Mr Swarup's article is very well thought out and touched almost all facets of India's performance in last year or so, except one. He has not mentioned how the young brigades have scorched the cricket fields all over the world by their performance.
Instead of discussing on the failed individual players, shall we put some thought over the future cricketers and young guns that we can turn into straight away?
I really want you guys to watch and learn and study the Ranji matches to see who is doing what and how are they doing? Watching 15 of the international players are not good enough. Without knowing some of the potential players we can%u2019t talk.
It is very scary to read chairman of selector saying we don%u2019t have exceptional talented pool in India. May be it is time to reflect on that issue than talking just old statistics.
We are a AGEING side and we need fresh legs.
Can you all name few good leg spinners and off spinners around apart from R. Power and P Chawla?
We are not here to fight but make a constructive discussion to find the future of the team otherwise we will do the same for the rest of the life.
RE:New players and future
by Rairankandath Satish on Mar 27, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
In the future the best way to cope with this nightmare that is currently staring at our faces is:
By ensuring that all the national level cricketers complete their domestic committments first and foremost before being considered for selection for any training camp;
To give more preference to the members of the team who come winners and the first two runners up in domestic cricket - so as to ensure that the competitive spirit to perform will always be there;
To have two separate teams for the tests and the ODI, with just a few players playing both versions of the game (solely based on the performance at the domestic level in both versions of the game);
To work on a rotation basis of players whenever any country visits India - both for the tests and the ODI's - so as to test the combative spirit of the players under trying circumstances;
To send two different teams for an away series -both for the tests and the ODI's;
Once a player is selected for the series at home or for an away one - a clear message must be sent across that if performance is not forthcoming then the axe is there for sure - do it to one prominent player and I am sure the rest will fall in line. By doing this the so -called greats will also have their tail up.
The board should work on the plan for any series in the country or away from it, based only on the completion of the domestic tournaments and not the other way round;
To identify all the various test and ODI playing venues in the country and take more interest in preparing pitches of world class standards - having the right curators to do the same;
To ensure a certain amount of ceiling on endorsements that a player should be allowed at any given time(we all need to ponder on how this can be done);
The BCCI should be devoid of all politicians - it should be truly represented by the past cricketers from all the regions of the country who will take rotations for the various posts based on the elections that should be held from time to time - with a strict code that no person can hold the same office after two successive stints and thereafter too.
There was a suggestion on match fees reduction for any loss - I am not sure how that can be enforced - because I do not subscribe to the theory that all matches have to be won.
read most of the articles. and even though we r out of WC we still r fighting over petty isues like who is better dravid or ganguly. both were bad because if they played better we might still be in world cup this is the problem with indian cricket we are trying all the time to prove that our fav cricketer is better than others, we should be worrying more about our fav cricketer being better than players from other teams, and this is the same about captaincy. ganguly is no longer a captain and we should forget about it now and be more serious about playing cricket no matter who the captain is. these r the distractions which r causing our team not to play good cricket,need more focus on cricket not on politics of cricket rest regarding bangladeshi cricketers feeling bad about indians not calling them over to play ith them let bangladesh say what they want. the actual problem is if the cricket players are proffesionals which they are, then they should take every match seriously no matter what team they are playing. hope our players didnt buy into all the hype about them winning this time. loks like they did and took it easy against bangladesh. no problem about not calling bangladesh to play in our country, shoul actually play australia and south africa more often if we want to become a beter team rather than worry about feelings of bangladesh. and we shouldnt be so emotional and get hurt by comments from every tom dick harry or pontings of this world. play cricket and good cricket and let other people comment, thats the mantra that indian cricket needs, thats the focus they need and not get distracted by other things
BCCI will start searching scapegoats.Most obvious ones will be Greg Chappel & Rahul Dravid. Greg Chappel tried unsuccessufully to instill discipline, professionalism & team work. He gave emphasis to personal health & fitness for all the playes which was lagging. Indians never understood the way Aussie's look at the game. For them only one thing matters i.e. Performance. Greg tried to instill 'Perform or Perish' formula in the team where most of the so called 'GREATS' get selected only by their performance against minnows and most of them play for their personal glory. I ask everybody who vying for Dravid's blood.. can any of the so called greats except for Dravid delivered in the match which mattered the most?? Dravid is not called 'The Wall' for nothing?? Now who will take over from Dravid... Ganguly...We all know about Ganguly's politics. Sachin... he used be god one's upon a time.. overhyped crickter.
