RE:HISTORY OF JIHAD (ISLAMIC CRIMANLITY),
by Anwar on May 31, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
u donkey dont copy paste the false statements i told these blady like u guys read quran and hadis
Most tenets - Islam, christianity, Sikhism et al that have sprung up over the last 2000 years have a few things in common - eradicating the evils that infested the society. some of these are Idol worship, discrimination or disparities(essentially the caste system), and superstition that were prevalent when the spiritual gurus taught people to rise against them. Over a period of time, however, these tenets - or shall we say religions - lost their founding principles as is apparent from the practices the followers of these beliefs follow.
Talk about Classless society. Do we have any religion - or community - which has actually been able to do away with this phenomenon? Every religion today has classes, sub classes and community e.g. Mazhabi Sikhs, Shias, Momins etc.
Superstitions are an area best left undiscussed. It is impossible to find a tenet without people who are not superstitious.
Last but certainly not the least - Idol Worship. The forms of Idols and methods of worship may be different, but idol worship does flourish in EVERY religion - i am yet to find a Sikh home without the photograph of a Guru or a Muslim household without a Mecca photo. Worship can happen even without lighting an incense stick.
As it appears from what we see around us is, without any disrespect to any sect or tenet, that these so called evils are essentially Human Traits which are difficult, if not impossible, to eradicate from our minds.
We still do not know what drives us to Faith - in some
RE:Global Idol
by Mahendra Patel on Jun 01, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
RUSSIA WAS CLASS LESS SOCIETY- You know What happened- Whole country Was drunk and ADDICTED to VODKA. So dear Theory and it's practical result both count- Now So called "RELIGION OF PEACE" as it is PRACTICED IS 180 DEGREE OPPOSITE OF IT, and still there are people Who defend it on this forum- same is true for Commies (left Ideology), First ask Probing Question before Defending it LIKE a PARROT
Please read Hadisa. Hadisa is Quran in action and as sacred to muslim as Quran is. By reading hadisa one can know what is jehad in Islam.
Jehad is fight against non belivers. In non belivers Hindus are at lowest category. Chiristian and Jews are atleast Ham Kitab ( religions from same book) but Hindus have no chance. They are made to be either killed or they have to accept Islam for survival.
and once aperson accept Islam he has no exit route. APOSTATE ( reconversion to native faith)is not allowed in Islam. Once some tribe man after getting converted to Islam got disellusioned and wanted to go back . Mohamud ordered his followers to kill them....
RE:Please read Auto biograpy of Mohumad
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
Bhai, that is what I am telling. We know very little about Islam and Mohamud. That is why they are trying to befool us by issuing such misleading Fatwas.
A true muslim will always hate Hindus. Please try to find out the cocept of GAZI . A gazi is one who kills a Kafir and is as respectable as a HAZI ( who perform Haz) is in muslim society
RE:Please read Auto biograpy of Mohumad
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
yes jack. That is why I said Hadisa is Quran in action. It is interpretation of Quran so Hadisa is very helpful in understanding Islam
and by careful reading of Hadisa one can get the answere of muslims behaviour worlwide
RE:Please read Auto biograpy of Mohumad
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 11:05 PM Permalink
You will see what you want to see. If I am neutral I will praise Gandhiji just the way the world does, if I am an Indian I will love him and if I dont like him then how will I write anything good about him. Read books of neutral sources not of people who hate. And by the way you only get what you look for, Look for peace and you will get it in Islam
RE:double talk
by Orissa India on May 31, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
No Sir, Let us also understand that they possibly are intent upon joining the mainstream. Let us welcome all good attempts to strengthen India.
But it would have been nice if tehy issued a contextual fatwa saying that henceforth Muslims will not serve as Votebanks for CongressI, Left parties and the so called 3rd Front.
This is a shot in the arm for BJP. BJP isteh future of India and Indians.
RE:double talk
by kumar mangat on May 31, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
Muslims have started realising that congress needs them only during elections and have never bothered about their economic and social status. So a sizeable percentage of muslims have indeed voted for bjp during karnataka elections.
RE:double talk
by kumar mangat on May 31, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
If muslims are silent about a terrror incident hindus question why no muslim cleric is condemning it and now when they have denounced it still they have a problem.
Indian Muslims are INDIANS by having a prejudice against there way of life which is the BEST and fair you are creating a divide. Just is gotta be the same for any neutral person regardless of religion or nationality. There are people in united states opposing crime against humanity committed by Americans, likewise majority of Muslims don't believe in terrorism. By hurling abuses against Islam ( all those guilty of insulting Islam check your life are you happy if not this is one of the reason)and doubting you are only creating a divide. For all those having biases against Islam please read what it says and you will only end up agreeing with it. May Almighty give peace to my country and my people, an understanding of truth. Amen
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by Imran on May 31, 2008 10:34 PM Permalink
This is the verse from holy Quran. Vinay hope it answers your question. You your way and I mine in terms of belief, but Islam teaches I cant transgress your rights as human. How can all worship lead to GOD? however all worships intentions can be for GOD. You are a hindu not because you adopted it as your way of life. This is something which has been passed on for generations without questions.However your great grandfather and your profession, education, lifestyle might have been changed north to south. This applies to all Muslims, Hindus we dont question or study our own religion. Understanding some1 else's faith whos got the time boss. But when you do there are striking similarities. I can say that with experience. 109:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith! 109:2 I worship not that which ye worship, 109:3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109:4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine.
