The Advantage of Being A Pessimist is, Either You are Proved Right Or Being Pleasantly Surprised!
Instead of criticising Nehru, Advani should question his Mentors, Leaders, Gurus with these following questions:
1. Why did Shyama Prasad Mukherjee wanted Kashmir not an integral part of India but a separate Hindu kingdom aka Nepal?
2. Why did Atal Behari Vajpayee, when he was the External Affairs Minister in 77-79 ordered the Balochi separatist movement dismantled carefully built by Indira Gandhi on the lines of Bangladeshi Movement. Vajpayee dismantled it so much that even after Indira Gandhi came to power in 79 the damage was irreparable and she had to shelve that mission forever!
3. Why did Morarji Desai blurted out to Zia-ul-Haq about information given by a Indian RAW spy in Pakistan which resulted in being the spy was being combed down and liquidated when Zia returned to Pak.
4. What kind of a blunder Advani's Govt committed in not shooting the Hijacked IC-814 tyres when it halted for more than half an hour in Amritsar which resulted in a direct death of a passenger?
Atleast the above 4 are sufficient to show the shallowness of Advani!
Criticising Nehru is like trying to spit on Sun! Nothing happens to the Sun but the spit will eventually fall on your face
RE:IT's LIKE TRYING TO SPIT ON THE SUN! You know the consequence!
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:50 PM Permalink
Who told Nehru was weak?he was 175 cms tall and was healthy till his end in 1964..
he ate well, had no major complications like Diabetes, BP,Heart disease etc..
RE:IT's LIKE TRYING TO SPIT ON THE SUN! You know the consequence!
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
Sp Mukherjee didnt say Nehru was weak.nehru was actually strong physically.
RE:IT's LIKE TRYING TO SPIT ON THE SUN! You know the consequence!
by Kabeer on Mar 26, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
Dear Tathagata,
SP had to be detained and put behind the bars not in Delhi/Calcutta/Bombay but in Kashmir when he started agitating that Kashmir be not integrated into India but be declared a separate Hindu Kingdom!
SP didnt just make a remark! He actually agitated!
RE:IT's LIKE TRYING TO SPIT ON THE SUN! You know the consequence!
by Kabeer on Mar 26, 2008 12:46 AM Permalink
Madrassas dont teach which traitor did what!
Go and check your own Indian Governments archives or ask your mother or father if they are still around (possibly they would have lived in those tumulutous years)
When SP was about to die, he had to be released from Kashmir prison and later he died of natural causes!
It is a well known fact known to everyone that SP had spent his last years in Kashmir!
Bye Bye!
Dont think you seem to be qualified for sensible blogging!
RE:IT's LIKE TRYING TO SPIT ON THE SUN! You know the consequence!
by All Right on Mar 26, 2008 08:42 AM Permalink
Well Kabeer:
Good points from you. A 2-year-in-office Foreign Minister can unleash so much damage that generations of Congress governments thereafter cannot repair it. Great point. Now I know why NDA could not achieve much in its mere 5 year term. How in the God's good world can they undo the damage unleashed by 55 years of Congress rule? It will take at least 100 years of uninterrupted BJP-led government to see any real progress! As to Morarji Desai - he was a Congressi. BJP wasn't even born then. You have shown great shallowness through your 4 points. Any answer to 1947 partition and untold damages on the innocent public???
Really i pity the indians who dont believe in themselves and
Nation as our useless politicians... China such a mean power from the beginnig of Civilizations.. How
can this was ignored by our moron politicians of the like of
Nehru.. Tibet which propagated an indian religion and that to a
subsiadiary of Hindu Religion was left at the mercy of Cruel
Chinese who dont value human life in front of Power.... The situation of Indian subcontinent surely reflects the
unintelligent policies and governance of our so called Revered
Politicians of Independence... One thing I dont understand why the people like Valabh or Subash
or Bhagat were sidelined or killed or got hanged... who in
reality deserved the prime spot in our independence Freedom.... The Politics was,is and will always remain a dirty Game.. But for present.. As a true Indian i Pray for my Tibetan Friends
and hope some thing Good happens and these people Get Freedom....
