Looks like our selectors have a Secret Agenda, here.
To me it appears that these selectors are just bunch of jokers, but also JERKS.
They clearly apply different set of rules for different players.
If the selectors were serious, they should have asked their doctor to suggest whether Irfan will be fit by mid March, before India's 1st match against Bangladesh. OR They should not have picked an unfit player, at all. Then, it would have made sense.
On what basis they selected Sehwag, but, rejected Kaif?
Now, Kaif has scored 2 successive hundreds in the Ranji One Dayers, and has bowled well too. Are they going to bring in Kaif?
This flip-flop attitude of our selectors really drives me crazy.
RE:RE:RE:SECRET AGENDA or FLIP-FLOP
by Kaushik on Feb 24, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
I don't know why you guys shout for "Kaif" that much...he only scored 624 runs in test and around 2500 runs in ODI in his 7 years intl career (2000-2007)!!!!....where Yuvraj have scored almost 4500 runs, which is nearly double of what Kaif scored. Dhoni in 1 and half year have scorder around 2000 runs in ODI....I think that info is enough to say he is much "HYPED" cricketer...Few people will tell about his fielding...I admit that he is a fine fielder....but someone can not retain position in squad only because of fielding...even Jonty rhodes dropped from SA squad when he wasnot among runs....!!!!
RE:RE:RE:RE:SECRET AGENDA or FLIP-FLOP
by Juzer H on Feb 24, 2007 06:25 AM Permalink
Well Kaushik, this discusion was about flip-flops by our selectors.
Since you touched the topic of Kaif's average, any knowledgeable person would know that the number 6 batsman has less opportunities than the upper order batsmen. Kaif has been played in much lesser matches compared to Yuvraj. If you see their averages, they are almost at par with each other. I am not suggesting here that Kaif is a better player than Yuvraj. Both are good players and very important for a future Indian team.
and it wont make a difernce whether a certain player was in or not. Selection should be done on the basis of a judicious mix of calculation and guesswork, an in form can have a bad patch and one may come back. So who knows if Sehwag fails our calculation would be right and the selectors guesswork wrong or viceversa and Pathan may have a good time, again, our calclations and their guesswork. Guess what looks likely that most of the calculations are going to be right and the guesswork wrong. So be ready to forget you are East West or South Indian, forget you are merely Indian and like our grand old culture demands the whole universe is our home - whoever wins we win. Doesnt that look and seem very positive and broad minded indeed. We are Indians, let us once more be great.
Does Mr. Vengsarkar has a dislike for Pathan ? I am sure he has. Sending Irfan from South Africa when Sehawg was retained. Not given a chance against the West Indies and Sri lanka. How does he prove his fitness ? Playing in just one Deodhar Trophy. Vengsarkar you are playing with the carrier of a young cricketer.If Pathan was unfit, why was he chosen in the world cup team? You are putting unnecessary presure on Pathan. Is this because you want to include Ramesh Powar ?
RE:Irfan-fitness
by Sunil Bhandari on Feb 23, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
because vengsarkar is a maharashtrian he wants to include fellow maharashtrian.again this maratha lobby is at work
RE:RE:Irfan-fitness
by sameer naik on Feb 23, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
had he wanted to include powar he had could have easily done it before...without causing much furore.. Much eye brows were raised only becasue Powar was left out... He was the only player who was left out despite having performed well ...he performed better than kumble/bhaji whenever they played together...has a fifty in his name in limited opportunities he got...almost took 2 wickets every match he played..still he was left out... Apart from people who know and understand the game no one complained...
We are only debating about Kaifs, Rainas, Pathans, sehwags... all out of form since last year...
So despite having stats all in favour of Powar, he was not selected...
Marathi lobby seems really at work !?! ;)
Sameer -Vancouver
PS: I am big fan of Pathan myself, would still want him in the team even if he has to be prefered over Pawar, but please do not accuse us of the regional bias..in general we are the last people to do so (leave out exceptions here and there). We dont spare even if our regional heros (Tendular booing at Wankhade, when he didn't perform) We are not diplomatic, may not say things which are pleasing to hear, but we will be very honest and upfront. Thats perhaps the price Vengsarkar is paying.