In the game against Bangladesh. Our players appeared lazy and complacent.They have underestimated Bangladesh. That defeat put India out of World Cup. Yes you can be lazy against Bermuda or Canada or even with Scotland but not with Bangladesh. It is result of poor planning. Players should taught to be serious and play at their best even with so called minnows. Same thing happened in 1999 they have lost of Zimbabwe in the first game. Players should produce their best even if the opponent may be a minnow country. After the Victory over India look what a member of Bangladesh Board had said, BCCI has not invited Bangladesh to Play test matches in India, only because they are minnows and BCCI does not want to waste money by inviting them. And it appears that Sri Lankan team also want to take some sort of revenge against India or they want to make favours to their ex-coach Mr.Whittamore. Okay we are out of World Cup. We are out every team in the world has got word or two against our team. Ponting said it is better Indian team must look at themselves than commenting on others. So our players and team become target of International Criticism after our debacle in the World Cup. So BCCI should now think about building a team which can win outside our sub-continet and prove everybody wrong. The comments made be Bangladeshi Board Member or Australian players like Ponting, Mark waugh,refererring to Gavaskar has actually heart the feelings of All Indians.
RE:collective failure
by bhuvnesh nindrajog on Mar 27, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
let bangladesh say what they want. the actual problem is if the cricket players are proffesionals which they are, then they should take every match seriously no matter what team they are playing. hope our players didnt buy into all the hype about them winning this time. loks like they did and took it easy against bangladesh. no problem about not calling bangladesh to play in our country, shoul actually play australia and south africa more often if we want to become a beter team rather than worry about feelings of bangladesh. and we shouldnt be so emotional and get hurt by comments from every tom dick harry or pontings of this world. play cricket and good cricket and let other people comment, thats the mantra that indian cricket needs, thats the focus they need and not get distracted by other things
Yet Greg Chappel deserves a second chance? You need a clean Wash out of Indian Team Mr. Arjun Swarup from the Cricket World? Please take into consideration of the sentence: the ex-cricketers, never fond of the idea of a foreign coach, are already at work, led by the irrepressible Sunny G. Very funny thing; keep a fox as baby sitter of chickens, like is if we again consider to keep in position as our team coach to Greg Chappel. Being we are available with very many exalted ex-cricketers why we should go outside India to find a coach for Indian Team. Greg Chappel should have gone out from the ground itself from where he preached our Team and all the team members are equally responsible for the failure of the strength before the little boys of Bengla Desh. How easily they have beaten back and ousted the poor Indians. The result: a confused team, unclear about what mode to take on the field, haphazard selections, and defensive, unsure play. And for this, the blame lies solely on the shoulders of one man, and that man is Greg Chappell only, and it is not (100 times repeat) Rahul Dravid, and if we are yet blaming to Rahul Dravid would be a Himalayan Blunder. (Arjun Swarup has some sort of personal uneasiness with Dravid, we feel) We feel to add one more thing. Please note that in our country, without any bounds of Zone, religion, caste or creed, huge innocent human beings are here who are finding faith on Mr. Rahul Dravid and confidence in his ability. We simply remember the situation to how tactically the Simhalians played with our team and ousted us from qualifying, and who blame Mr. Rahul answer where were our CHAPPELL and failed to establish/advise proper network and tactics. More over, he always made conflicts among the team members knowingly created distress and made loop holes for dissatisfaction in them. Thus it is our hearty feelings that Greg Chappel should be removed immediately as he is not at all faithful to our Team or to Our Nation
Greg said-The preparation was good, but the execution on the day was not- a plausible simile is:The operation is successful but the patient is dead! Was he addressing in the gatherings of fools?
Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 months compared to ganguly ' 5 yrs Dravid within 16 months did good job and equally good odi success what ganguly has in 5 yrs. Ganguly had full support of bcci and dalmiay prsd with ganguly for all 5 yrs of his captaincy. Nobody ex cricketer or board officials dare not speak against ganguly's blunders He continued to enjoy captaincy even his late 3 yers he was out form and non performing but he was forutnate that dravid sachin, kumble laxman sewag were all in form and contributed lot his success as captain more than ganguly leadership qualities Team won 23 out of 76 odis when sachin was captain Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when dravid was captian Both sachin and ganguly had more time as captain Out of 76 matches 38 matches won in india and 31 odis wins are against weaker team like kenya, nambia and Zimb Dravid did not loose any odi series at home ( even SA it was drawn 2-2) and 2 matchs against ZImb Except Australia no other team is winning series consistanly there is always ups and downs Even when ganguly was captain there were wins and many humiliated defeat. Team did not win all series under his captaincy. Team India did not win in SA when ganguly was also captain. Team had humiliated defeat by Kiwis( 56 all out a record) aussies, WI, Pakistan when ganguly was captain. Team had some lost test and odi series when ganguly was captain. John and ganguly build a team and watched how it collapsed. Team was ranked 8th in ICC odi ranking and it was broken ship when dravid made capatian Bangladesh beat India when ganguly was captian. Still it is not so good team Even team goes under dravid captain there is chance of winnin After SL series dravid removed from captaincy and made captain for Zim tour which India could have won even when dravid ware captain. Ganguly responsible for the outset of kumble, laxman, nayna mongia from the odi team he also spoiled the careear of Akash chopra, hemang badani, partiv patel, muali karthik, Ajay ratra, S gopan ramesh, SS das Even dravid encouraged yougnerst like raina, munaf, sresant, dinesh karthick, robin, also recommended payush chawla to share the ind team dressing room though even he is not part of team.Statistics prove that dravid did equally good job just withing 16 months compared to ganguly%u2019s achived ment in 5 yrs and that he has no godfather in bcci the way ganguly had dalmiaya.