RE:RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by sachin on May 31, 2008 10:47 PM Permalink
"How can all worship lead to GOD? ..." This is root cause of problem. How can you say it does not reach to god.
RE:RE:RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 10:56 PM Permalink
Sachin,
If you feel all worship lead to same GOD then y do people go to shirdi when mount mary or sidhivinayk is nearby.( By the way in case if you believe in Sai baba. His quote is Sabka Malik Ek and if you know his life majority of his answers were Allah Malik) Diffrence of route does affect destination and I dont think this is any news. For Muslims God is the judge and we are not advised to judge on that.
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by sachin on May 31, 2008 11:01 PM Permalink
Because We people are tolerant. If you are getting peace and your god by worshipping All mighty, you worship, we don't have problem.
Same token why u should have problem if some hindu worship by idol worshipping.Hindu sees his god in idol, and also addionally he gets power by concentration
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by sachin on May 31, 2008 11:26 PM Permalink
Imran, Your god is your malik, my god is mera malik. Boss. Are you aware all Fascisit concept are based on superiority syndrome. This syndrome tells me i am superior than you.
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 11:18 PM Permalink
Who is stoping you from that. You your way and me mine. That is what Quran tell:) Please dont believe in all the you read specially if its for ISLAM. Remember what Saibabae said Sabka Malik Ek And Allah Malik
RE:RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
That was wrong.Please quote me an from Gita or Veda on crime against humanity. from Islam Any one who have killed an innocent life is guilty of killing the whole humanity and anyone who saves an innocent life will be rewarded for saving whole humanity. And by the way it is time for us to move on from hindus killed during partition and muslims massacared during partition and riots. Life is in forward direction is success backward direction only gives excuse to justify over faliures and laziness in present.
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink
tell me categorically---- what treatment shouuld be given to a idol worshipper as per Quran?
Whay Islam does not permit APOSTATE ( Reconversion if some one wants to leave Islam)
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
The treatment will depend on situation, If they fight you, fight.This does not need any justification holy Geeta is based upoon the same concept in case if the enemy is even your brother fight for truth. Else in a normal situation 109:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine. It is adviced against calling an atheist an atheist in Islam for only God knows what that person believes in. Kafir is an atheist. Hinduism has idol worship but tell me Vinay what about all those social workers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy,Swami Vivekanand etc. If you read their philosophy they too have rejected idol worship! As for Apostate, it only shows muslims belief in Islam. In India people are free but how many people leave Islam, who is stopping them? Google it you will see a very small number of muslims have taken any ohter religion and these unfortunate where those who never got a chance to understand Islam. On the other side, priest from christanity, Hinduism, celebrities, commonman all are embracing Islam even today. There must be something in it that makes it followers loayl to it. You seem to be a real soul wanting answers may God guide you. Amen
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by sachin on May 31, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
The whole problem is almighty boss. You see question
RE:RE:RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by imran Ahmad on May 31, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink
You are not serious about your name bro. I can understand its fun to give fundas on net:)who is stopping. But in case you are a believing Hindu then i will like to remind you of Karma theory.any action will reaps its fruits and your hatred against muslim is definitely affecting your life. Change it to understanding and see the peace and miracle.
RE:If you say there is a problem and if you dont there is a problem
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2008 10:17 PM Permalink
please tell what islam says about idol worshipper and what treatment it ask for its followeres to give to Idol worshipper.
Does Islam say that all way of worship leads to GOD
There are some elements in islam who use violence but thankfully they are getting fewer and fewer.anybody in islam who uses violence is shunned by the community.but unfortunately hindus have not taken a leaf from the muslims.people like advani who was instrumental in demolishing babri masjid and even modi of gujrat are glorified.fanatics of any hue should not be tolerated
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by Guest on May 31, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
"anybody in islam who uses violence is shunned by the community"...what....are you kidding me?? there wereno peace marches in the country when people were dying left right and center all over the world. you people were sitting at the comfort of your home trying tocome up with a plan on how to distract all tht negative attention you are getting by projecting yourself as a scapegoat or now atrocities are committed on your lot. Some "neverheardever" cleric somewhere says tht he condems and you expect us to believe tht its the voice of your community? Why are you holding on to the babri masjid issue like you hold onto your dear life in a plane crash? Did you ever think tht in a town (ayodhya)which is very significant to hindus and a town full of hindu temples how could a mosque come up? This was thanks to the useless Mughals who ruined everything just to build a mosque. But hindus never hold any grudge or keep reminding moslems of the atrocities that were committed on them.
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by Rash Group on May 31, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
Advaniji & Modiji are not convicted by any courts. Whereas terrorists like afzal, sabeel, madani etc r roaming free. soon they will get the fate of sohrabuddin
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by observer on May 31, 2008 10:15 PM Permalink
modi has been denied visa to states year after year.still looking for proof.
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by observer on May 31, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
The demolition of babri mosque led to riots throuh out india in which thousands of innocent people were killed.it led to the mumbai riots and then the mumbai bomb blasts.who was responsible for all this,you guessed it right sir,our own iron men.te is roaming free and soon hopes to become the PM of india.all at the cost of innocent people.
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by Orissa India on May 31, 2008 10:27 PM Permalink
Observer ..... come on your ISI is not going to help you for long. Show your colours man ... if your Iman and parentage is OK
RE:What about Advaniji and Modiji
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2008 10:25 PM Permalink
any country can deny visa. what is so gr8 in it? If what US does it always correct then its occupation of Afganistan and Iraq is also correct
So why muslims are making noise. just lie down and enjoy the rape by USA
