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Reasons of failure of team India.
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 03, 2007 07:33 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Reasons of failure of team India.

a)Cricket is a team game. If you remove the Captain mercilessly just when he started recovering from a bad patch with a predetermined plan.From one day, from test and then from the team altogether, you disturb the rythm of the team.

b)You with vengeance start serching for an alternative to a person who still has a few years of cricket left, then your intentions are clear.You do not think about cricket or the team, you just have a petty agenda of blocking somebody's chances of redemtion, corrections and improvements.

c) This petty agenda gets you out of focus. All your energy is concentrated on a negative agenda.You cn not see positive feel positive.In such a situation you can never be a role model. Other players canot accept you as a true leader.

d)You also are not consistent in your planning. You go on testing players till the eve of the cup. Instead of encouraging the players going through a bad patch, you abuse them and drop them. You try very mediocre players from the domestic circuit. Here also you do not bring in the most prolific run getters of most wicket taking bowlers from the domestic cicuit.

e) In a word you create an air of uncertainty among all the players. The old the new and the not so old.

f) In such a given situation you can not get the best from your team. All the members become shaky and uncertain.

g) You ruin the team in the process and your expection that players would give their best out of fear psychosis is a wrong theory.Negative incentive is not as rewarding as a positive incentive of appreciation from your coach or captain. " You didnt play? Okay never mind. Actually you should have done this or should not have done this. All right better luck next time, we are with you."

h) This is called team spirit. This is called man management.

I understand Chappel Rahul combination totally failed to consider this aspect of Indian cricket.They thought they would carry on experiments, drive out all legacies of the past captain and somehow put up a disjointed bunch of brilliant players who will perform for them.

This is nver possible. The team spirit left by Saurav legacy continued in the first phase of Rahul Chappel era and won some matches.

It evaporated too soon. Too much of experiments and ulterior motive ruined the team and the resultant humiliation for a nation of 125 million followed.

This is clear logic. In the circumstances I see only one person standing above the rest to lead India for another two years required for grooming a new leader.

This interim Captaincy must go to Saurav Ganguly. Obstinates term me as regionally biased, but it is only a coincidence that he is also an Indian hailing from the East.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by India fan on Apr 03, 2007 11:11 PM  Permalink
Keep dreaming, dada will be soon playing in Bangladesh league, while everyone else will tune to Zee cricket league. Old cricketers are of no use but will be of entertainment only to old loser fans.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 04, 2007 12:38 AM  Permalink
Who is that new cricketer bloody? Raina?

Who is the better player?

Who is the better captain?

Keep on dreaming.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Anindya Ganguly on Apr 05, 2007 07:31 AM  Permalink
Indian fan, we lost to bangladesh.

And how do u know bangla league is not better than Ranji league ????

Don't critisize but appreciate bangla for their win, they played to win. we just don't deserve to win.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Ankur Khanna on Apr 03, 2007 09:10 PM  Permalink
what about 'petty agendas' of Saurav Ganguly. These have been known even before the current crisis.

Some might be false, but there cannot be smoke without fire.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 09:25 AM  Permalink
the guy anku has gone crazy..

needs shock treatment.

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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 04, 2007 07:44 AM  Permalink
Ankur tries to be too smart.

Are Bengalis out of India?

Is Saurav not Indian.

Some of you write as if the Eastern part do not belong to India.

It is a pathetic conjecture someone with a Bengali name supporting Saurav is immediately termed as anti national or anti Indian.

What would you say when people all over India demand for restoring captaincy to Ganguly?

Are Maninder Singh Ajay Jadeja Ashok Malhotra to say the least, not Indians?



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RE:Reasons of failure of team India.
by Ifear paceman on Apr 08, 2007 11:07 AM  Permalink


Bangladesh was playing with 12 players in WC win against India. whereas India played with 10 players.



Ganguly played for himself and Bangladesh.







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Indian Captain and Thereafter !
by ASIM MEHTANI on Apr 03, 2007 03:41 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

I will like to highlight certains below points, which will clearly shows the bad captaincy by Rahul Dravid :



1. He failed to read the pitch during

Bangladesh Match, otherwise he should have

opted to field first !



2. Despite of low score, he failed to motivate

the whole team to show agressiveness on the

field to build a psychological pressure on

Bangladesh batsmen atleast to give a try

for winning a match !



3. He did not include Irfan Pathan during

Bermuda Match ! I know, Pathan was out of

form, then, why he was included in world

cup squad. If he was included, then he

should be also given a chance to play, and

the match against Bermuda was the right

time ! He might have returned to form and

confidence after taking certain wickets !

This should have helped him to play against

Sri Lanka, and moreover India was fielding

first, which should have helped him to

swing the ball both the ways due to earlier

moisture, and put Sri Lankan batsmen under

more pressure ! This may help India to

restrict Sri Lanka to cross 200 runs !

