Pakistan is the creator, nurturer and preserver of terrorism in India and we are talking to them about the same subject. They keep on talking and increasing the levels of terrorist activities. To what use is this helpful?
WHY CANNOT THE MUSLIMS IDENTIFY AND THROW OUT THESE TERRORIST ELEMENTS ON THE STREETS FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO IDENTIFY? Is there a compelling reason why this cannot be done? If yes, what is it? If decades of talks have not done any good, how are more talks expected to produce any good now?
RE:Only One Agenda
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 06:42 AM Permalink
They will never do that. Then it becomes "harram" as defined in Kuran. Muslims should help "innocent muslims". Just look at this scenario: A bomb attack takes place in India killing scores (thats usual). This is done by home grown terrorists, brainwashed by a mullah or maulvi in a madarassa or a mosque which is the perfect storage of their arms and ammunitions. They will even go for training in Porkistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh or POK. But their parents will not know anything as they are too "innocent muslims". This is applicable for Sibal or Kafeel or any other mohammadian. Then how can you expect any "information" or "extradition" from muslims in their counterpart. The childrens are fulfilling their parents ambition - to kill HINDUS / KAFIRS. Parents are proud of their siblings. This is a simple logic happening for the past 6 decades since partition.
Does that mean that Pakistan has nothing to do with terrorists in their country. Do you mean that Pakistan has nothing to do with Syed Salaheddin. They have been nurturing, thru their own state, the terrorist outfits in Pakistan for years now and here we have a PM who says its the terrorists who don't want peace. The fact is that our political mechanism has no spine and all those governing are only interested in money making, even at the cost of national interest, be it any field.
I feel very sorry to have you as PM, Mr.Manmohan Singh.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 05:49 AM Permalink
Ratnesh, you are truly an ignorant person. The PM's call actually tells pakistan that such activities will prevent the normalization of relationship. The Indian govt. has no proof to say that pakistan is behind these attacks ... they haven't even arrested anyone.
If BJP knows that pakistan is behind the attacks, their leadership should publically say so ... just presuming that pakistan and ISI are behind the attacks, as usuual, is plain stupid. The govt. has to have a proof before you make an allegation at that level.
So, cool down. I think the PM is doing a remarkable job ... remember that BJP did nothing when akshardham happened and did pretty much nothing when the attack on parliament happened. Don't expect anything to happen now either ... learn to accept that we are living in a different world these days.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 06:21 AM Permalink
Terrorists planning to kill innocents will not leave any "proof" behind so that they can be caught by IBs. They are not dumbass like you Loan Shark. Do you have any proof of who attacked WTC? Do you have any proof of US landed in moon for the first time ? (controversy theory is the best example) Do you have any proof that RSS and VHP were behind the Guj riots ? Do you have any proof that Shah Jahan built Taj Mahal ?
For most of the things, no proof exists. Every kindergarden child knows who is behind the blasts - HuJI or SIMI or LeT or JeM. The group may be different. But their purpose is same - KILL HINDUS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
If you are so good in collecting facts and proofs, can you proove existence of Jesus Christ or Mohammed or Krishna or resurrection of Jesus Christ....?
After all, porkistanis denied Dawood is in their lands 3 years back. Now they openly accept they are providing shelter to him and will continue to do so.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 06:32 AM Permalink
before call me a dumass, just remember that use of personal attacks exposes your weakness and speaks more about you than it does about me.
yes, there is proof of who attacked WTC ... all of 19 hijackers and their ties to al queda have been proven ... there is no doubt there ... perhaps you don't read the news ... LOL
Yes, there is ample proof of US landing on moon ... there are pictures and they confirm that US landed on moon ... the conspiracy theories are just that - conspiracy theories and made to fool people ... but the wise folks know from the pictures that US spaceship landed on the moon - not just once but 4 times and they brought samples of lunar rock with them as a proof. Now, the uneducated and suspicious folks can discard every lunar rock as something taken from deserts of Utah, but that's not the case with the scientific community. Those rocks have been examined and considered out of this world ... LOL
Yes, Shah Jahan built Taj Mahal ... he didn't build it himself, if that's what you were implying, but it was built in his time ... you are a sceptic ... you look everything with negativity.
