The whole episode started when Kiran More became the Chairman of Selection Committee and started politiking. There was a case of 10 lacs offer the Abijit Kale Case. if you remember. Sacking of Ganguly as captain at the behest of Chappel was the begining of the end of killing cricket as a sport in India.
I firmly believe that had Ganguly been the skipper, he would never have dropped Kaif who is India's best fielder.
Blaming the coach is not the point here, it is attitude of the entire selectors with vested interest and some of them have gained noterity over a period of time (la Bedi) who is a nusaince value and gain undue importance at somebody else's cost.
Better is to go back to Ganguly and appoint him as skipper and then ask him for results. He is the only skipper who knows no regional affinity when it comes to selecting players and also gets the best out of them. This is SOS
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by anshu on Apr 22, 2007 10:49 PM Permalink
Why do you all, are blaming each other like this, can't we all give some good suggesstions? And yes, I feel that the whole team has to go and new faces have to come, who can atleats play with some zeal. Just forget the old war horses, they are over.
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by Ganesh Rammurthi on Apr 22, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
Better "the known devil than the unknown" is the logic. The same guys have given us results remember or still waiting for the young brigade to deliver ????????
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by Cricket s on Apr 22, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
what result are you talking about? We were never a consistent team under Ganguly or Dravid. Just because someone makes a noise, takes his shirt off ...does not mean that he is a good captain. 50% of one-day wins is a good record? that includes winning 30/31 matches against minnows. 23% of one-day matches we won when playing outside the country. It does not matter who the captain is, India is a poor one-day team. Test matches - 9/21 wins came agt Zim and B'desh. You can give captaincy to anyone over 5 consecutive years with SRT, VS, RD and VVS at their peak of their batting...they will be able to show you 20 victories.
My point is...Ganguly as a good captain is a myth. My second point is, stop this 'move fan' attitude of clinging onto one player. Our team is more important than Ganguly, SRT or Dravid.
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by Ganesh Rammurthi on Apr 23, 2007 06:10 AM Permalink
Either your knowledge is adequately enough or not, I do not know, remember our reaching the finals in the WC 2002. There have been winning streaks and remember no one uses his brain better than SG, his typical language irritates even the Aussies. Remember past is the foundation and if your fundamentals are right then everything falls into place. His attitude of Tit for Tat, had raised the average Indian image abroad. You have to have memory of even Sehwag complimenting SG for his excellentt capataincy and man management. I do not have any grouse against Rahul, but by putting the burden of Capatincy on his shoulder, his performance has also taken a dip.
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by Cricket s on Apr 22, 2007 10:59 PM Permalink
1. There was cricket before Ganguly and there will be Cricket after Ganguly. Ganguly is not the solution to every cricket problem. In fact, if Ganguly retires now that will solve half of the problems. 2. Politics - Ganguly is planning to enter politics after Cricket. We never had a player who entered the team via back-door without proper domestic performances to back it up. Sponosors and politicians helped SG to come back into the team. That is setting a bad precedent. Now Shiv Sena is talking about protests for SRT. 3. SG had poor performances before he was dropped. the team was consistently losing. SG was playing politics with help of Dalmiya to retain his place in the team. 4. Kaif was dropped by SG during the Zim tour in spite of Kaif performing very well in the one-day series including a century against NZ/Bond 5. It is the player's attitude that must be questioned. 6. Appointing SG as a captain is like going two step back. A guy who averages 40 runs over 10 years (in test matcches) should never be in the test team.
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by overblown on Apr 22, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
you moron laras average was 52 something so a average of 40 is quite good. The best of players average around 50 so 40 over 10 yrs is not that bad.
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by Cricket s on Apr 22, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
first discuss based on facts. stop abusing.
40 average is good? not in this day and age man. VS, SRT, Dravid all average above 50. In those days very good batsmen averaged above 50. But they were very few in numbers. These days, every team has at least 2-3 players who average above 50. Even VVS averages close to 50 since 2001.
40 in this era is an ordinary record. There is a very huge difference between averaging 50 and 40.
RE:Not Chappel but Kiran More and Company started the whole soap opera
by kuntal banerjee on Apr 22, 2007 11:59 PM Permalink
go and check ur cricketing knowledge..!!! and then come to speak........ganguly has the best one day avg after sachin.........ganguly had the best batting avg against SL and SA......do u think they are minnows........???
Hey buddy sunny, please try to see if you can do something for the team. Let us all get over with all this blame game. I did not expect this from somebody like you. We have to be mature, and have to make our own team for the cup. If we are going to look at non indian coach to do wonders, we are in for a shock. If you can do some constructive thing, then go ahead, but then stop all this non sense and stop accusing somebody who was selected by you.
Hell to greg ,what's the point criticing him now,Gavaskar should have said some thing about big names in team, who are just hanging in for contracts. The time to invest the contract money is of ut most importance then the game.Acquiring properties, furnishing, Suv's,wardrobs,holidays, outings,bussiness ventures, besides ad campaign and cat walks, dates,media management. where is the time for cricket other then international exposures, there to wine dine,late outings the time chase,dressing room politics. How can one performe consistently in such hectic schedule. Let,s not blame,cut short these players to their actual size, allow them to bite only which they can chew.This will enhence their selve life and provide space for some cricketing reasons then all cricket marketing.