Apart from this, he is also a good batsman,

therefore, India should have got additional

batsman !



4. Anil Kumble had played well against

Bermuda, then why he was not included

against Sri Lanka ! What Harbhajan Singh

had done ?



5. Dravid failed to co ordinate with ex

Captains ! Ganguly was put in the deep mid

wicket ! Why ? God knows ! At the difficult

times, all the ex xaptains should have been

nearer to exchange the views and

suggestions for trying to deliver the best

at the difficult situation ! Hardly there

were conversations between Dravid and

Ganguly on the field to chalk out the

strategis under the prevailing situation!



Despite of above facts, I do not think that the Captain should be changed, and even it will be wise decision ! But of course, Dravid should be given certain guidelines to improve his captaincy as per the following :



1. First of all he should bury all his

personal egoes into the dustbin !



2. Secondly, he should be asked to make

himself more pro active !



3. Thirdly, he should be asked not to make his

face panic during the difficult times ! Be

brave, keep the head cool, which will help

him to take the correct decision !



4. Try to learn from positive criticism !



5. Approach to all players, listen to them

patiently, and try to know their

grievances, and take care their

concerns !



Apart from above, selectors should clearly instruct other players, that they do not want any rubbish in the team, they are free to express their views for the betterment of the team by sharing with captain, and decision of the captain will be final on the ground, and everyone have to follow the same honestly without any exception !



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RE:Indian Captain and Thereafter !
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 09:27 AM  Permalink
totally agreed man..

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RE:Indian Captain and Thereafter !
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 03:49 PM  Permalink
BCCI will be extremely pleased to read your suggestions. Sharad Pawar will contact you from time to time for consultation.

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RE:Indian Captain and Thereafter !
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 04:20 PM  Permalink
... assuming Sharad Pawar wants to improve Indian cricket

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RE:Indian Captain and Thereafter !
by Sreeram Ramaswamy on Apr 03, 2007 05:05 PM  Permalink
It is poor play on the field and Pawar play in the Board

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Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by Varad Chaturvedi on Apr 03, 2007 03:07 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Cricket is increasingly becoming a batsman's game and in the last 10 yrs, batsman have set about making tons of runs, records and achievements. The main reason one can attribute this too is the samness of the pitches available throughout the world. I wouldn't classify them as perfectly placid or batting paradise but highly loaded in favour of batsmen. Keeping Lara & Tendulkar aside, here is my take on the other great batsmen in the world.
1 & 2 are Lara & Tendulkar respectively in ranking.
3. Ricky Ponting - I think the australian captain stands the best chance to eclipse most of the batting records because of the sheer weight of runs that he has been scoring over the past 2-3 yrs. The immensely talented tasmanian could end up making 45 centuries in test and 40 in one dayers and has the potential to be at No.1 position for a long time if he is not there already.
4. Jacques Kallis - The consistency of the burly allrounder is amazing. He may not be the most dominating or attractive batsmen to watch but certainly possesses the best technique along with Dravid in the game. Undoubtedly the best allrounder in the game for last 10 yrs.
5. Rahul Dravid - The Wall of India is certainly amongst top 5/6 batsmen in the world. Possesses wonderful technique, unflappable temprament and has the ability to play well in difficult circumstances. He is attractive too when he wants too and he is certainly one of the icons of Indian batting for many years to come.
6. Mathew Hayden - The burly australian opener who possesses the unique ability to intimidate opposition bowlers consistently. The ability is unique because one normally associates caution with openers but here is one who plays with disdain after he settles down. I think he is a power house,not necessarily blessed with immense talent but certainly immense power, concentration and steely resolve and temprament.
7. Mohammad Yousuf - One of the classiest batsmen going around. Has loads of time when he bats and plays wonderfully attractive shots. Its a spectators delight to see him play and makes batting look very easy. He is very much in the mould of Zaheer Abbas and is in contention for one of the premier batsmen pakistan have ever produced.
8. Inzamam Ul Haque - Well what can u say about the sultan of multan. One of the finest batsmen pakistan has ever produced. Wide range of strokes,unflappable temprament and ability to play match winning knocks out of position of difficulty. Was a difficult choice between Yousuf and Inzamam. Very little to separate them.Dont make the mistake of judging him by the shape of his body or languid walk to the crease.He is a serious player.
9 & 10 would be between Kevin Petersen and Kumar Sangakara. They have the potential to reach higher places i must say. KP can become no.1 batsmen in the test arena also. He has amazing handspeed with the bat, domineering effect over the bowlers and wide array of strokes. Just needs to be a little more selective. English selectors need to leave him the way he is. .
Kumar Sangakara , srilankan wicket keeper batsmen would rank no.10. One of the most consistent batsmen in the world.Give him the credit, he does a brilliant job behind the stumps and in front as well. Make more big scores and he could be amongst the top 5 pretty soon. Comeon viewers and writers make your top 10 list too.