May there be fewer and fewer sceptics like you.
If you want to talk further, talk nicely, otherwise, just look yourself in the mirror.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 06:35 AM Permalink
Its not the "proof" you want here. Even if the terrorists confess themselves, you will just comments as "They are hired by Hindu groups". I can wake a sleeping person. But not a person who is acting like that. No wonder why most of the hindus support RSS / VHP or Modi or any one who dares to go against islamic fundamentalism. Take care. Good Luck.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 06:50 AM Permalink
another thing. I am a hindu and I do not support BJP. VHP is fine, but BJP is just another political party with a political agenda and in my opinion, they do not operate in national interest.
and, not supporting BJP, does not make me any less of a Hindu or any less patriotic Indian.
RE:What a foolish and ignorant PM you are..
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 06:47 AM Permalink
see, it's not that difficult to have a polite conversation. was it?
I never said "They are hired by Hindu groups". Did I? why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
I think it is kumbhkarans like you who need to be woken up from the belief that anything bad that ever happens in India has to be done by pakistan and ISI. It may be, and I am not saying that Jaipur blasts were not the work of pakistan or ISI, it is just that the govt. cannot make that allegation without any proof. It's a question of credibility.
RE:who is terrorist?
by 1 on May 18, 2008 05:33 AM Permalink
good one. you forgot to add benazir the latest jihadi ruler from this clans, the mother of kashmir violence and killer responsible for the deaths of 80000 people so far. anyways... MMS is no fool and proved that he is actually controlled by pizza lady who is in turn controlled by pope who is in turn controlled by USA/UK.
RE:who is terrorist?
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 05:50 AM Permalink
don't bring up the massacre that happned 60 years ago ... manmohan singh had nothing to do with it
live in the present ... don't live in the past forever.
RE:RE:who is terrorist?
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 06:25 AM Permalink
Loan Shark - Muslims can dig the history of 16 years (Babri Masjid Demolition) Muslims can dig the history of Godhra riots (5 years back) Muslims can dig the history of 100 years back (Kashmir Issue) And, muslims can dig the history of 1500 years back stating that saluting mother land is Anti-Islamic (AIMPLB declaration) But Hindus should not dig the history of 60 years or recent bomb blasts.
RE:RE:RE:who is terrorist?
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 06:57 AM Permalink
I didn't endorse any muslim digging history, although 5 year old godhra riots would be considered contemporary by me as all the major political leaders who were active then, are active now.
Remember Nawaj Sharif. Remember Vajpayee's bold decision to go to Lahore and swear that Pakistan is an idependent state and should not fear India. Vajpayee managed to remove decades of mistrust.
Guess what happened to Sharif. First, Musharraf, unbeknowst to Sharif carries out infiltration in Kargil starting a mini war with India. Then after few months, Sharif is removed in a coup by Musharraf because Sharif was 'corrupt'. Guess whom does Musharraf call after taking over power--Gen Zinni, chief US central command.
Peace over. Every time there is an effort to discuss peace, something blows up.
Folks, if you still don't get it then you will never get it. The process of pitting Hindus against Muslims continues by the same forces who colonized India. Look at the western press whick keeps instigating Muslims about 'pogrom' in India. And paranoid as Muslims are, fall prey to this propaganda again and again asking for revenge.
US is Pakistan's key ally..now ask yourself what is US doing with Pakistan? Is the proxy war against India by Pakistan or US?
Who doesn't want peace? Have you heard of story of monkey and the cats
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by san man on May 18, 2008 05:20 AM Permalink
Excuse me, but why do you Leftist crooks quickly side with US State Dept Report on Human Rights against India? Why do you Leftists support US-based human rights activists against India? (So-called 'human rights' activists) You Lefties were the first to praise Condi Rice when she condemned Modi! Don't talk, you hypocrite!
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Sameer on May 18, 2008 06:13 AM Permalink
-- What makes you think that I am a leftist? Modi was denied visa to US under pressure of Christian fundamentalist organizations in US who were angry with him for acting against 'soul harvesting' in Gujrat. CAIR came into the picture much later and joined the band wagon. Irony is that America's sworn enemy Ahmedanijad gets visa but duly elected chief minister of Indian state is denied visa and still so many Hindus blindly support Bush.
