RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by Varadarajan Ramachandran on Feb 24, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
I believe that there was a tip from some one that the reason for his Bowling failure could be the way in which his thumb grips the ball. I am sure he is taking care of the point. While I am hoping that he would gain his Wicket taking deliveries back,I have another suggestion. I strongly believe that he should start bowling some slow spinning stuff. Follwing are the reasons: - Many times we have seen slow bowlers like Gyle,Jaya Soorya, Sachin etc. are very effective under certain conditions and certain pitches. - Irfan can bowl slow flat Left arm spinners ( or break)more accurately - as desired by the captain - than " Sachin" or " Shewag" since Irfan is naturally a bowler. - In that case Irfan would become a good Utility men. His confidence will increase - Also when Irfan bowls some overs of slow stuff he would have enough "Left over energy" for the fielding and for the slogging while batting.
We are not expecting Irfan to bowl the Left Arm spinners like Bedi ( Revolving the ball around an axis which is perpendicular to the seam). We expect him to bowl slow accurate flat stuff like Jaya Soorya or Ghavri.
RE:RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by rahul tiwari on Feb 24, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
rather he should try to ball fast balling atleast between 135 plus.he should work hard on his grip and should avoid balling a bad line or comfortable short piches.he z a swing baller,not a cutter specialist.its absoloutely absured to compare him with jaisurya.well on comparison with saymonds,i ll like to say that saymonds is basically a baller who balls off cutter and coz of strong soldiers he can ball fast and slow too with 4-5 steps of run up.but pathan is baller who z basically balls good inswing -out swing.can get revese swing.he needs to ball faster and work on straight seem and avoid bad line and loose short piches.that sit
RE:RE:RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by Varadarajan Ramachandran on Feb 25, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
It is not the comparison between Jaya Soorya and Pathan. Jaya Soorya is one of the bowlers who is not an orthodox spinner ( Revolving the ball around an axis which is perpendicular to the seam); but who is fairly effective in one dayers. I accept that Pathan produces (or used to Produce) good swinging deliveries. But this is with new ball and in conditions favourable to swing bowling. If he has to reverse swing the ball he has to increase his pace to 140 . In fact I have not seen Indian Bowlers improve on their pace ( unlike cricketers like Imran Khan who came as Fast medium bowlers and later became a Fast Bowler)after coming to the highest level.
RE:RE:RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by Varadarajan Ramachandran on Feb 24, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Thanks for your response. Well, Do you know Gary Sobers used to bowl spinners also. Another example is Ghaveri. What about Symonds of Australia. Sachin Tendulkar ( Bowls leg cutters, leg Spin and off spin).Not only in cricket.
RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by Ajay Deshpande on Feb 24, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities by Ajay Deshpande on Feb 24, 2007 05:59 PM The world cup winner like Kapil, Binny, Balwinder Sing & Madanlal also can give few tips... If we remeber them.
RE:no doubt on Pathan's abilities
by Ajay Deshpande on Feb 24, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
The world cup winner like Kapil, Binny, Balwinder Sing & Madanlal also can give few tips... If we remeber them.
Even if pathan is not going to WI, still he can make money by doing ads and promoting products and infact all the players are in WI so no compition for him.
Pathan is talented hardworking and commited team player. His presence will be added value to the team. And dravid knew what is place of of pathan in ind team Even he failed to perfrom or may be with minor injury i don't think chappell & dravid will compermise on pathan's repalcement unless some politician put pressurer on pawar and vengi .. good luck to pathan and team india.
presently indian team have only 1 all rounder..i.e Irfaan . I dnt think zaheer,munaf,agarkar or srisanth can bat also in w.indies pitch..so give Irfaan a chance for a better combination for WORLD CUP
pathan is a only good alrounder in india. this type of cricketer are important for indian cricket but why india still having cricketer like TORTOISE. I mean dravid.
RE:TORTOISE
by sameer pandita on Feb 25, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
Because slow and steady always win the Race and he has been a match winner for us . I doubt his ability as a captian of Indian Team as compared to Sourav Ganguly who much much more aggressive and Tenacious a captian but Dravid Deserves A chance .
If we look at the way in which Ashish Nehra rose to fame without any exceptional talent as it was cited by many experts like Gavaskar then i personally feel that Irfan is far far better and Handy a talent and will definately try to prove himself in the upcomming world cup .I still dnt doubt his capabilities if compared with averagers like Agarkar who have always given away suicidal and crucial runs in most of the games he played for India .I am still not very sure how he has been picked for the World cup Squad .
Maybe the Mumbaiya Tag is helping has helped him this time too.
I still strongly feel that Zaheer and Irfan will be forces to reckon in the comming WC maybe even Mr Brake Dancer if he concentrates more on his game than dancing and maintains his cool.
But regarding Sehwag i am very sure he was and still is a Liability on the Team and if the Board Gotto AXE somebody its Sehwag and the only cause that keeps him in the team is perhaps political . Hope Mr Jayteily reads this .