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by raja moses on Apr 22, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
This is the attitude of people. My idol is perfect, he cannot make mistakes! period.My idol is the smartest person, I don't care about the size of the brain he is blessed with!!!!
RE:RE:Regional Idli Sattoo Khaini Paan bhaiyas.
by om pandey on Apr 22, 2007 10:55 PM Permalink
Toma ke, ki hoy che,Tumi bhalo to? Ba ba ki nikho cho. ghumacho.
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by raja moses on Apr 22, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
Most agree Saurav played politics. You seem to be prejudiced against Dravid for no reason.
By the way, you say Bengalis are better. Bengalis also carved out a country of their own that too based on a religion!!! You call this smartness?
RE:RE:Regional Idli Sattoo Khaini Paan bhaiyas.
by Raju Saraswat on Apr 23, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
We know which people feign not to understand Hindi language and ask others to speak in English when making visits to their part of the world. Regional idiots.
RE:Regional Idli Sattoo Khaini Paan bhaiyas.
by om pandey on Apr 22, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Toma ke, ki hoy che,Tumi bhalo to? Ba ba ki nikho cho. ghumacho.
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by karthik on Apr 22, 2007 10:44 PM Permalink
you might be right, please dont abuse dravid. recollect how many matches sourav won because of dravid.
Sir Gavaskar's comments are too late ,it is like when Rome was burning Nero was playing music(same as when Indian cricket has being burnt by Chappel/BCCI ,he was too busy with other things)
Chappel has already destroyed the team. It was clear he was creating division in the team in the name of Junior Vs Senior, mindless experimentation and leaking E mails to media. During all this period Sir Gavaskar should have raised his voice.People would have taken his words as authentic,now even if it is true ,it sounds a more of diplomatic exercise. Particularly ,the way BCCI is behaving ,it is prepostorous to believe that he was not aware of all the wheelings & dealing going on in BCCI. The fundamental fact is that BCC is the most corrpt body worse than even criminals and is more responsible than Chappel. Even criminals would not dare do what BCCI is openinly doing i.e raping openly the Indian cricket in full public view and bring disgrace to country. This is what Sir Gavaskar should point out,if he has any genuine concern for Indian cricket ( & not just Maharastra). he was more identified as Indian legend than only from Mumbai. This would wash his so many acts of ommissions & commissions,including this one ( commenting rightly ,but too late when Indian cricket has been destroyed by Chappel at the behest of BCCI.
RE:His comments against Chappel are too little too late
by NALLANTHIGHAL RAMCHAND on Apr 22, 2007 10:41 PM Permalink
You are 100% right Mr.Narain. People like Gavaskar n Kapil must have raised their voice even before there was damage to the Indian cricket. Before Chapell's entry atleast the team was united and there were no ill-feelings within the team. But his entry has literally divided the team into individuals.
RE:RE:His comments against Chappel are too little too late
by S Narain on Apr 22, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
Kapil is far more honest and he played his game heart out for the country .Rightly , he had the God ordained priviledge to lead India with less talented team ( with rubbish guys like Kirti Azad),he could lead India to lone world cup victory in 83. But we made him suffer and made him cry on TV by accusing him of fixing ,even when he gave so much to country.Shame that we insult the good guys and the selfish ones are more in demand.
Sunny Gavaskar is using a nice bylane to divert attention from the main issue!!
the main issue that our team of overhyped prima donnas and stars who think they are God's gift, failed miserably and went down meekly to Bangla and SL!!
No hunger, no will to win!! Cmon, i mean Gavaskar would have to put on blinkers to not appreciate the fact that Sri Lanka play with so much commitment!!
Lack of commitment by our team, examples :
1) Uthappa not attempting to runout Saqibul when the batsman was atleast 3 meters outside the crease!!
2) Harbhjan not attempting to stop a shot of his own bowling against chamara silva!!
3) Uthappa playing the same atrocious shot in two matches and then playing an even worse shot against Sri Lanka!!
4) Tendulkar not attempting to cover the line against Dilhara!! what does he think?? that dilhara is a club level bowler????
5) Dravid running out yuvraj shmelessly after calling him for a run, that sealed our match against SL, if there was one guy who coluld have taken India to victory over SL, it was Yuvi!!
6) Dhoni making no attempt to even put fight against Bangla and SL!! against Bangla, dhoni knew there was a guy behind coverpoint and yet played the late cut to give catching practice!!
7) Agarkart's irresponsible swipe against SL, when Dravid was still batting!!
8) Ganguly batting slowly against Bangla when he could have taken a few more risks to push the scoring rate!!
Now Mr Gavaskar, go and watch the videos of these matches and then come back and ask yourself!!
IS IT FAIR TO BLAME MR GREG CHAPPELL FOR INDIA'S IGNOMINY?? YOU WILL GET THE ANSWER YOURSELF!!!!
He is always a Man of Politics and will be a fit to be Member of Parliament so that he can traffic mumbaikars into Cricket Team - Australian Tier 3 or Under 14 teams will be enough to beat so call Sachin and Co for the next 15 years under anyone's guidance - Gavaskar please shut...if not anything.
RE:Gavaskar should be an ideal MP
by rama prasad on Apr 22, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
laxmi kiran are u sure u know anything about cricket. gavaskat is absolutely right. sachin is the greatest player india has ever produced and dravid is the worst thing that could have happened to indian cricket. he has taken india to second last. it now is clear how he must have conspired to get ganguly out of the team.