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:Nehru the great
by Shibashis Pradhan on Mar 25, 2008 11:45 PM Permalink
Nehru was not the reason behind india becoming self sufficient in rice production. Nehru died in 1964, where as Green revolution began in 1967-68 and produced results in 1978. We can say it was more of Indira Gandhi's contribution, but certainly not Nehru's.
Why fingering dead people ? If you have guts talk about present PM. He is no way responsible for Nehru's mistake nor he will be responsible if China grab Arunachal too ! Most clean PM we ever had.
RE:Question
by spindoc on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 PM Permalink
I dont expect anything from the weakest PM,Foriegn Minister,HM and DM we have ever had.. chamchaas..Nobody has won an election godammit..Being clean is one thing ..having balls is another and none of them have it which is what is required if you are leading a country sorrounded by rogue nations..
RE:Question
by Kaushik Tiwari on Mar 25, 2008 11:39 PM Permalink
Spin Doc, you are a biased fellow. Chamchagiri is a great qualification. Chamchagiri help you gain wealth. Chamchagiri gets you into position. Being a chamcha you neen not bother about presige. Being a chamche you need not study history. Being a chamche you need not be a patriotic. So, don't discourage chamchas ever.
Really i pity the indians who dont believe in themselves and
Nation as our useless politicians... China such a mean power from the beginnig of Civilizations.. How
can this was ignored by our moron politicians of the like of
Nehru.. Tibet which propagated an indian religion and that to a
subsiadiary of Hindu Religion was left at the mercy of Cruel
Chinese who dont value human life in front of Power.... The situation of Indian subcontinent surely reflects the
unintelligent policies and governance of our so called Revered
Politicians of Independence... One thing I dont understand why the people like Valabh or Subash
or Bhagat were sidelined or killed or got hanged... who in
reality deserved the prime spot in our independence Freedom.... The Politics was,is and will always remain a dirty Game.. But for present.. As a true Indian i Pray for my Tibetan Friends
and hope some thing Good happens and these people Get Freedom....
RE:This article Proves Nehru A big Idiot.......
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:13 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
Nehru, Indira were not Weak, they were bold, but yes they did made some mistakes, who does'nt. Both of them inspired us to think in english to conqure the matarial world. They made us modern, at the same time be rooted in our culture. Nehru said ; the industry, office are our temple go and worship there. Thats why we have today 200 million strong, english speaking middle class who is driving india's growth faster. Otherwise india would have been just like bangladesh, pak. In 2 decades india & China will be super power, america will go down. So we have to be very carefull in dealing with china now. We have to assert at tibet issue, same time respect thier mighty growing streingth. Best way to defeat china is, to build infrastructure in himalayan kingdome like Nepal, Burma, bihar, UP. Send our business people there to run business. We have to do it on war footing. Before china can set thier eyes, they know this trick. Thats how they are capturing all himalayan kingdome one by one.
RE:We should focus on positive action for liberation of Tibet.
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:We should focus on positive action for liberation of Tibet.
by All Right on Mar 26, 2008 08:45 AM Permalink
Yes. He even invented the Internet! I also heard that Nehru was the first man to walk on Mars. His brilliant inventions are still being deciphered in NASA. His management theories are being guardedly taught in Harvard. Chinese live and die by his phenomenal teachings and principles. Nehru was a great man!
1) Took India towards Socialism ...we are now embracing Capitalism and US which he could have done long before ..who knows we could have been a rich nation by now..Friendship with US would have atleast stopped some of the wars with Pak.. 2) Kashmir Issue was highlighted in UN which led POK and little part to Chinese. 3)Duped by the Chinese..with a comic puch line hindi-chin bhai bhai..
RE:Nehru's follies
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:03 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:Nehru's follies
by spindoc on Mar 25, 2008 11:13 PM Permalink
Definition of a good leader is how you handle your country internally and externally..Externally he was a big zero..highlighted by the follies above..
RE:RE:Nehru,
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:10 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
We should never forget he was our prime minister, elected by our fathers generation. If someone dont have respect for that then i take back my words.. also if nehru has done something which we 50 yrs later find it incorrect, why dont we correct it. He is not going to come back to correct it.
