Why everybody praising ganguly as if he had hit century or something. If that is the case than sehwag had done decent enough in last 2 matches Drop ganguly,sachin sehwag and whole team including coach and selectors. I think even our ranji trophy team can play and perform better than this team.
Chappell or no Chappel is not a big issue. But the point is Indian players are really weak in their mentality. With age and experience players from other teams start performing better than ever. In India, with just 1 or 2 years of fame, Indian players start visiting fashion shows and ad campaigns more often than the playgorund. Indian players complain about too many matches because they miss revenue from more advertisments and fashion shows. No coach can help this situation.
We think captain is great when he wins 50% of the matches. Look at ponting(79% win at home, 73% in away and 94% in neutral venue). Inzamam (70% at home, 52% in away and 63% at neutral), G. Smith(81% home, 38% away and 63% at neutral), Vaughn(57% home, 58% away, 83% neutral), Ganguly(50% home, 50% away, 59% neutral), Dravid(62% home, 38% away, 55% in neutral). This clearly shows indian captains are near bottom of the list. There is a contentment in the Indiam team. They are happy with their records and that makes the difference. No guru can help in these circumstances. All players should be forced to play/practice 5 days every week. The only exception should be fixed number of holidays (planned ahed) and some sick/injury leaves. Our cricketers earn more off the field. So, win/loss hardly matters for them
RE:No guru can help Indian team without change in their attitude
by Abhay T on Apr 03, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
Note- if you take away minnow teams like kenya,BD, zim then ganguly's away record is only 14 of 40 matches (35%). SO, its not as great as it appears.
If thesenior players lacked enthusiasm, if they were unfit for good fielding, WHY DID HE KEEP CHAPPEL keep QUIET EARLIER , HE wanted to just speak to his post and get all the money and now that we are going to Sack him he has started whining . We want a tough coach a leader liek Dravid who owed up responsibility even though he wsnt entirely to blame and not a whiner like Chappel who keep quiet when the times are good and wants to blame others when the going is not good
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 07:39 PM Permalink
first of all whoever u r u just does not seem to get it right. If Dravid has owned up the responsibility then why doesn't he step down from captaincy and retire and go so that I can take over the captaincy. Secondly ppl who know Indian cricket and its associated politics will know the reason why chappel kept quiet. U r a child it seems. don't just mess around over here better go and do ur homework
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by on Apr 03, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
Well Dravid is not resigning because there is no alternative then the tried and failed ones like Ganguly Sehwag Tendulkar ... Secondly We got Chappel from Australia because we wanted a person who would be above the politics associated with Indian Cricket which does nto seem to have happened so it is better to get Gavaskar or Srikant as the coaches right Cause why should we even invest in Foreigners if they are not going to bring about any changes Please think logically before speaking and do not rely on rhetoric
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
dude, ur logic of retaining Dravid will work only against weaker teams and that too is doubtful. The whole of India(except for a few Kannadiga jokers) has accepted Dravid as a meek reserved person who is just not upto the mark as far as captaincy is concerned. In team meetings when we raised our voices he could not justify his point and instead chose to go with the flow. What sort of captain is he? He might be a Wall in batting which is also of late developing huge cracks but as far as captaincy is concerned it's not his cup of tea. It purely belongs to me. Just bcoz BCCI is full of politics he can save his chair else in any other country he would have been shown the door.
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by on Apr 03, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
It is laughable that you refer to Dravid as Weak In terms of Mental strength if there is a cricketer in India it is only Dravid who can compare to an Australian look at the final match we had Ganguly threw away his wicket running down the track, Yuvraj was running and nervous , Tendulkar was not himself , Sehwag did not know whether to attack or not , Uthapa Dhono lesser said the better Throughout there was only One FACE -- One Image -- One Cricketer -- One MAN -- shown defiantly fighting -- going down hitting 4 fours -- asking for at least one more MAN -- THAT WAS RHUL DRAVID -- The MAN referred to as The WALL cause there is not other defence we have other than the Wall . All we have is Offence which never fires So please give me one alternative and I will agree with you
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by K K on Apr 03, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
It is not for Dravid to decide if there is an alternative to him as captain. That is the selectors job. Clearly Yuvraj is a future captain. He should be made the vice captain now so that he can take over in 2 years.
