guys..i love the boy pathan..and all that he has to offer!! i used to predict a wicket atleast once every 2 overs. however,i am a realist and realise that he has lost the swing and movement..doesnt stop me loving him but i know he isnt ready to come back!!its not a case that we dont love him anymore..more like will he be useful for us??i dont think so..sorry! (oops..whats the alternative??)
RE:pathans biggest fan!!
by KSatish on Feb 26, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
Exactly there is no alternative. Worst come worse can fill in a batsmen shoes with a potential to bowl. So I dont see him starting in the first 11 in the first game. I see him playig once some body like Uthappa or sehwag fail. I think they maight play him ahead of karthik.
RE:RE:pathans biggest fan!!
by gundala swamy on Feb 26, 2007 04:02 AM Permalink
Sehwag will be always willing to give place to other players in the final eleven as he is a continuous failure, out of form forever. We need to encourage players like pathan and uthappa as they are the future of indian cricket.
If Irfan was not selected everyone in India would be upset.......and atleast Irfan has proven himself unlike RP singh and VRV singh.....u cannot depend on them.......i am sure he'll regain his form and if he does, as a bowling allrouder he could win the WC for India
RE:Irfans the best option
by Crazy Human on Feb 26, 2007 01:10 AM Permalink
Why would everyone be upset? I dont think everyone wanted Pathan to be included in the team. His form with the ball as you mentioned is pathetic, and with batting he is ok(avg 25 in ODIs). As it is, i dont think he will ever be among the first choices for the staring XI. He will mostly remain a tourist.
RE:RE:Irfans the best option
by sameer naik on Feb 26, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
dude 25 for an allrounder is not a bad avg..
I am sure you know who is the best all rounder india has ever produced, but i doubt you know his average its just 23... similarly Botham,akram, Hadles, imram khan...they avg around 25..
So dude 25 for an allrounder is not a bad average at all
RE:RE:RE:Irfans the best option
by sameer naik on Feb 26, 2007 06:16 AM Permalink
and its an accepted fact that allrouders are always crucial to team's sucess and balance...and if there is one in india currently..its only Irfan Pathan!
All u brought on people cricising pathan,first see ur self where u exist in ur own life,i exist well then all of u,and u mindless creatures have provoked me,have u ever thought oneday is a batsman game,any bowler is ruined,but pathan is a added bonus,atleast he has two options to clik,wt abt sreesanth ,agarkar?He is a talent otherwise u craps were not waisting ur time .Try to give respect to deservers
RE:all u duffers
by Crazy Human on Feb 25, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
who r u to tell the rest of us not to criticize Pathan. Who gave u the right to praise Pathan. In the same way that u can praise Pathan, anyone can criticize Pathan. India is a free country
RE:all u duffers
by Nikhil P on Feb 25, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
yeah you exist in a mcdonalds, i guess. No need to respect losers. Only losers respect other losers.
Also, care to ask how pathan became an added bonus after his stupid play in a domestic match?
RE:RE:all u duffers
by KSatish on Feb 26, 2007 12:03 AM Permalink
pathan is only picked hoping he would perform like the bowler he has been and the batsmen he is. But for his form he is not there yet. But I feel he should be picked cos he is a good talent to have.
For now I dont even see him in the playing 11 though.
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by naseer khan on Feb 26, 2007 12:38 AM Permalink
hey frnd u r missing a trick here to win.u need pathan somewhere coz he can b very handy with bat n u knw the pitches will b with low bounce n pace so keep pathan in 11 in palce of sehwag who is playing as an allrounder now.
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by Crazy Human on Feb 26, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
strong batting line-up, but the problem is only 4 bowlers, all the other part-time bowlers are going to be whacked.
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by Sandeep M on Feb 26, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
Uthappa/Sehwag Ganguly Dravid Tendulkar Yuvraj Dhoni Pathan Agarkar Harbhajan Kumble Zaheer
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by Nikhil P on Feb 26, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
then why didn't they pick him before this match? He onlyt showed his weeknesses in this match so why pick him after this match when you expected to play him well? Do selectors and pathan supporters think the rest are fool?