RE:RE:RE:Irfan-fitness
by Shekar on Feb 23, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
I agree with you sameer. This is not the way to include Powar in the team, if selectors really want to do. As Pathan is a medium pacer and Powar is spinner, how can they include him now? and we have already 2 spinner in 15. They should have rested Kumble to include Powar at that time. If any seemer injures, then it will be a tough job other seemers.
I feel is vengsarkar is not good at talking to the press. The way he talks surely discourages and pushes the player into pressure. He has very poor management skills. The facts should be talked smoothly and do what ever he wants with out hurting the people. The statment "If he is not able to prove his fitness in the Deodhar Trophy match, he will not go to the World Cup," is really a foolish statement. Instead he should say "We wish pathan will prove his fitness. We are confident on his skills. In case if he (pathan) can't prove his fitness we (selectors) will discuss how to proceed" In reality both has the same meaning. Sametime he should be rigid while taking decisions. I am not favoring pathan. I am talking about management skills.
RE:Very poor communication/management skills of Mr. Sarkar
by KSatish on Feb 23, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
I think he for the first time in selectors history there is a deserved candiddate who has all the technical know how how picking a person. Also the knowledge about the game of his cannot be less then anybody. And the air of swagger and I-know what am doing attitude is very good in the scheme of things. He sounds confident and should let him be allowed to do his job his way. He is paid to pick a side not be smooth or rough and if he thinks he should be that then he knows better. Also if the players cant take a bit of that here how are they equiped to take it during sledging in a presure game?
RE:Very poor communication/management skills of Mr. Sarkar
by arvind senthil on Feb 23, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
I think you had good soft skills training!
RE:RE:Very poor communication/management skills of Mr. Sarkar
by sameer naik on Feb 23, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
well if you are at this level as a player such words should motivate, not demoralize if you have it in you.. and i guess the following is not de-motivating at all, he clearly states form wont be taken into consideration which should completely relax pathan. "We will watch him in the match, because I feel match-fitness is very important. He hasn't played any game since that match in Baroda [against the West Indies on January 31] so I hope he can prove his fitness. We will not monitor his form, but fitness will be very important for Pathan," Vengsarkar said.
We want people who are honest and upfront, not somone who are just diplomatic, or saying things which are pleasing to hear.
RE:RE:RE:Very poor communication/management skills of Mr. Sarkar
by techie Jr on Feb 23, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
I am not saying selectors should be soft. My feeling is Selectors (not just selectors anybody) should be strong and rigid on their views. But those who are management/decision making position should be soft/encouraging.
I accept even Mr. Sarkar tried okay to encourage. But his words are extreame on eitherside. These kind of extreame words works positive only if the palyer is in good form, because at that time he thinks (and takes) only positive comments. Where as if the player is pathan kind of mental state, surely gets demoralized.
And I don't accept that we "don't need someone who are deplomatic" Most of the people take the word deplomatic as negative meaning. But thats not correct. I see deplomatic as the synonym of "wise". Big question is wise/deplomatic is for what? We need someone who uses his deplomatic skills for the betterment of indian cricket. Not for the betterment of his personal affairs.
Again I am not anti to Mr. Sarkar. I like him as a player and also as a selector. I never questioned his decision. He is rigid, I want him to be rigid, but I want him behave smart.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Very poor communication/management skills of Mr. Sarkar
by techie Jr on Feb 23, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
last sentence in first para should be read as "..decision making position shold be.." SMART not soft..
