the holy book qurn is abused and mis interpreted for people benefit... which is spreading this terrorism.. quran should be taught in only licenced places and the maulvis who know it well .. because they have only written on point which maulvis and terrorists are misusing it.. its written if u find any one who is not praying to allah he is Kafir, now its clearly written.. if this Kafir is not allowing u to pray to allah and disturbing you, then u defend yourself if he attacks and in that fight he gets killed u wont get punished. not the terrorist and maulvis has swallowed the words and meaning they say.. who dont pray allah are kafir and we are asked to kill them
RE:quran teaching should be institutionalised
by rgopi on May 21, 2008 02:13 PM Permalink
You are a camel piss drinking muslim, your english is a give away, dont fart under water
RE:quran teaching should be institutionalised
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
yes, it shud me made compulsary. This will make us to understand the false hood which is being spread. Quran preaches hate for idol worshipper in particular. It asks believers ( muslims ) to break idols , kill idolworshipers or convert them. it proved heavens for those who kill idol worshipper. It says that Islam is the only true religion.
Let us make these teaching public and let people decide that thses teaching are good for humanity or not
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Jammy boy on May 21, 2008 02:06 PM Permalink
Raj Doing a little analysis you will understand that though no holy book preaches violence but the Quran & Bible teaches the supremacy of their religion than other,So called Mullas & Saints often misguide innocent people by spreading hatred for others & also prject that their religion is in danger,Religion being emotional issue any body gets carried away easily. Muslims being more agrresive of the two they started killing people by bomb blasts,Christian started converting Hindus to Christians by paying money to the poor. The severity & attacks on Hinduism is increased & it is bound to continue so in many folds, The time has come all Hindus shall together to teach the anti Hindus a lesson, VANDE MATARAM JAI BHARAT...
RE:RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by bandu bondu on May 21, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
yes raj. See in PAK. a Muslim country, BDESH a muslim country still terrorist r there. There in NO hindu who attacking.
Basically these madrasa are produceing terrorist every year like our ICSE,CBSE,ISC etc.
RE:RE:RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Rajesh on May 21, 2008 01:58 PM Permalink
hahhaha true true..
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 01:58 PM Permalink
Bhai, this will make PM to loose his sleep.
RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Mahen Mishra on May 21, 2008 01:58 PM Permalink
No quran does not ask Islam people to kill.. its hypocrites assumption.... clear your misunderstanding please...
RE:RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Rajesh on May 21, 2008 02:01 PM Permalink
i m clear about quran hence saying.. this.. they have only written on point which maulvis and terrorists are misusing it.. its written if u find any one who is not praying to allah he is Kafir, now its clearly written.. if this Kafir is not allowing u to pray to allah and disturbing you, then u defend yourself if he attacks and in that fight he gets killed u wont get punished. not the terrorist and maulvis has swallowed the words and meaning they say.. who dont pray allah are kafir and we are asked to kill them
RE:RE:ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORIST (but all terrorists are Muslim) surprising need to read Quran again
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 02:01 PM Permalink
Mahen, have u read quran? what is the explanation of similar behaviour of muslim world over? What is muslim brother hood. What is believer and non believer concept?
Why the minority are being traeted as third class citizen in all muslim majority society ( including Kashmir in India)
Nothing will happend with these typr of man. What happend with AFJAL after HANG words given by SC.
Indian politicians is the dirtyist politician compare to the world. People of=INDIA really Good thats wy After doing nothing after 1047, Cong still inPower.
1)Of all the people around the world killed in terror strikes,49.5% are from India..
3)The people killed in terror in India is more than the people killed in Iraq and Afganistan put together....
In India Cong govt wants a federal agency for terror attcks but not any special anti terror law.....the argument is when in NDA regime we had POTA ,Parl attack happened and other terror attcks happened................
This defies logic.....suppose you have typhiod and doc prescrible a medicine of 250mg,and you are not cured......so what the doc will do........either he can stop the medicine or he can increase the dose of medicine......answer is anybody guess........
The reason for these conviction is due to TADA court...and Maharastra has MCOCA
RE:TADA/POTA
by sameer on May 21, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
glenn the problem with these laws is that as our police is corrupt, these laws are used against innocent indians often without trial.
it is like giving typhoid drugs(500MG and more) to healty poeple who need food.
RE:TADA/POTA
by Umair on May 21, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
Dear Glenn, given your logic u seem to be impressive.
But on the other hand wat if the medicine is used on the people who do not acually have typhoid.
considering the encounter history of indian police and the fact that we all know about the working and credibility of our police. Does it really make sense to give such rights in the hands of them?
Please read about Assam rifles attrocities and then talk about wat shud and shud not be implemented. read the link below its from rediff itslef
RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
There is a panel of judges from high court who reviews each case.....and if any innocent is punished strict action provision are there for Police officials.........recently many IPS officer were sent to jail.........
