck ? Kumble, Harbajan - Never in their dreams they spin the ball ..... Zaheer ... ups and downs.. Agarkar - he is bowler after 15 overs not to open.. Sree and Patel -yet to prove thier talent.... Youvi should be our future cap.. and sachin rahul and saurav should support him and promote young players ... AND BCCI SHOULD OPENLY COME OUT SAYING "RAHUL SACHINA DN GANGULY WILL NEVER BE CAP HERAEFETR " WE NEED THIER SUPPORT TO PROMOTE YOUNG PLAYERS...(just to inject to our big 3 that you will play only to promote youngsters)
RE:Indian team's plight
by narayanan vigneshwar on Mar 26, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
i agree to the point that india's bowling is not up to the mark.but i dont agree kumble is useless.who do you think other than murali & warne spin the ball.infact,kumble has won more matches than sachin,dravid & ganguly put together.remember in 1992,he got 6-12 against WI boasting richie richardson,lara & hooper in eden gardens.spinners like chandresekar & derek underwood have posed problems for WI batsmen of 70s and 80s.if kumble was not playing,india would have been striped of test status
Indian team clearly lacked intensity and desire to go through it. I remember dravid commenting that he looks at Worlcup as just another match which clearly shows his lack of understanding on the crickets penultimate goal (The WorldCup) and how much he desires to win it.
It's like an athlete competing in olympics saying it's just another run.
RE:Desire & Passion
by jayasimha on Mar 28, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
what do you expect him to do--add more hype to what the stupid media has done--all of you talk as if all cricketers are morons.