Great to see Saurav BAck among runs.. but have been following these coloumns for some time now,, many of the ppl from the east seem to feel Vindicated,, no reason to be so.. dont attach any lingo stuff to Saurav's return,, he was out of form and after a long time , selectors showed guts dropping a big name,, he got dropped , worked hard and got back and doing well,, Bravo.!!! he was infact not doing well as a player.. Tiger or no tiger,, he has been a great scorer in one dayers but doesnt mean if he gets dropped , the whole beangal is humiliated,, if we check the facts , it was plain performance which led to that.. after that India had a wonderful One dayers run , both @ home and pakistan... And leadership qualities ,, doesnt always need to pump fist and take of shirt to show off ur aggro.!! its facing the fast bowlers with chin up is what makes u command respect.. Dravid has over and time done that.. he opened in pakistan and tried not to expose saurav to Shoib and co when his confidence was all not that great shows character,, and he forged that epic partnership with Veeru.. give it a chance mates.. dont treat this as a regional forum,, all were happy when Saurav did well,, most were disappointed when he was dropped,, (when ever we see a left arm spinner do well,, we think ,, lucky man , Saurav is not on strike..),, he s back and doing great.. calling Dravid weak or ?ing sehwags place or not gonna help.. move on and enjoy the team s performance.. GOOD LUCK INDIA.!!!!
RE:Ganguly's Return
by Indra Sengupta on Feb 23, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
I hve hardy seen a better and accomplished man than this Venky. He is so thoghtful and analytical. I really appreciate. How the Dada haters will taste like? Try and put them as sumptuous meal. Dada will feed on them. Whosoever is the Captain; Ganguly is the rallying point. He is the real leader. See how a demoralised and losing side comes to life as Ganguly comes in. How Yuvraj and Dhoni drenches him in lemonade shower. So sing in praise of Dada; Other things will automatically follow.
RE:RE:Ganguly's Return
by Suman Bhat on Feb 23, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
performance, commitment, honest hardwork and determination can make a lot of dif than the media hype, politician influence and dadagir and godfather in bcci. 8 yrs ago dravid considered to unfit of odis now he is leading the team for WC and completed 10K with average of 40.01 highest catch holder for india in odi(test too), two year repesented the icc odi team, played superleague match represented World 'XI against auss...consistantly scored runs for team, building partnership against strong teams , bowler friendly ptichs. out of 10k runs 6500 runs and our 77 fifties 53 fifties scored outside india. No!test batsman india. finished 9000 runs earliar than brain lara and sachin, ICC test team member for 3 consecutive years, 3 Icc awards , MTV youth icon award, Castrol cricketer / batsman of year 2006-06 (4th time castrol award)...considered as thinking cricketer by int'l cricket experts.. and within 1yr of captancy dravid's name shortlisted for ICC captian award.. Great servant of ind cricket (ithout any godfather in bcci,media hype/publicity, politicians influence)from last 10 yrs Earns respect of teamates b'cuz his performance criticised for the reasons he is not responsible for.. Great going C aptain Dravid Rocks!!!!!!!!!!! Dravid average as captain in test and odis is better than a normal avergae. he leads team by performing as per team requirement / under pressure and crucial innings
RE:RE:Ganguly's Return
by Venkat Prakash on Feb 23, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Thanks for the accolades mate but guess u missed the point.. this is what i replied to one of ur response yesterday..
well Indra,, guess u just wanna get some replies.. and before u start venturing into culinary habits (idli dosa's and stuffs) pls try to have some logic.. u feel Saurav is special because u like him,, fair enough,, and lemonade on Saurav by Dhoni and Co.. even if Romesh Powar were to be MOS ,, they would have done the same to him,, and pls India was never or never will be great or better due to one Individual, be it Bengali, Tamilian or a Marathi,, the beauty lies in the fact that every body comes toghether and sparkle in Unision,, after a great Indian meal,, dont bother that the fish was from Bengal, the rice from AP and Vegetables from Haryana.. its the collective stuff mate..