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by on Apr 03, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
As for Yuvraj only comment is , the Indian team is chosen first and then the captain So I doubt in 2 years time Yuvrag will even be in the team The only alternative i can see now is Dinesh Kartick who has a long way to go still
RE:Why was Chappel quiet earlier
by on Apr 03, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
I think Mr Ganguly is quiet now Ganguly Sir -- it is mental resolve that is required not shouting in the dressing room
Reasons of failure of team India. a)Cricket is a team game. If you remove the Captain mercilessly just when he started recovering from a bad patch with a predetermined plan.From one day, from test and then from the team altogether, you disturb the rythm of the team. b)You with vengeance start serching for an alternative to a person who still has a few years of cricket left, then your intentions are clear.You do not think about cricket or the team, you just have a petty agenda of blocking somebody's chances of redemtion, corrections and improvements. c) This petty agenda gets you out of focus. All your energy is concentrated on a negative agenda.You cn not see positive feel positive.In such a situation you can never be a role model. Other players canot accept you as a true leader. d)You also are not consistent in your planning. You go on testing players till the eve of the cup. Instead of encouraging the players going through a bad patch, you abuse them and drop them. You try very mediocre players from the domestic circuit. Here also you do not bring in the most prolific run getters of most wicket taking bowlers from the domestic cicuit. e) In a word you create an air of uncertainty among all the players. The old the new and the not so old. f) In such a given situation you can not get the best from your team. All the members become shaky and uncertain. g) You ruin the team in the process and your expection that players would give their best out of fear psychosis is a wrong theory.Negative incentive is not as rewarding as a positive incentive of appreciation from your coach or captain. " You didnt play? Okay never mind. Actually you should have done this or should not have done this. All right better luck next time, we are with you." h) This is called team spirit. This is called man management. I understand Chappel Rahul combination totally failed to consider this aspect of Indian cricket.They thought they would carry on experiments, drive out all legacies of the past captain and somehow put up a disjointed bunch of brilliant players who will perform for them. This is nver possible. The team spirit left by Saurav legacy continued in the first phase of Rahul Chappel era and won some matches. It evaporated too soon. Too much of experiments and ulterior motive ruined the team and the resultant humiliation for a nation of 125 million followed. This is clear logic. In the circumstances I see only one person standing above the rest to lead India for another two years required for grooming a new leader. This interim Captaincy must go to Saurav Ganguly. Obstinates term me as regionally biased, but it is only a coincidence that he is also an Indian hailing from the East.
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by dtr on Apr 03, 2007 08:10 PM Permalink
The team spirit left by Ganguly was not permanent. Because, it was not based on professionalism. It was based on traditional Indian style of 'Raja and slaves'.
When Ganguly was captain, if he really cared about the future of Indian cricket, he should have established a system, where individuals do not matter, everything is about team. It doesn't matter if the player is senior or junior, they get equal appreciation for their efforts. That system would be a permanent one, and every player in that system should be replaceable including Ganguly. People die, culture stays.
Ganguly is suited for corrupted govt. establishments, not for international cricket.
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by Seenu Subbu on Apr 03, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
Is this all about ONE man!!? Everybody from Gautam Gambhir, RP Singh, Irfan Pathan, Balaji, Uthappa to Sehwag, Tendulkar and even Ganguli have been utter failures. Is this all about "negative focus". Oh these arrogant and ignorant Bengali fans have made it all about Ganguli. Swcre Ganguli,scrwe Tendulkar, scrwe Dravid.. it's about Indian team.
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by Seenu Subbu on Apr 03, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
Kick all these old coots out on their booties and drive them to the fate of dinosaurs, get new folks more opportunities. Ganguli ganguli.. Teil malish Ganguli
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by gopinath yadava on Apr 03, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
Gupta Saheb,
Till how long Indian cricket has to be in the hands of Old Stars (The so called !! Best Batting line up in the world)..and it's high time to kick all souravs, tendulkars, dravids, sehwags (who is known for his arrogance !!not being old), zaheer khans, agarkars ..out of the team and form a new team with young captain (who can atleast listen to a coach) and plan for next world cup .. Our so called stars has screwed up the nation by their best performance ever!!!
