I think When We are selecting the team we must select the 11 player according to their contribution in Fitness/last 5 Match performance in Batting , Bowling, fielding,
If some bady is not performing well h kept out from the team.. Chahe woh koi bhi ho , It must apply for all the player like sehwag/tendulkar/dravid/ganguly/irfan...etc.. Not perform kick him.. No Senior No junior team, Only Performer team...
RE:Contribution
by venki D on Feb 23, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
100% correct but experience will help the team mostly...see the australians recent defeats... Also selectors do not give too many chances to the non performing players..All the Best Team India for the upcoming World Cup regards venkatesh
You were brilliant in the initial stage but slowly slowly faded away. I do not understand as to why this sudden downward trend coming to performance. The entire media boosted your morale and taken you to the greatest height. Play in the match, bring in your form. Come on Irfan, come back to your past glory. Go to WC and bring the CUP. We are with you in your predicament. One has to go through this. up and down is every where. do not get perturbed or dihearted. Vengi is doubtful about your fitness. Prove yourself.
I have nothing against Irfan, but some thing has seriously gone wrong with him after the initial sucess in Pakistan. Instead of bowling straight to off stUmp and inswing or straiGHt to leg stUmp and outswing he does all other thingS. He bowls 60 degree across without any swing , man ! even i can make a glorious cover drive with all my college cricketing experience. correct your technique man and bowl straight like ASIF AND LEE. ALL THE BEST MR. IRFAN
There are number of players in this list who carry with them latent injury and the selection committee is aware of it. Munaf Patel, Pathan, Ajit Agarkar, Anil Kumble, Yuvarj Singh do have some injury. The Committee should not have selected such players in the first instance. Don't forget that Munaf Patel went to the lat test against South Africa and he did not anything that match. In fact he spoiled India's chance of winnning a Test series against SA in South Africa. The selection committee headed by Vengsarkar has comprised on fitness aspect to the detriment of the team. Moreover, it has not been bold enough to take good decisions i.e. to drop Shewag. Not selecting VVS Laxman, Romesh Pawar in the final count is going to prove wrong and how biased the whole selection process was.
A coach or the captain is only as good as his team. I think one will agree here atleast in majority of the cases. Yes, we could have exceptional coach/captain who can inspire his men. But present indian team can boast of neither and hence the former holds true.
RE:Coach and Captain
by on Feb 23, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
Selectors need not be as good as the team because Mr.Murphy says things tend to go from bad to Worse !
assaLaamu aLai kum.. hi every one..! good After noon why Kaif has been Left out from the W_C squad? any one vaLid reason for omitting Kaif from the team? he saves 30-40 runs in fielding, that means "RUNS SAVED = RUNS SCORED" !! Bottom Line is that his (kaif's) bad Luck to miss this maga event where so many players are stugging to gain form ang to get fit from there injuries.. and two specialist keepers i.e dinesh kaartik n mahinder S dhoni inclusion will be confusion within them! both will be in internal pressure to performed well for the coming maga event.. best of Luck for ur future KAIF !! dont Lose ur heart, work hard ( ur a default hard worker!!), just work on ur basics, and back to side with a bang! (like Zaheer bhai n GanguLu-daa) BEST OF LUCK INDIA!! Cheers for INDIA!
RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by syed mehdi on Feb 23, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
Brother tahaa yaseen Asak, Kaif was given full chance to show his skills in the international matches,But he had missed the chances to impress our coach and all. Present indian team is extremely good enough to win the mega event (world cup), no changes now... Inshallah india will win this worldcuppp,a ameen!!!!!!!!!!!!1
RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by Rohit Dasan Maroli on Feb 23, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
Sorry sir...english not good...mine...but will try...Not indian player has ever saved more than 15 runs in the last 500 Odis played by India.check the stats and then speak...dont keep on yapping without statistics....Mohd Kaif is a very good fielder...great dives etc...but my friend check cricket history....Bowlers win u matches by taking wickets....and Batsmen win u matches by scoring runs..fielders also help win matches by good catches...but if all ten batsmen were like kaif we wouldnt score more than 100 runs in each match...so his fielding wouldnt matter at all.....Got it??? Cut the crap and yeah learn some english please and save us from "KAIF !! dont Lose ur heart, work hard ( ur a default hard worker!!)," God! wat rubbish....help...
RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by on Feb 23, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
Are you joking...Do u know that the entire Australian/South Africa team will be very happy to save 30-40 runs by entire team's (not one man) fielding on a very lucky day. And u think that one superman Kaif save 30-40 runs..wake up man...we are talking about international cricket, and not about galli cricket.. Moreover, Kaif does not justify his position as a batsman..We cannot affort to have a pure batsman who just cant score fast/win matches.