RE:RE:captaincy myth
by Dan Lewis on Mar 27, 2007 10:04 AM Permalink
Didnt you go to the mental hospital yesterday or you ran away.....you need a cage I guess....
RE:captaincy myth
by Ifear paceman on Mar 27, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Dear you can not fight a girl who has brought forward a point. You resorting to abusing. Be brave or hang up.
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by Ifear paceman on Mar 27, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Dear Dan you can not fight a girl who has brought forward a point. You resorting to abusing. Be brave or hang up.
RE:captaincy myth
by Souvik Das on Mar 27, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Suman, we are happy to learn from you that Rahul Dravid is the greatest captain of all times who has successfully lead the team to the most disastrous performance in the world cup. Dont worry I wholeheartedly support Dravid. It is because of him that Indian corporate productivity would be sustained over April and SRK might get new oxygen for his KBC. So ultimately the geratest captain is one who servers the country best. It is our economic growth and corporate productivity that do good to the country and not victory in world cup cricket. So I agree Rahul is the best captain ever.
RE:captaincy myth
by Suman Bhat on Mar 27, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
Captaincy record for gangul y and dravid statistics prove dravid did equally good job in 16 months compared to ganguly ' 5 yrs Dravid within 16 months did good job and equally good odi success what ganguly has in 5 yrs. Ganguly had full support of bcci and dalmiay prsd with ganguly for all 5 yrs of his captaincy. Nobody ex cricketer or board officials dare not speak against ganguly's blunders He continued to enjoy captaincy even his late 3 yers he was out form and non performing but he was forutnate that dravid sachin, kumble laxman sewag were all in form and contributed lot his success as captain more than ganguly leadership qualities Team won 23 out of 76 odis when sachin was captain Team won 76 odis out of 147 matches when ganguly was captain Team won 33 odis out of 65 ( including this WC matches) when dravid was captian Both sachin and ganguly had more time as captain Out of 76 matches 38 matches won in india and 31 odis wins are against weaker team like kenya, nambia and Zimb Dravid did not loose any odi series at home ( even SA it was drawn 2-2) and 2 matchs against ZImb Except Australia no other team is winning series consistanly there is always ups and downs GABGULY DITCHED DRAVID BY PLAYING NEGATIVE CRICKET. if any win there won't be a change in cataincy. And ganguly won't get such huge stage like WC to humiliate dravid , so exit from the wC means provend dravid poor captain and many will praise ganguly &he will say infront of media that he is not interested in captaicy. but will do everything to regain captaicy or it goes to one of his chamachass ganguly fans do not like if anybody speak about ganguly's dadagiri..
RE:captaincy myth
by kuntal banerjee on Mar 27, 2007 05:04 PM Permalink
Dear Suman, Why are u not understanding that we also won in Australia, Pakistan and England under Ganguly which no captain of India even thought of..and more to say in these series Ganguly also performed with the bat... Forgot the 100 at Brisbane when the big guns failed...HE is the one who brought the attitude in the team go against the gora players...Well don't be regionally biased my friend..We all support Dravid and no doubt he is one of the greatest players..But once upon a time he was been put out of Indian team but Ganguly made him wear the wicket keeper gloves and brought him to the team. My friend ,Ganguly made the team to think positive...Without good leadership you can never find support from the young players like Yuvraj,Bhajji and Sehwag..who supported there ex captain when he was put out of the team. Now the important point is why after the team which reached the finals in 2003 WC always degraded as team in last three years...there are huge number of reasons...that is what the board has to find out...One major reason is useless vision 2007 of Chappel and a mum captain Like Dravid... THINK ABOUT IT.......