RE:Ganguly's Return
by prashant chakravarty on Feb 23, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
You are quite right but don't make sweeping generalisation about parochialism of East-just as Bajrang Dal don't represent silent Hindu majority, the fundamentalist followers of Ganguli don't represent majority of East, in all probability they don't represent Ganguli himself. And talking of regionalism it is a pan-Indian phenomena
RE:RE:Ganguly's Return
by Venkat Prakash on Feb 23, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
I agree Prashant.. but follow this coloumn and u will know why.?? Krish Srikaanth was dropped after drawing series with Pakis , they player 13 players (11 2 umpires) ,, it was the same as Saurav when he was dropped,, team did great but Srikkant as player was a flop.. And i agree, i am a south india brought up in north ,, i have seen the both sides,, and yep.. its a pan india phenomena,, and its a shame
The team will depart for the West Indies on January 28. India is drawn in Group B and plays its first match on March 17, against Bangaldesh. Sri Lanka and Bermuda are the other teams
I think the team departs on Feb 28. Please provide the correct information
RE:The team will depart for the West Indies on January 28. India is drawn in Group B and plays its first match on March 17, against Bangaldesh. Sri Lanka and Bermuda are the other teams
by Rajagopalan G on Feb 23, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
These days, Rediff is going down like anything.... What happened to their QA or QC team. Another worrying thing about Rediff is they really are trying to have more hits from bloggers on result, content is also getting meaningless. Hey Rediff, dont have articles which are meant only for bloggers. Have something for readers also.
it is important that india has a good fielding side &suresh beckons that category he is an all rounder.he is one of best fielders.sourav,sachin ,rahul do not move around hence they are best in the slips so we cant have 5th man 6th man&&&&&&&&it will go on .but instead of other old players it is better to have new players.
I feel Dilip Vengsarkar has once again shown good acumen and cricketing knowledge unlike one Mr Kiran More(who having scored less than 3000 runs feels a player who has scored more than 10000 RUNS(DADA)will never play for india till he is at the helm of things!!) Thankfully Dilip Vengsarkar is showing he has proffesional interests more than personal unlike more and rightly has asked Irfan to prove his Fitness before Going to the world cup. Irfan has been bowling about just 5 overs in his last 10 to 12 Odis and giving away runs around 8 per over...check stats if u dont believe me frnds..So wat this does is it will allow a young talent like Ranadeep Bose...to get a chnace to bowl and do so when he is in top form as seen in ranji where he has been the leading wicket taker... Tats my reading of the game....my perception...i maybe wrong...Cheers Dilip saab cheers India!
RE:Include_Ranadeep_Bose???
by munish chandel on Feb 23, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
.......and select all Bengali in the team...... When will you Bengali dada become indian than Bengaliiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
RE:Include_Ranadeep_Bose???
by Arindam Mitra on Feb 23, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
Well said Rohit...I would like to endorse your comments further...he is indeed acting more professionally...as per as Kiran More is concerned, well I think he along with Greg Chappel put together their best effort to dismantle a winning team, and disturb the Indian Cricket to the max possible. Cheers for Vengsarkar.
RE:RE:Include_Ranadeep_Bose???
by Rohit Dasan Maroli on Feb 23, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
Right Arindam.Even if Kiran More were to play today he wouldnt have scored more than 5000 runs since the time he started(1983)and he decides that till he is at the helm of things one of the greatest ever one day batsman (Dada With 10000 runs) will never play for India! Such things can happen only in India!
Irfan is unfit and not in form..He's low on confidence...We can see his confidence level in his body language...! Fitness and confidence is extremely important for a fast bowler or he'll be hammered..Anyways we're taking four fast bowlers , we can replace pathan with romesh powar who can be handy in bat as well(though I have not seen his batting prowess ininternational matches)..
RE:Replace pathan with powar
by Sunil Bhandari on Feb 23, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
did irfan come & tell u that he is unfit and not in form and low in confidence. is he your friend. If yes kindly ask him for tickets for world cup for me- both air and match tickets.
RE:RE:Replace pathan with powar
by kumar on Feb 23, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Sunil, He's low on confidence , we can easily acess this from his body language...As far as his fitness is concerned, he was unfit for all the matches for SL series...! To regain fitness for WC is difficult task for him...
RE:RE:RE:Replace pathan with powar
by suyog pandit on Feb 23, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
great reply Radheshyam...can't stop laughing..good sense of humor