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by Varun Chaturvedi on Apr 04, 2007 09:01 PM  Permalink
Dear varad

I guess keeping the title current crop in mind, I guess you should also mention the names of Fleming and Gayle in the list.
I agree Gayle may not be in great form as of now, but he is one of the most devastating batsman in the world. He has ability to turn around game single handedly.
Also Fleming has been the best Player for NZL after Martin Crowe.
Considering him to be from NZL,where wickets are not supportive to batsman,he has come a long way.

Also missing from your list is somebody like Jayasuriya

Varun Chaturvedi

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by Ankur Khanna on Apr 03, 2007 03:15 PM  Permalink
why is Sachin Tendulkar in the list which is called 'Current crop'
If you are using historical facts you should rename the list, and maybe you can also add Sunil Gavaskar and Viv Richards up there

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by Varad Chaturvedi on Apr 03, 2007 03:21 PM  Permalink
Well ankur get your facts right!!. He may not have played well in the important matches but he still is a wonderful player and has been one. You have a short memory, get back to malaysia in september last yr, he scored a big century and look at his record in ODI's in last 15 matches. He has not given up on the game and is still amongst the best players in the world though i agree that he doesnt seem to be playing like one.dont be biased and opportunist, give your suggestions rationally. Lets look at ur list and see what u have to say for your top 10 players. All the best mate.

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 04:23 PM  Permalink
I think, Smith of SA will also do great things.

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by anupama singh on Apr 04, 2007 12:22 AM  Permalink
Failing in pressure situation
ODI

Won Chasing Target
Sachin- 101 4397 134 58.62 13 23
Dravid- 72 2124 109* 49.39 2 19
Ponting- 77 2670 124* 53.40 4 17

In Quater Finals
Sachin- 3 210 141 70.00 1 0
Dravid- 2 57 48 28.50 0 0
Ponting- 3 118 46 39.33 0 0

In Semi Finals
Sachin- 7 232 83 33.14 0 2
Dravid- 4 28 58 42.66 0 1
Ponting-5 71 37 14.20 0 0

In Finals
Sachin - 36 1487 134 47.96 4 9
Dravid- 23 690 103* 34.50 1 3
Ponting- 33 1217 140* 45.07 2 6

All Finals
Sachin- 47 1954 141 46.52 5 11
Dravid- 30 943 103* 37.72 1 5
Ponting- 41 1406 140* 40.17 2 6

In Series Won
Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26
Dravid- 76 2645 153 42.66 2 22
Ponting- 177 7245 145 47.98 18 45


In Test
100's in Tests India Won - 12
100's in Tests India Lost - 8
100's in Test Drawn - 15

Holds the record of maxium number of 100's for loosing team...That means a lone warrior..Thats why once Indian Cricket Team was called as ONE MAN ARMY!!!!

More Intresting Part!!!!!!!!
Often said Sachin gets fail at crunch situation...Well 1st we must admit that when Sachin on the crease Win is sure...As soon Sachin gets out..the situation becomes crunchy!!! Sachin is out,now who will win match for us?? Dravid ?? or Sehwag?? or Yuvraj?? Or Ganguly?? No one sure who will win match for them...
So bcoz of this thing Teams targets Sachin as the most precious wicket...
Nasser Hussain introduced Negative lines for Sachin Tendulkar to stop the flow of runs when he is on wicket!!!
Local umpires also involved some times to help their team against Sachin Tendulkar,espeically Australians!
Some incidents striking in my mind...I think Sachin is the player who got out maximum numbers of times bcoz of bad or wrong decision by Umpires..I m producing those incidents only which I remember,there may be many other too

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RE:Current Crop of Star Batsmen in the World
by bb bbb on Apr 04, 2007 07:02 AM  Permalink
thank you, thank you for giving the right stat. We put too much pressure on Sachin and yet he survives. I think turning point (for worse) in his
mental preparation came after the Pakistan test which we lost. He played very well with Mongia. He had back problems, got India within 30-40 odd runs of the victory and lost his wicket. India lost the match and people blamed Sachin not rest of the 'gang'. Since then he has shown some weakness in pressure situation. We forget very easily how he must have felt when India lost that match. Now he constantly has to live with the tag of a chocker... I think you were right on the target. Look at Brian Lara, with his mastery W.I. is still a medicore team.


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Hello friends
by Zeeshan on Apr 03, 2007 02:57 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Hi friends, can anyone tell me still mandira bedi is doing commentry on Setmax, bec. i can't watch this channel in gulf.