RE:all u duffers
by hellboy on Feb 26, 2007 12:38 AM Permalink
What abt agarkar? He is not a 6-feet broad shouldered hunk, but he is not only a better bowler and fielder than pathan but also a better batter if Mr azzar had given him the chances that dravid had given pathan.
RE:RE:all u duffers
by neha on Feb 26, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
Agreed agarkar's case is unfortunate.But why blameit on Irfan?Why not give him a chance?why repeating the mistakes once carried out with agarkar.Do you want to create another Agarkar?You have to instill confidence in your youngsters&boost their morale.Great players are not made in a day.You have to groom thes talented youngsters for that. Rightly said""If you consider fielding as priority,I don't know where to put Sehwag.He show some "unbelievable"acrobatics till he got selected..after that???Well I don't think one will get a second chance to see a replay of that glorious run out in the last ODI in any form of cricket, not even in a school tournament!!!""
RE:RE:all u duffers
by Sandeep M on Feb 26, 2007 03:21 AM Permalink
Better Bowler yes, better fielder yes but not a better batsman. agarkar is hopeless as a batsman and Pathan is almost good enough to be a top order batsman. Irfan Pathan the batsman is only slightly inferior to dinesh Karthick; not much of a difference!
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by sameer naik on Feb 26, 2007 04:49 AM Permalink
Will be better to include both agarkar and pathan...both these guys are better fielders, batsmen than the rest of the bowlers We should sacrifice either zak or munaf...
RE:RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by sameer naik on Feb 26, 2007 06:55 AM Permalink
also agarkar holds the record of fastest 50 by an indian..as a bastmen in 22 balls...and io have seen him swing couple of matches with the bat...and win (let me know if you need details, top of the head i remembre one mtach he made 26 in 12 balls against sri lanka ...while we were chasing..and hit winning runs just in time) so may be he has the potential but has not lived upto expectations ...may be he was not handled better..bu team Having said that i agree irfan patahn better batsman...but just that agarkar is not 'hopeless' as far as batting is concered... and certainly better than rest of the bowlers
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by sum abc on Feb 26, 2007 07:57 PM Permalink
To sacrifice Zaheer....never possible. How many bowlers have taken 18 wickets in his 1st world cup?
RE:RE:all u duffers
by dheeraj khanna on Feb 26, 2007 01:10 AM Permalink
i fully agree with views on Agarkar. he has done well and could have done better if given more chances.
RE:RE:RE:all u duffers
by dhilna kv madhavan on Feb 26, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
Its true that agarkar's case is unfortunate.But why blame irfan unnecessarily?why not give him a chance?why repeating the mistakes once carried out with agarkar.You need to show confidence in your youngsters.they don't emerge matchwinners overnight! If you consider fielding as priority,I don't know where to put Sehwag.He show some "unbelievable"acrobatics till he got selected..after that???Well I don't think one will get a second chance to see a replay of that glorious run out in the last ODI in any form of cricket, not even in a school tournament!!!"REALLY MATCH WINNING ATTITUDE!!!HUH.."
as always, selectors think indian fans are fool. They were saying pathan will have to prove himself in this match. Is this the proof they were looking for?
RE:what this means
by Crazy Human on Feb 25, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
i think poor india had no choice. India needed an allrounder and those selectors havent groomed or tried to groom any alternate allrounders, so they have to go with the loser Pathan. I think a better option would have been to pick a regular batsmen or a regular bowler
RE:RE:what this means
by jay de on Feb 26, 2007 06:52 AM Permalink
Please, show a little more respect when u use adjectives about our own country....INDIA is NEVER POOR and that too for not having a so called allrounder...Best regards..
Whats new in it...he'l get cleared anyway..he just had to complete the formalities...these peolple only made pathan feel that he's a batsman..and now they want him to see again as a bowler..its not form or anything... sehwag cleared....pathan cleared...munaf cleared.... Now its clear...WC also cleared!
RE:cleared
by Sandeep M on Feb 25, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Not if you volunteer to carry drinks and towels for players. A steamer will leave for the Caribbean on the 28th of February. There is space in the dark room of the steamer for a scumbag like you!!