Lets call quits..and play with an younger generation who can atleast listen to a coach..
We require guys with top commitment and attitude and who has spirit playing for the nation..(all our OLD stars were having but as the time passed by ..they have forgotten the spirit)
lets pick up the young players and carry on with our young stars and see for the fresh young blood playing for the country .. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 03, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
Age does not matter always. With age people lose many thing but gain far more. You are to weigh the pros and cons. It is not a quetion of emotions but hard logic and rality. Can you discard Heden, McGrath,, Jayasurya, Femming,and a host of other players if not Lara only because they are old? Unless you groom your talents to be able to replace the old there is no point in saying remove the old. My point is all the current players. young old and not so old would have performed much better had there not been the accident Rahul Chappel takeover and gangly ouster. I have a strong feeling out of my experience of studying people for at least 36 years since I attained maturity, Rahul is no captain material. You keephim as captain and you will lose again and again and again. Excuses are easy tofind. Sometimes you say your batsmen have let you down sometimes you say your seniors have let you down sometimes you say your middle order has collapsed sometimes you say that your bowlers did not bowl well sometimes you say you would have won if you could score another 30 runs and so on. But this leads you no where. You are to come as a real friend to your team mates. You are to charge them to get the best of them. You are to use your prudence in all departments of captaincy batting bowling field setting bowler changing batting order changing encouraging enthusing and so on. Here Rahul lags far far behind. Gid knows if he is kept you will see the difference. He will have to make way for new captain very soon because India shall never reach that height under Rahul that it achieved under Saurav.
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
tks man. U r my greatest fan. Atleast some Bengalis give me support if not others.
Mr. Lavakare has succintly summed up what is wrong with our cricketers. To call our cricketers world-class is blasphemous. They are a mediocre bunch, who excel occasionally.One can safely conclude that none of the players can legitimately find a place in the World XI, on the basis of their current form. Like someone has aptly put, our ad-drugged players lack focus and discipline, which explains their awful performance. As rightly suggested by Mr. Lavakare they should play free for a year to compensate for their lack-lustre performance. Also, the Board should stop pampering our players and can indeed consider suspending their contracts, as the Pakistan Board has done for their players. This team - particularly the seniors - behave and function as a Trade Union obviously instigated by some senior ex-cricketers. Further, the Board should suspend all tours for a year and make the players play compulsorily in domestic matches. The domestic system should be drastically ravamped by including atleast two teams from each state/zone and more players from under 19 should be allowed to participate in these events so that many youngsters who are languishing without patronage can come to the fore. Overseas players too can be included in these teams. The Board should utilise the funds in providing better infra-structural and training facilities and to make domestic circuit more competitive and attractive, instead of pampering a handful of players. Continued support for players like Sachin from different quarters particularly from ex and present players reminds me an anecdote on Ford Cars. It seems a gentleman bought a new Ford Car from the show-room and drove for about 50 k.m., when the car suddenly stopped. When he opened the bonnet, to his surprise, he found no engine. Startled, he contacted the work-shop of the Company and narrated the incident. When asked how the car could run without an engine, he was informed that it ran only on the reputation of the brand. Do we still need players who are there only on their reputation and not because of their performance? Mr. Kumble has reportedly said that the public should appreciate the sacrifice made by these players and not overly criticise them. One fails to understand the nature of sacrifice made by these players. Assuming that they have have indeed sacrificed for the sake of the country, are they not more than compensated by hefty payments? And, when the players have gleefully accepted all the accolades, awards, felicitations, media glare, why shirk if criticism comes their way?
The essay is well written and analytical. The person who has written this can become our coach without any doubt, since the author is good in the mind game in his analysis. However, let Chappel also share the blame and atleast for the Bangladesh trip, let him forego his fee.
Chappell's main problem is he wanted to create a team which can win the 2011 world cup. when you come second in 2003, you plan to win the next one, not the one after. In his quest for an illusive 2011 - I am not sure whether he was trying to extend his own job tenure, or letting Australia a walk over - he systematically destroyed a structure that was, indeed, working. For all your theories, someone has to answer why a team gets booted in Round 1 when they were runners up last time around.