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 06:35 AM Permalink
Modi was denied visa because of his poor human rights record ... it had nothing to do with any fundamentalist christian group. In fact, if there were any fundamentalist christians, they would welcome the genocide on muslims and so, would consider Modi a friend.
But, Modi's inaction during the riots, was an act considered violation ofg human rights ... and I personally think that US did the right thing in denying him the visa.
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Sameer on May 18, 2008 06:47 AM Permalink
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Human rights record? Give me a break. 'Inaction' is subjective and just an excuse. There are many evangelical organizations who hate Modi for disallowing conversions in Gujrat. US could not care less for riot victoms which incidentally also included hundreds of Hindus. US never denied VISA any Congress leaders who personally led charge against Sikhs. For that matter many Pakistanis who massacred Bangladeshis live in US.
Demonization of a Hindu leader by the western media is nothing but divide and rule. this si again to keep the pot boiling. There are hundreds of tin pot dictators in the world who at this very moment may be having dinner or lunch in a posh DC restaurant. Human rights ..what BS
RE:RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 07:24 AM Permalink
sameer, I searched google. nothing came up to suggest what you were saying ... so, I guess that confirms that you just made it all up.
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 07:12 AM Permalink
sure "inaction" is subjective and that's how modi got off the hook, or he would be tried in an Indian court or by an Inquiry commission ... just like those congress MPs like Tytler and Sajjan kumar were.
Modi is not a Hindu leader. Don't mistake him for a Hindu leader, he is just a polititian and a leader of BJP. He does not represent the Hindus of India and BJP is not a Hindu organisation. So, refusal of visa to Modi, is not an insult to Hinduism in any way whatsoever.
RE:Duh .. what took so long to understand that
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2008 07:14 AM Permalink
can you name a pakistani who is accused of bangladeshi massacre and currently lives in US ... I am not saying that it isn't true, I just want to know more and looks like when you have made that allegation, you must know enough to support it with some names and links, if possible.
This is the kind of response our leaders show when scores of innocent people have been killed. The agenda of these killers is more devious, more scary, and more dangerous than these stupid politicians know or want to admit.
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by r patil on May 18, 2008 04:22 AM Permalink
My reply to John is simple 1)Would you say the same thing after repeated serial blasts (after ever 3 months)in crowded sunday churches.After all communal harmony will be more disturbed if chruches and mosques along with people in it are bombed,not only in India but also in international level.I wonder why the terrorist are not doing it.They are repeatedly targeting one harmless community(which is minority in this world)called hindus. 2)Why should hindus go for peace at all cost,even if it means tempoaray peace because of vote bank politics,after few weeks the same cycle starts again.
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by John dicosta on May 18, 2008 04:28 AM Permalink
Mr. Patil, For me all are human beings irrespective of whether they are hindus or christians or muslims. And you would also agree that all the Indians irrespective of caste creed or religion want peace. I know, you might be tempted to say muslims do not want peace, but believe me, they also have a family at their home. Muslims are not terrorists but unfortunately, the terrorists are muslims. And it is not wise to punish muslims of India. By all means I would advocate the punishment of terrorists
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by r patil on May 18, 2008 04:46 AM Permalink
John by all means they are many local supporters for terroist in India,and now most of the bomb blast are done by Indian muslims. All want peace is your assumption ,which is not true.The more muslims are involved in religion and islam is their passion ,the more they are engaged in terrorism,you know why,because killing idolators(read hindus) is encouraged by quran and hadits and they are promised heaven for that,Which it self is final aim of all muslims.Your innocence is no use here,but simply dangerous.In gita it is said the greatest sin is being ignorant.If you cannot beleive what Iam telling,neither can you beleive what terrorist themself are telling,then only one thing can help you.Instead of accusing all of us who are against Islam ,you can yourself read koran and hadits which are available online or go to faithfreedomdotorg.
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by Faisal Mahboob on May 18, 2008 05:05 AM Permalink
No Mr. Patil, an average Indian muslim hates terrorism. We ourselved want those bastad terrorists to be hanged to death in full public view. You have been misinformed about Quran and Hadith. For patriotism the Quran says that if you are under and oppressor ruler who hits you by hunters on your back, be faithful the country till it does not interfere with your religion. It also says, the religion should not be compelled. As far as the website is concerned, you can find whatever you like to in this world. You can even find God if you search.