RE:RE:captaincy myth
by Suman Bhat on Mar 28, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
instead abusing come with valid points gagnuly fans starts abusing by posting some rubbish if anybldy talks about ganguly's dadagiri
Winning or defeat in matches depends on performance of XI players irrespective of captain, coach, pitch, stretagy and conditions. Bangladesh and SL victory against India is best example. Ganguly is cunning politican there is more groupism and politcs in team after his return. Ganguly played a big role in defeat of of team ind against bangadesh and sabotage Indian campaign in World cup. ganguly is main culprit for defeat against bangladesh. He is politician he his supporters played negative cricket deliberately to defeat the team and humiliated dravid and chappell. He played for self and scored consistanly but not a single innings was not held for team victory. How can his negative approcha helped team?? Hew as playing silly shot getting out when team required his service. His innings was shaky.ganguly wasted more balls than the runs he scored. The strikerate and average of bangadesh and other country opening players are better when compared to ganguly averagel His poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada he scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Harbajan singh went wktless in 2 matches dhoni failed with bat Zahirkahn was wktless in firest match and in he took 2 wkts against SL but he gave more extra runs b'cuz of erratic bowling. VC captain sachin failed completely with bat Dravid was criticsed by chief selector and board members and ex cricketers but he was highest rungetter, and scored 100 and won mom. Other players din not score 100 against even Bermuda also%u2026 iit is these playrs contributed to team defeat why u blame coach and captain only. I If these players are not ready to play for team and why u captain and coach coach? IF CAPTAN AND COACH HAS TO GO THEN ALL THESE PLAYERS ARE ALSO EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEFEAT AND SHOULD BE KICKED OUT.. A captain is as good as his team. But teammates are not ready to support captain, not to perform for team cause what captian can do for that?/ How can captain inspire the such players who are not ready to play for team???
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by ivaturi kishore on Mar 27, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
you need a mental checkup. pls visit a psychiatric, the bill is on me. get your understanding right.
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Suman Bhat on Mar 27, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
ganguly fans do not like anybody to speak against his dadagiri They start abusing by posting some rubbish msg using filthy msg. Stat prove dravid is doing equally good job in last 16 months when compared to ganguly %u2018s 5 yr success. GABGULY DITCHED DRAVID BY PLAYING NEGATIVE CRICKET. if any win there won't be a change in cataincy. And ganguly won't get such huge stage like WC to humiliate dravid , so exit from the wC means provend dravid poor captain and many will praise ganguly &he will say infront of media that he is not interested in captaicy. but will do everything to regain captaicy or it goes to one of his chamachass ganguly fans do not like if anybody speak about ganguly's dadagiri..
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Souvik Das on Mar 27, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
Yes Suman. I am with you. Not only did Ganguly himself play negative cricket but he influenced Sachin, Dhoni, Robin and Dravid himself. In fact he also told Yuvi to run in a way he himself would never do. Its a nexus that worked against Dravid. But Ganguly must be a genius. He could influence Dravid himself to play against himself in the Bangladesh match. Dravid is such a nice guy to fall in the trap of Dada - the sly fox. But you dont worry Suman ... so what if during Dada's captaincy India went on to the final, so what if during Dada's captaincy India drew with Aussies in Australia, so what is during Dada's captaincy India beat Pak in Pak ... some great thinker like you already said before you that the scoreboard is an ass. I pray the BCCI relieves Dravid, the nice guy, of this unholy nexus and make the sly fox captain to make the ass scoreboard tick for India again.
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by kuntal banerjee on Mar 27, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
well said souvik...great job...Suman needs some brainwash at the nearest mental clinic
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by kuntal banerjee on Mar 27, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
suman tell me getting 50% marks out of 100 is more credible or getting 50% out of 20 is credible..Ganguly maintained the record for 5 years and dravid only 16 months... You should go out of your house and shout anti ganguly slogan...you should bring an anti ganguly campaign in this country..Useless person you need a good mental checkup....
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Ravi Subramaniam on Mar 27, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
The whole team is responsible. So what ? Accepting the responsibility, means you think other teams will give a walkover to India and make INdian team as the champion ?
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Sudipto Ghosh on Apr 01, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
I do not agree with you on that Suman. If my understanding is right then Ganguly was there to play the anchor role (evident in the match against Bermuda) while other players like Sehwag and Uthappa play the shots. Similar strategy to what most successful teams use. It was unfortunate for India that they always ended up losing early wickets and 3 and 4 down didn't score much either. I suppose in retrospect Ganguly should have been allowed to play his natural game especially when he is in such good form. Having said that I would ask the question: Was it better to stay at the wicket for a while in difficult batting conditions or to get out early trying to hit like Sehwag and Uthappa did?? I am open to critcism and comments.
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Dan Lewis on Mar 27, 2007 10:05 AM Permalink
Didnt you go to the mental hospital yesterday or you ran away.....you need a cage I guess....
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Ifear paceman on Mar 27, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Dear Dan you can not fight a girl who has brought forward a point. You resorting to abusing. Be brave or hang up.
RE:whoel team is responsible for defeat
by Arup Palit on Mar 27, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
as a whole it is a stupid message. if we go through ur message it is clear that dravid is not wanted by his team members. so he should take the moral resposibility and resign.