RE:RE:cleared
by Nikhil P on Feb 25, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
I chose to forgive you for personal attacks. But I want to point out that you are one of those rare people who think the following bowling figure in the domestic cricket qualifies one to bowl in the world cup.
RE:RE:RE:cleared
by ronnie foru on Feb 26, 2007 12:58 AM Permalink
yes it does and there is a valid reason for this. As its domestic cricket it means its being played in India and here we have flat piches which r batsmen friedly and bowlers have little to do and in such scenarios i consider these figures are competetive.
RE:RE:RE:cleared
by Sandeep M on Feb 26, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
One match does not qualify you to cast aspersions on any individual, do you judge yourself so harshly? if yes, and you set very high standards for yourself in life, then i take back whatever i said in the previous post! Otherwise, never expect others to be or do what you can't be or are incapable of. This applies to every individual in this forum and not just to you! It is unlikely that all people in this forum are top of the line in whatever they do, yet they expect only the very best from our cricketers all the time! don't you think it is a bit unfair? Coming back to Pathan, remember that the WC has a preliminary round in addition to warmup matches. Rest assured that Pathan is conserving himself for the big ones! Also, with Pathan in the team, we would be able to go with two spinners in the team. Zaheer, Agarkar/Munaf, Pathan, Harbhajan and Kumble, this bowling lineup wqould be required if you want to stuff the aussies or the SA guys!! Without Pathan, you cannot go with two spinners which then takes out the advantage we may enjoy over Aus or SA who are weak against quality spin bowling. With two spinners in the team, we will be favourites to beat England, NZ, SA and aus in the super 8. Forget what i said in the previous post!
RE:PATHAN IS MORE HANDSOME
by Sandeep M on Feb 26, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
If handsomeness is the criterion on which players were getting selected, then Munaf Patel wouldn't have been in the team!!
In your message column,I was surprised to see that 90 percent people who have written are cricket illitrate.70 percent must have never held a cricket bat in their hand.What comes out here is only their personal frustration.
RE:Selection of Irfan Pathan
by Crazy Human on Feb 25, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
if you believe that just because common people are cricket illiterate, they have no right to comment on cricketers, you are mistaken. It is because of the support of common people that cricketers are enjoying such a good life. It is their duty to listen to us.
RE:RE:Selection of Irfan Pathan
by fareed parker on Feb 25, 2007 10:57 PM Permalink
I understand yr feelings do not take it personal but selection commitee is there to decide what type of bowler or batsman is required for the team,and why not leave the job to them.
RE:RE:RE:Selection of Irfan Pathan
by Nikhil P on Feb 25, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
selectors and cricketers are all the same people. The government should tax BCCI at 90% tax rate. Only then they will select right players for the team.
RE:Indias chance
by neha on Feb 26, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
C'mmon don't talk like a loser!It seems that You lost out to Irfan to play for India!.God save"Team India" Why not be optimistic atlest sometimes???
I think our selectors pick people of Indian origin only Lots of other teams have people with foreign origin in the team.. eg England, West Indies, etc.. we should also get some cross cultural people who can make a difference to the team
RE:Selection - Narrow Minded
by Nikhil P on Feb 25, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
england and west indies players are uk or west indies citizens. What are you talking about, meena? All west indian players are from their own culture. I think you yourself are narrow minded and have narro knowledge about the world.
RE:Selection - Narrow Minded
by eshwar eshwar on Feb 25, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Its not narrow mindedness my dear..the countries which u were mentioning..England and WI are equal to the area of one state in India. They dont have much potential..so they pick up only based on talent...and though India has lot of talented players,they r unable to make a mark in the international arena..So there is no need to pick peolple from other origin...India has loads of them... Think globally ..act locally
RE:RE:Selection - Narrow Minded
by Crazy Human on Feb 25, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
India has loads of bowlers who can bowl at 130 km/h, but not one guy who can bowl at 150. I think meena is right, we need to get cross-cultural fast bowlers who bowl at more than 145km/h, so that we can also scare the oppostion