RE:RE:TADA/POTA
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
Sammer, u r not giving a solution . U r only telling problems.
Idealism will help. Give practicle solution. How r u going to handle a person/ organisation which is expert in terroist activity and which is resourseful
RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
When USA,UK,and australia has special laws for terrorism,why not in India......the human rights group are very strong in west compare to asian countries...........
RE:TADA/POTA
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
I agree Glenn. Terrorism is a organised crime. It has to be dealt differntly. Terrorist cannot be punished with normal Laws. These has to different provision for terrorism. They are experts. with normal law they can go unpunished.
RE:RE:TADA/POTA
by Umair on May 21, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
dear Glenn,
I understand your concern for the problem of Terrorism.
"see it is the same logic....if you have a common ailment you go to a general physician.........but some connected to hear or brain you need expert and hitech equipments for say surgery"
see the problem lies here...
POTA or TADA or any such law cud have been effective but in the hands of experts.
You can not just give the control of Airplane to the people who only know driving Truck that too with several accidental history.
RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
see it is the same logic....if you have a common ailment you go to a general physician.........but some connected to hear or brain you need expert and hitech equipments for say surgery,
RE:RE:TADA/POTA
by Umair on May 21, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
Dear Glenn,
get the fact out of the wat is told. I will give you example of 'Daya Nayak'.
you must be knowing about him... 4-5 films has been made on his life.
-Daya Nayak has been accused of numerous fake encounters. -You remember the news abt the terrosit killed in Gujrat accussed of planning to kill Modi and Advani, turned out to be a embridory man. He was too tortured and killed by Nayak.( worst thing is, wen he was encounterd media gave the full coverage on front page and wen his brother reopend the case only TOI published that and that too on 4th page side coloumn). -Daya Nayak has crors Rs. of Property in his and his wife name.
Still he was suspended and called back for duty with respect.
we all know the long process of our judicial system and how the things work.
there are numerous example like Vanzara, Rajbeer SIngh etc.
wat happend... nothing...
My dear the problem is with the rool and not with the branches of our Judicial tree.
RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
See Daya Nayak is an encounter specialist not a TADA/POTA specialist.........Vanzara is still in suspension and case is there in court......R.P.sharma IPS is convicted and his serving in jail..........it is only for laws like MCOCA the mumbai police were able to crushed down Gangs...............
RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
This is what most of us are saying,a federal agency for terror with special anti terror laws.........even most of the allies of UPA does not want this,coz they feel that the govt at centre can use this agency for personal benefits...........you know CBI does not have any jurisdiction in any case till state Govt gives a go.........................
RE:RE:TADA/POTA
by pramod kumar on May 21, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Well said Umer If people like u ll come forward then we can fight terrorism in a much better way but i have on disscussion board hindus sings godhra and now jaipur and muslim sings gujrat. think like indians all of us have to stay here in this country only and together we can make it better
RE:TADA/POTA
by Vinay Gupta on May 21, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
Glenn , these people either donot understand as to how terrorist operate or supports Jehad on pretex or other
RE:RE:TADA/POTA
by Glenn on May 21, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
and why MCOCA was introduced was coz...there used to be a time in mumbai,in which even if you buy a small flat gangters used to call you for extortion..........now it is still prevelant but not to that extent.......
RE:TADA/POTA
by Umair on May 21, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
yes dear and i truly understand your concern.
But see again the problem is with the root. If u have read the link i sent you abt Assam you would see how wrongly that law is being used.
Wat i beleive personally, it is the time for the youth to understand what we really want to make this country. I have been visiting this discussion board for abt 2 months and found the level of hatred between people of diffrent relegion, cast and states. The thing which make me upset the most is they all are educated.
Still they are being played as puppets in the hands of politicians and so called relegious scholars.
RE:TADA/POTA
by Umair on May 21, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
dear Glenn,
I understand your concern for the problem of Terrorism.
"see it is the same logic....if you have a common ailment you go to a general physician.........but some connected to hear or brain you need expert and hitech equipments for say surgery"
see the problem lies here...
POTA or TADA or any such law cud have been effective but in the hands of experts.
You can not just give the control of Airplane to the people who only know driving Truck that too with several accidental history.
1)Of all the people around the world killed in terror strikes,49.5% are from India..
3)The people killed in terror in India is more than the people killed in Iraq and Afganistan put together....
Internatinal anti terror laws..
1)In U.K a person can be detained for 28days before producing in court of law...
2)A non resident in USA can be detained for life time for terror attacks...
In India Cong govt wants a federal agency for terror attcks but not any special anti terror law.....the argument is when in NDA regime we had POTA ,Parl attack happened and other terror attcks happened................
This defies logic.....suppose you have typhiod and doc prescrible a medicine of 250mg,and you are not cured......so what the doc will do........either he can stop the medicine or he can increase the dose of medicine......answer is anybody guess........