RE:2011 not 2007
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
buddy, the team got booted out bcoz of me. I urged all the players to underperform by bribing them
RE:RE:2011 not 2007
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
shut up sukhoi. u will not understand indian cricket. u r a child don't mess up here go and do ur homework.
RE:RE:2011 not 2007
by abhishek dwivedi on Apr 03, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Saurabh...how is Nagma now a days??she must have gone even fatter....why do u like that pumpkin so much??
Indian team officials and management have to show their corage to expell the seniors (Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Zaheer, Agarker) for a short period. Then the youth will get chance to perform.
RE:Nothing will be worst than now!!
by Sourav Ganguly on Apr 03, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
hey how dare u take my name? i have scored 15000 runs in intl ckt. u first do that and then point a finger at me.
RE:Nothing will be worst than now!!
by deep kumar on Apr 03, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
if indian team had gone to WI without saurabh sachin, dravid, bhajji and coach they wd hv reached semis . their replacement were gambhir , laxman, powar, and kartikh ( shd hv played) this kartikh had performed better than all stars in 20-20 tournament. deep
BCCI hired Chappel only to coach the Indian cricket team and enhance their performance. He has miserably failed in that. No doubt, Indian players do have weaknesses. But that'swhy we hired Chappel! To help them overcome those problems! If a student fails, the teahcer has also failed. However to this extent, Chappel may be excused. However, he is more often seen in giving interviews and creating rift amongst the team which is not acceptable. He must be asked to go. And the lesson that BCCI must learn is- Make it a code of conduct for the coach and the team - No media image. No interviews. No public speaking. Coach's fee should also be linked to the performance of the team.
RE:Chappel's Mistakes
by dtr on Apr 03, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
So you admit that Indian team had problems. Then why didn't we select an Indian team that has no problem, then according to your logic we wouldn't even need a coach!!.
Coaches have the ability to understand players' strengths and weaknesses, so they should have voice on the selection procedure.
Guys, I thought of something that would put an end to all the disputes. Regional/Money %u2026everything.
First let%u2019s remove the selector%u2019s board. There shall be no more regional allocations. Not even 0.0001%
Let%u2019s stop blaming the coach or the captain or anybody else in the team. Let%u2019s stop blaming the players for their interest in Ads, that%u2019s none of our business. If he wants that extra money let him earn it.
But if he want%u2019s to be in the team, let him earn it as well. He must have an eligibility to qualify inside the team. Like Duckworth-Lewis rule, which decides a match after rain, let%u2019s put an equation, which recommends a player for the team. Based on performance & consistency.
Simple rules, that would keep the players on their heals & make them really run for their money.
What I have suggested below is just a start, everyone is welcome to make it better. For any player he can accumulate/lose points on 2 different basis. a) regular points b) pressure points
For Batsman on a given ODI if he scores [regular points]
Good economy means good line & length. Let them use their heads on how to contain the batsmen. ; &nbs p;
Extras except byes, leg byes (bowlers can%u2019t be blamed for these extras) [Pressure points]
Extras >5 Points ; -3
And reduction in one point for every 3 subsequent extras.
Fielding
Dropped catch -5 Direct Hit at stumps for run out 5 Over throws ; -2
Add whatever u can think off%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.
Wicketkeeper
Missed stumping -5 Missed ball from fielding -3
Add whatever u can think off%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.
Let all the players be evaluated based on their point system. And very importantly A PLAYER MUST BE EVALUATED ON POINTS IN THE LAST 10 MATCHES ONLY (to keep consistency & keep away records. To avoid players hitting a century and staying in the team for years). And let this points system be followed for every match. The reason for having regular & pressure points is to bring the conscious of the situation on the kind of matches they play. For example a semi is more crucial than league, any decider match is very crucial. So on these occasions the pressure points can be doubled or tripled. Players get the tendency to play better and careful on deciders. Our players work better as individuals rather than as a team %u2013 a general view. Well%u2026..Let it be%u2026 Let us make them do best what they are good at.