RE:nehru
by Sameer Bhagwat on Mar 25, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
Dear Rajeev, These are Historical Blunders. You have to hit Iron when it is hot, that will creat a shape. You can keep hitting iron cold and will achieve nothing. History can only be useful, if it is examined critically and lessons are drawn from it.
As a nation, we need to come out and examine this Nehruvad. I am not against a person, but stressing a need for critical examination.
Indian past history is filled with courage, knowledge and all other virtues.
Take any field, mathematics, science, the famous invention of 0 and 1 to 10, Literature, History, culture, artwork. Indian were far ahead. It is this 0 to 9 letter that revolutionalise computer sceince and computation,space sceince. Romans-Europeans were buried under Roman letters.
RE:RE:nehru
by Rajeev G on Mar 25, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
you are speaking about nehruvad in 2008.. Do you know what where the compulsions of 50's? Atleast I dont know.. As far as International politics is concerned, Iron is always hot.It doesn't know history.. whoever is powerful rules..
RE:RE:RE:nehru
by Ravikumar on Mar 25, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
Rajeev, U are a fool.Elections at that point were farce as 90% of people were illetrate.
RE:nehru
by Rajeev G on Mar 25, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
So you are the smartest guy right.. Keep on blabbering about nehru, gandhi.. Good luck to you..
RE:nehru
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:04 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:nehru
by Sesh on Mar 25, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
@rajeev g,
true, the decisions are relevant only at the time they are taken, but when facts which unveiled later reveal a different story, then of course, that speaks about the character of the guy nehru...
pious words and aristrocratic mentality with an intent to be rise against the western world, coupled with a self-hyped good feel of the chinese led to a disastrous war...
now the same congress is talking of nuclear deals with the us...!!!
RE:nehru
by JGN on Mar 25, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
Dear Sesh, we are now talking with the benfit of hindslight. Though I am not a fan of Mr.Nehru, a fair assessment is that he had acted in good faith for the benefit of the citizens of our country. We all should remember that our country was under alien occupation and our industrialists were in no position to invest billions of rupees at that time. It was only the Central Govt which could have invested in large steel plants, dams, etc.
Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia who always contested against Nehru had said that "I am not contesting elections to win but to see how many votes are cast against Nehru" and one occassion he had even said that "Nehru is nothing but a zero". There was no political party worth its name in India for a long time after independence and the Marxists (led by the late AKG) with just 25 MPs were the largest oppostion. So the Congress party was able to steam-roll their agenda. The Licence-permit raj was the biggest cause for the drag in developement of our country.
RE:nehru
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:12 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:RE:nehru
by veeru raghavan on Mar 25, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
Nehru has done lots and lots of good for this country.It was he who initiated massive electrification of India and lots of manufacturing units were setup including Steel plants, Neyveli Lignite factory, atomic power, cement manufacturing units.India became sulf-sufficient in rice production only because of him.He believed in peace,non-violence, mutual friendship and none would have expected in 1950s and 60s that China would betray us.He is a true patriot and is one of the greatest Indians.
RE:nehru
by spindoc on Mar 25, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
I cannot think of single PM who had any balls except may be Indira G...In Nehru's case he was clearly duped by the Chinese..and we still continue to lick them instead of being strong and forthright in telling the "little ones" that this is our land and you cant encroach....I cannot believe that we have the weakest PM,HM and FM and for that matter even DM ..We need strong leaders not good for nothing chmachaas..
RE:nehru
by Ravikumar on Mar 25, 2008 10:40 PM Permalink
We wish he will never comeback.Respect is for good people not for old crooks like Nehru who is a murderer.
RE:nehru
by Rajeev G on Mar 25, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
ok... then go and ask your father.. why did he elect nehru.. also tell him that you will teach your next generation not to act on any issue as there was a leader called nehru who stopped you from doing it.
RE:nehru
by Ravikumar on Mar 25, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
Rajeev, U are a fool.Elections at that time were farce because 90% people were illetarate at that time.