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RE:Hello friends
by Ankur Khanna on Apr 03, 2007 02:59 PM  Permalink
Mandira Bedi has consistently performed over the last few years.
Mandira Bedi should be made the captain

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RE:Hello friends
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 09:30 AM  Permalink
mandira looks like joker..
she always speaks rubish,
no intelligency at all..
I dont know, why SET mAX hires such
stupid lady..


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RE:Hello friends
by Indian on Apr 04, 2007 11:02 AM  Permalink
And sometimes she is not wearing blouse

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RE:Hello friends
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 03:23 PM  Permalink
Which place has she performed? I am very eager to watch her performance live.

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RE:RE:Hello friends
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 04:27 PM  Permalink
She comes in Extra Innings by Charu Sharma in Sony TV channel. There will be also a pathetic Hindi commentary during the games.

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RE:Hello friends
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 04:41 PM  Permalink
Arun Lal, Kirmani, Maninder Singh etc will be the comentators, I guess??? These poor men obviously cannot get the same offers like Gavaskar, Shastri, Manjrekar etc.

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Team India (Pepsi)
by Ankur Khanna on Apr 03, 2007 02:52 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Do you think Pepsi will allow any of their guys to be thrown out of the Team. Even though most of them have been failures, can BCCI afford to do something like that

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RE:Team India (Pepsi)
by India fan on Apr 03, 2007 03:24 PM  Permalink
Yes there is a strong player/agent nexus in team selection there is news regarding this in Indiatimes. Also, check out the timing of Pepsi ads (all players who endorse the brand even when they are not selected) soon get into the team. Pepsi should be blacklisted as a sponsor.

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RE:Team India (Pepsi)
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 04:33 PM  Permalink
According to 'Power Shift' by Alvin Toffler, future wars will be decided by MNCs operating in rival countries. During Siachen war with Pak, Pepsi and Coke did not release any ad favouring India, because they are present in both the countries. Pepsi may have to approve Indian cricket team composition.

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RE:Team India (Pepsi)
by Minto on Apr 03, 2007 10:02 PM  Permalink
Not only does Pepsi want the big guys to stay, the Board would not want them out either. The board may have development of cricket in its mind, but the money matter will trump everything else. There is a series of games that India plans to play against Australia in third countries. They will mean big cash. If the board axes big players, the revenue from moonlighting will dry up. No one will watch these games. Moreover, there is no immediate replacement for Sachin, Sourav, Rahul, Yuvraj etc.
On the other hand, India's mugging by BD may have deflated the value of the team already.

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Mujhe Kuchh Kehna Hai !
by momin jamal ahmed on Apr 03, 2007 02:26 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Of all the players currently playing for India, only Dravid deserves to be the captain. The changes that are required are:
1) Get a better coach for Indian team (Chappel-Joota by no angle seems to be a coach).

2)Change the selectors panel and make such people selectors who select players based on the required strategy not on the base of influency (eg. Sehwag who has forgot cricket).

3)Remove Sachin, Sehwag, Ganguly & Dhoni as they are selfish and play for their own benefits.

Hope my suggestion is considered...
Thank You.

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RE:Mujhe Kuchh Kehna Hai !
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 09:35 AM  Permalink
how did u come to a conclusion that dravid deserves to be captain..

we need better explaination man..

Yuvi could be better captain.



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RE:Mujhe Kuchh Kehna Hai !
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 04:36 PM  Permalink
There is one selector from every region of India. How can they ignore players from their own region?

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RE:captaincy myth
by Ankur Khanna on Apr 03, 2007 01:55 PM  Permalink
Ganguly lead his team at a time when our Big three were at their best
unfortunately all of them are old horses now (except Dravid)

Dravid has always been commmitted to the team and has won a lot of matches for India, on difficult pitches.

It is true that Dravid has no godfather and Ganguly always had one, even when he was performing poorly with the bat.

It is also true that the Ganguly and his boys and failed to show any committment to team India, the kind of commitment and flexibility that Dravid showed under Ganguly.


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RE:RE:captaincy myth
by Lotiya Pathan on Apr 04, 2007 09:33 AM  Permalink
u r pathetic man..
dravid has godfather called chappel
for keeping his captaincy..

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RE:RE:captaincy myth
by Ifear paceman on Apr 08, 2007 11:10 AM  Permalink

Bangladesh was playing with 12 players in WC win against India. whereas India played with 10 players.

Ganguly played for himself and Bangladesh.




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RE:captaincy myth
by Ravi chandran on Apr 03, 2007 01:32 PM  Permalink
What is Dravid's record in the last 10 overseas matches?

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RE:captaincy myth
by Sanjay Sharma on Apr 03, 2007 01:27 PM  Permalink
ganguly ne bangladesh aur srilankaa ke against beda garg karwyaa thaa run usney kyaa apney leye baneye are wo jamney ke baad end tak khel saktaa thaa

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