RE:RE:RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by mohammed taaha yaseen on Feb 24, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
India in West Indies, 2006 One-Day Series Averages
RE:RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by Manish Kapur on Feb 23, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
you NUT kaif was the highest scorer in westindies 8 mnths back ....so don't talk abt his batting .....South africa everybody failed so why make him the SCAPEGOAT???
RE:RE:RE:why Kaif not getting a ''fair deaL''..??
by Manish Kapur on Feb 23, 2007 05:02 PM Permalink
http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2006/IND_IN_WI/STATS/IND_IN_WI_MAY-JUL2006_ODI_AVS.html
Awright, Sehwag is a mediocre performer right now....awright Agarkar is an 'on-and-off' cricketer...awright, awright, awright....
At least they are all fit....better having a lesser talent but fit than a 'super talent' but unfit!
Pathan had opted out himself due to injuries; so let him prove his fitness and do justice to his selection.
Vengsarkar is doing his job as a selector, please dont confuse the issue and try to compare HIM with Pathan. We are a different team now from what we were during Vengsarkar's time....so let there be a different yardstick to judge the present cricketer....
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS WHILE QUOTING STATISTICS. ONE GENTLEMAN HAS QUOTED THE BATTING AVERAGES OF IRFAN AND VENGSARKAR. WHEREAS VENGSARKAR MADE HIS RUNS WHEN BOWLERS LIKE HOLDING, MARSHALL, ROBERTS, GARNER, LILLY, THOMPSON, BOTHAM, HADLEE, IMRAN, DONALD ETC. WERE PLAYING AND THE PITCHES IN THOSE DAYS WERE NOT THE 300 ONES. EVEN INDIA WON THE WORLD CUP IN 1983 BY SCORING ONLY 180 RUNS ONLY. I CAN RECALL MANY ONE DAY MATCHES WHEN THE PITCHES SUITED THE HIGH QUALITY BOWLERS OF THAT ERA SO MUCH THAT IT BECAME VERY DIFFICULT FOR BATSMEN TO CHASE LOWLY SCORES OF EVEN 150 ODD RUNS. AND THE AVERAGE SCORE OF EACH TEAM PER INNINGS WAS CLOSER TO 200 RUNS. NOWADAYS THERE ARE VERY FEW FAST BOWLERS AND MOREOVER, THE PITCHES ARE PREPARED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THERE IS RUN RIOT. SCORES OF 350 TO 440 ARE BEING SCORED AND BEING CHASED SUCCESSFULLY. SO WHEN YOU COMPARE THE AVERAGES OF THE BATSMEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PERCENTAGES ALSO. IN A PARTICULAR TV CHANNEL, FOOLISH COMMENTS WERE BEING PASSED ON THE SAME LINES AS MADE BY THE GENTLEMAN QUOTED ABOVE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GREAT CRICKETER LIKE KAPIL DEV WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY FOR EVERY CRICKETER IS NOT A GREAT ANALYSER. ANY BATSMAN SCORING AT AN AVERAGE OF 25 RUNS IN A SCORE OF 300 IS SCORING ONLY 8% OF THE TOTAL RUNS SCORED WHEREAS ANOTHER BATSMAN WHO IS SCORING AT AN AVERAGE OF 34 RUNS IN A SCORE OF 200 IS SCORING 17% OF THE TEAM'S SCORE WHICH IS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SCORING RATE OF THE FIRST BATSMAN, REPRESENTED BY IRFAN IN THIS CASE AS COMPARED TO VENGSARKAR. HOWEVER, AS FAR AS PATHAN'S PLAYING OR NON PLAYING IN THE WORLD CUP IS CONCERNED, THAT WILL BE DECIDED PURELY ON HIS FORM AND FITNESS AS IN THE CASE OF ALL OTHER PLAYERS. NO ROOM FOR EMOTIONS AND DRAMA IS TO BE ALLOWED THERE. COL. VENGSARKAR, A NO NONSENSE MAN IS THE BOSS WHO WILL DECIDE THE MATTER.
RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by Diwakar BoddupalliRam on Feb 23, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
I wish to come to Rakesh's support as he has made a valid point. Today's cricket is bereft of GOOD FAST BOWLERS. Whatever you see in today's one day cricket is due to the feather bed pitches, heavy bats and small grounds, coupled with average bowling and rules favoured towards batsman. It is highly improper to even compare Irfan and Vengsarkar. Just to quote one example, guys dont forget the pasting he gave to Craig McDermott (an Aussie fast bowler who was as fast as Brett Lee)in the 1987 World Cup Match at Delhi. He was also a class Test cricketer who scored his centuries against guys like Holding, Marshall, Garner, Bob Willis, Lillee, Thomson, Hogg, Imran Khan (you want more???)
RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by BlurBlur on Feb 23, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
Records and averages as a player has no bearing on how one will fare as a coach or selector. Prime example, John Buchanan and Dave Whatmore...both were fringe players where one has played no international cricket and the other has a record not worth mentioning.
Both as a coach and selector, one must have skills to select players and strategy that will bring success and having a great average or playing record is not a yardstick. So complex analysis on Vengsarkar's record as a player does not prove anything.
RE:RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by on Feb 23, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
A coach or the captain is only as good as his team. I think one will agree here atleast in majority of the cases. Yes, we do have exceptional coach/captain who can inspire his men. But present indian team can boast of neither and hence the former holds true.
RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by shah ahmad on Feb 23, 2007 04:39 PM Permalink
Dear R. U R calculating the contribution of a player, We are discussing the averag of a player,U can say at that time the batting is not so cracker as now.. it is too difficult to carry on an average of 50 in today cricket, There were so many fast bowler at old cricket but U know there is very less body guard equipment at that time so player playes the cricket under the fear and they loose the wicket...If those bowler played today cricket they will not sucsses as compare that time..
So cricket wahi hai lekin cricket khelne ka andaj and tech change ho gayi hai..thats it..
RE:RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by AJ on Feb 23, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Rakesh, Please know the fact that donald d'nt even make his debut when vengsarkar was playing.
RE:RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by Narahari K on Feb 23, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
One more input in to the scenario, the number of overs in those days was 60 overs/side
RE:IRFAN'S WC FATE
by on Feb 23, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
you can kindly put our spontaneous outbursts in small letters so that lesser mortals will attempt to read it
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS WHILE QUOTING STATISTICS. ONE GENTLEMAN HAS QUOTED THE BATTING AVERAGES OF IRFAN AND VENGSARKAR. WHEREAS VENGSARKAR MADE HIS RUNS WHEN BOWLERS LIKE HOLDING, MARSHALL, ROBERTS, GARNER, LILLY, THOMPSON, BOTHAM, HADLEE, IMRAN, DONALD ETC. WERE PLAYING AND THE PITCHES IN THOSE DAYS WERE NOT THE 300 ONES. EVEN INDIA WON THE WORLD CUP IN 1983 BY SCORING ONLY 180 RUNS ONLY. I CAN RECALL MANY ONE DAY MATCHES WHEN THE PITCHES SUITED THE HIGH QUALITY BOWLERS OF THAT ERA SO MUCH THAT IT BECAME VERY DIFFICULT FOR BATSMEN TO CHASE LOWLY SCORES OF EVEN 150 ODD RUNS. AND THE AVERAGE SCORE OF EACH TEAM PER INNINGS WAS CLOSER TO 200 RUNS. NOWADAYS THERE ARE VERY FEW FAST BOWLERS AND MOREOVER, THE PITCHES ARE PREPARED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT THERE IS RUN RIOT. SCORES OF 350 TO 440 ARE BEING SCORED AND BEING CHASED SUCCESSFULLY. SO WHEN YOU COMPARE THE AVERAGES OF THE BATSMEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE PERCENTAGES ALSO. IN A PARTICULAR TV CHANNEL, FOOLISH COMMENTS WERE BEING PASSED ON THE SAME LINES AS MADE BY THE GENTLEMAN QUOTED ABOVE IN THE PRESENCE OF A GREAT CRICKETER LIKE KAPIL DEV WHO DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY FOR EVERY CRICKETER IS NOT A GREAT ANALYSER. ANY BATSMAN SCORING AT AN AVERAGE OF 25 RUNS IN A SCORE OF 300 IS SCORING ONLY 8% OF THE TOTAL RUNS SCORED WHEREAS ANOTHER BATSMAN WHO IS SCORING AT AN AVERAGE OF 34 RUNS IN A SCORE OF 200 IS SCORING 17% OF THE TEAM'S SCORE WHICH IS MORE THAN DOUBLE THE SCORING RATE OF THE FIRST BATSMAN, REPRESENTED BY IRFAN IN THIS CASE AS COMPARED TO VENGSARKAR. HOWEVER, AS FAR AS PATHAN'S PLAYING OR NON PLAYING IN THE WORLD CUP IS CONCERNED, THAT WILL BE DECIDED PURELY ON HIS FORM AND FITNESS AS IN THE CASE OF ALL OTHER PLAYERS. NO ROOM FOR EMOTIONS AND DRAMA IS TO BE ALLOWED THERE. COL. VENGSARKAR, A NO NONSENSE MAN IS THE BOSS WHO WILL DECIDE THE MATTER.