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by r patil on May 18, 2008 05:22 AM Permalink
faisal islam is not complusory is a lie,that's why legally those who leave islam are gioven death sentence.Check Dr naik and other muslim website,they have openly admitted it.
Be faithful to the country till it does not interfere with islam,what you are trying to say is,muslims should not be distured of any rules which are not in their holy book.This is the main issue which has ecome a neusense to India and all the European countries.Not only that dear faisal you muslims also fail to see ,its implications,were they are so many different school of thoughts with Even ths sunnis,hence each group considered only themself to be right and interfereance of state law(even the islamic country law)against islam,hence justification for terrorism.This is what is happeninig in Pakistan,afganisthan and bangladesh.
RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by John dicosta on May 18, 2008 05:17 AM Permalink
Mr. Patil, I think Faisal has the right mindset. If we start listing anybody's faults we will quickly realize that the man is not perfect and might hate him. But what we need is trust and confidence and lot of love and affection. This heals the wounds easily. What do each of us want at the end of the day. A comfortable home to live in. If we bring discomfort in our home India, nobody can live in peace.
RE:RE:Are you with Terrorists or India?
by r patil on May 18, 2008 05:32 AM Permalink
Dicosta,peace comes only by realeasing the problem and solving it,not by running away from truth.Not by assuming what you wantor the average people want,but by exactly knowning what terrorist what.SIMI is very clear what they want by their printed material,Simi did challenge its ban in court,but after going through all written documentation of that said organisation court felt the banned was appropriate thing to do.What do terrorist who are actually doing all this attack what?Osama and other terrorrist want is are very clear.If the cats closes its eyes while drinking milk and think nobody can watch it,the cat is wrong.You cannot force your ignorance on others(i.e all want comfortable home to live in).Many others live for religion and not for comfortable home.Lets say if hinduism would had defined moksha in killing non-hindus,what would the person who is living only for the religion do?If you can answer this ,you can understand what Iam trying to say.
Most, maybe 95%, of the terrorist attacks now a days are carried out by christians with hindu names at the urging of christian sonia gandhi.
Many christians and muslims are terrorists because they believe in killing any one, even their own relatives, who do not believe in the god they believe in.
But christians are lot more cunning and secretive. Western-white-christians are racists also.
RE:Muslim Community
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
they are already alienated. They wont join us. Instead, they will backstab us. This is what preached by Mohammed and they are following the same - Traitors of their own country and loyalty towards their brothers in Porkistan and Bangladesh.
RE:RE:Muslim Community
by deepak on May 18, 2008 02:32 AM Permalink
Muslims are not bad..No one is bad.its what they believe in is bad...in other words the problem is Islam, not Muslims.
RE:Muslim Community
by Vasanth Srinivas on May 18, 2008 02:46 AM Permalink
Its not about my happiness. Its the truth. Even during this bomb blasts, you are worried only about the 12 muslims killed and their business affected. What about the rest killed in this attack? Who is responsible for that. Still you will recall the horrors of Gujarat riots. But no one thinks why Gujarat Riots took place. Can you imagine what would have happened if hindus burnt down 50 Huj pilgrims...? The whole country would have torn apart !!!! AIMPLB issues fatwa for Taslima Nasreen / Salman Rushdie. But will not even accept to register the marriages and will never accept Uniform Civil Code. You are alienating yourselves and blame on us. If there is real Allah in what you believe, your judgement day is not too far. Every religion - including Islam (religion of peace !!!!) conveys the same message.
RE:RE:Muslim Community
by deepak on May 18, 2008 02:31 AM Permalink
Unfortunately even assimilation as tried by many European countries did not work. The Muslim community by definition is alienated..thats the dictates of Islam. Radical Islamists are simply enabling what is a religious duty. British cops have been threatened not even to enter Muslim enclaves, India doesnt have a chance. The only way to get rid of Islamic terror is to stop Islamic doctrination in madrassas with a Muslims will eventually totally reject Islam when rational education is imparted.