RE:IF Nehra can be given a chance in 2003 Irfan is a strong contender !
by vijay baskar on Feb 24, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
so that we can finally come back losing...
RE:IF Nehra can be given a chance in 2003 Irfan is a strong contender !
by Baba Bengali on Feb 24, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
abe idiot ...Agarkar is the highest wicket taker in ODI for india...he has a strike rate almost nea r Brett Lee...and he always gets 2-3 wickets.......And u need wickets....go and watch cricket..and dont use ur gulli cricket theory
RE:RE:IF Nehra can be given a chance in 2003 Irfan is a strong contender !
by sameer pandita on Feb 25, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Mr Bengali i am sure not many people agree with the kind of diction you are armed with but you have got ever right to exercise your Faculties .
You say he has a strike rate might be near to that of Brett Lee But he is no way comparable to Brett Lee who has played far fewer matches and has a capability to run through the top order of any good team 9 of of 10 times if not 10 which Agarkar lacks and if you are satisfied with him getting 2-3 Wickets every match that too of the tailenders then i seriously doubt your capabilities as an Indian cricket follower and a supporter Go refer the indian cricket History again to update ur exhausted databank and you will soon realise that you have not been much in gulli cricket either leaving aside the International ones . If you still conclude that Agarkar needs an applause for his average performance down the memory lane then i think Irfan needs to showered with accolades .
RE:IF Nehra can be given a chance in 2003 Irfan is a strong contender !
by NANAK SHARMA on Feb 24, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
See we all say what we think. Its always getting tougher these days to select a good Indian National Cricket team. Tell me who's perfoming well? We still lack a consistant match winner. Apart from Tendulkar who else? Dravid is now more worried about his captaicy which he's surely gonna loose after the world cup.LOL. Sehwag is no more reliable. Yuvraj only plays well when Kim is expected around. We are left with Saurav and Sachin. These 2 can not perform so consistantly since the age factor is also there. Again, we need to see the circumstances under which our players perform well. See the history. Our players only perform when they feared that if they didn't....their house may be stonned. Or they will be sacked.Or they loose a big Ad assignment. I bet if we constantly kept the pressure on them like this..the world cup will be ours. We performed better in the last cup only because of this. Stil........lets hope for the best. Hope Sachin we make us win the cup. Nanak Sharma
I am sorry to see the sorry affairs of the cricketing management and the performance of the Indian Cricket team. Maybe it is too late now for Pathan to bring back his lost form, however, such remarks from the selectors do tend to put the players under stress and he may look at sea. But on the other side, let me remind our people that the players here are not amateurs or street players that they need to be explained things again and again. They are one of the highly paid professionals in their field and when they are getting paid and idolised, it is necessary for them to make sure that they are fully fit by practising. However, our team has more time for ad shoots and opening ceremonies, so when will they practise.
I read people's comments on Chappell and Colonel, but then please do remember that they are just managers and it is the players have to face the ball on the field. Had Chappell not raised an issue with Ganguly, how do you people think Ganguly would have fared today. By taking one's place as granted, there was no fire in the players for the past 2-3 years, otherwise how do you answer for the numerous games where we have lost despite being in winning positions. It is just that by issuing such warnings, the players have realised that their career is at stake and so they try to practise at least to keep themselves in reckoning.
We may have the best players on text, but our games have shown that it was just the brilliance of one or the other guy, that led to the victory. Our fielding grades will rank very much on the lowest rung of the world cup teams. This despite having so many professional trainers, etc, etc.
Whatever has happened has happened, now there is hardly any time to work on these things, the most i can say is that let the Indian team fight to its potential and play within its limitiations. More than winning the world cup, it is the manner in which we play is what matters. I would rather like to see our team fighting at all times making the opponents sweat and earn the place they deserve. Play like a true lion, without any shame without any fear, and the world cup is there for you to conquer.
Common folks don't be ordinary critics. Just have some faith in him and I am sure like our many heroes he will deliver the goods at the right moment. So cheer up!
D guy who played one match winning game made him a to secure a peramanent place in the squad of XI for the world cup.after that match he never perfomed well.now point has rose against the pathan to prove his fitness but is it possible to show him one game,i don't know what type of selection committe is this for our team.
RE:Reason Behind the inclusion of D.Kaarthik
by vijay baskar on Feb 24, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
whomever u include or exclude..all together indian team is useless only
RE:RE:Reason Behind the inclusion of D.Kaarthik
by ahmad tofel on Feb 24, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
SHUTTTTTTUP UPP..UP..MR vIJAY....DNT LET DOWN INDIAN TEAM ATLEAST BEFORE WORLD CUP.. I THINK U R A REAL LOOSER BEFORE ANY BATTLE..HUHHH
RE:RE:RE:Reason Behind the inclusion of D.Kaarthik
by vijay baskar on Feb 24, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
i will accept i am a loser before a battle if i have dead soldiers my dear friend.. i mean dead soldiers are indian cricketers
