the vedic dharma is all about spirituality AND a way of living...
the "CONVERTS" are cowards... read my post carefully...
there is no myth about rajput bravery... all facts... if you want to lend your opinion about this based solely on your own perception, then it is not a fair talk!!!
accepting others is a way of life and not changing colours... will allah doom you to hell if you worship Vishnu, but yet an honest and peaceful individual????
RE:@tabraiz
by Innocent Fool on Mar 23, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
Yes. Converts are cowards. They have no brain. They have no heart. They have no sense of respect. They have no culture. They have no human feelings. They have no knowledge of past. They have no foresight. They are all left over of human civilization.
Sesh can you give me clarification why Acharya Sanjay Dwivedi embraced Islam even nothing to gain materially but to lose(materially) even after having tons of knowledge about Hinduism
RE:@Sesh
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
tabraiz, who is this ahmed pandit????
i have not heard of him! anyway, he says that the steadfastness of a student to forgo school by 20 minutes to attend his prayer is what induced him towards islam!!!
i do not know his background.. and neither his intentions... all i got from the net was a narration from others... comments from others!!!!!
do not give some lame examples to justify your point.. you talked as if you were going to tell me something intellectually stimulating.. now you too have joined the ranks...
THE VEDAS Vedas are considered the most sacred of all the Hindu scriptures. There are four principal Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda.
Yajurveda The following verses from the Yajurveda echo a similar concept of God:
"na tasya pratima asti "There is no image of Him." [Yajurveda 32:3]5
"shudhama poapvidham" "He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8]6
"Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste" "They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements" (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). "They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti." [Yajurveda 40:9]7
Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
The Yajurveda contains the following prayer: "Lead us to the good path and remove the sin that makes us stray and wander." [Yajurveda 40:16]8
RE:Concept of God according to Hindu Scriptures:
by Mohd Younus on Mar 23, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
Atharvaveda The Atharvaveda praises God in Book 20, hymn 58 and verse 3:
"Dev maha osi" "God is verily great" [Atharvaveda 20:58:3]9
Rigveda
The oldest of all the vedas is Rigveda. It is also the one considered most sacred by the Hindus. The Rigveda states in Book 1, hymn 164 and verse 46: "Sages (learned Priests) call one God by many names." [Rigveda 1:164:46]
The Rigveda gives several different attributes to Almighty God. Many of these are mentioned in Rigveda Book 2 hymn 1.
Among the various attributes of God, one of the beautiful attributes mentioned in the Rigveda Book II hymn 1 verse 3, is Brahma. Brahma means %u2018The Creator%u2019. Translated into Arabic it means Khaaliq. Muslims can have no objection if Almighty God is referred to as Khaaliq or %u2018Creator%u2019 or Brahma. However if it is said that Brahma is Almighty God who has four heads with each head having a crown, Muslims take strong exception to it.
Describing Almighty God in anthropomorphic terms also goes against the following verse of Yajurveda:
"Na tasya Pratima asti" "There is no image of Him." [Yajurveda 32:3]
The quotes about Rama & Sita among others are taken from hate forums where bling islamic fanatics are crudely interpreting the vedic verses...
if they are quoting manusmriti/mahabharata/ramayana or any other... let them give the weblink if it is an online resource... or else tell me the name of the paperback copy and its author...
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
the filthy messages posted here by islamic fanatics is taken from other forums like the pakistanidefenceforum... etc...
seems that there are no independent thinkers.... they are acting like a herd of sheep....
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by tabraiz khan on Mar 23, 2008 06:23 PM Permalink
hurting religious sentiments is not good. Be a good follower of your religion, you will never hurt each other, as no religion preaches hatred.
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
thanks tabraiz khan, i already know that... what is important here is for the muslim citizens of india to understand that....
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by tabraiz khan on Mar 23, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
Sesh if you think that Indian muslim citizens dont understand that then you have not discovered the muslims. Be positive you can find more than what you can imagine for a muslim cannot be a muslim unless he is a patriot.
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
let the climate for discovering the muslim be created, by muslims themselves....
self-glorifying would not do...
this is simply the plain fact.... positiveness of the mind comes in when you have expectations... and past history has taught me well about converts...
RE:RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by tabraiz khan on Mar 23, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
Let me know whom are you against -the muslims or the Islam. The muslims because they subjugated the Hindus in the past or Islam because muslims were followers of Islam. past conversions were to suit the political climate rather then religious but it came as a blessing in disguise for the converted people for it gave them a better life otherwise they would have reverted to their old faith after the fall of muslim rule but instead people are voluntarilty accepting Islam till this moment. Muslims have been targetted by its enemies since its existence right from first jehad till now. The onus of creating the environment lies on you not on us.
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by tabraiz khan on Mar 23, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
Sesh I follow this faith only because i have a rational approach. its a choice between good and bad, what one choses is its own wish but dont try to thrust your will on others. I'm not indulging in self glorification. raise the points which you feel is wrong in Islam, i'm here to answer
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
i think you dont have a hold on the situation...
because you have been converted does not make your glorification valid...
it is not a question of taking stands... rather it is one whereby we understand the essence of life... now dont tell me that it is allah!!!!
now that you ask me to create the climate... answer me... what would happen if every muslim were to leave the archaic principles of islam ???
you have not risen above blind faith... rationalism is the key to it...
only by questioning the faith do you get the real answers...!!!
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by Sesh on Mar 23, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
tabraiz, the point is simple... converts are cowards of life... taking the shelter of the stronger, and in later years, to hype that they are followers of peace is completely wrong...
just as you said, islam is more of a political ideology rather than a spiritual one...
my point is not to start a verse to verse debate on islam... for perceptions differ... the average muslim mentality is seen as that of an agressive fanatic only...
to not acknowledge others beliefs is the fundamental reason why there is so much hatred in islam...
the hindu would go to a church to pray, as he believes that the spirit of worship is the virtue... can we ask that of a muslim??? beliefs are subjective... what is your belief may not be mine, and tolerance comes from understanding...
rational approaches can be found in any religion...!!!!
RE:The messages that have been posted here are misinterpretations.....
by tabraiz khan on Mar 23, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
First of all Hindusim is not a religion but rather than a way of living if you are aware of. You call Indian muslims as cowards when the truth is that Hindus were subjugated beyond comprehension in the past by the muslims. not only that Hindus used to offer their daughters in marriage to muslims in order to appease them. Even the myth of rajput bravery was broken to pieces from time to time by the muslims. Second muslims dont go to church because they have firm belief in their faith, having one color but not changing colors from time to time.
