I agree that the overlord attitude by the rulers in Delhi has contributed to the growth of Maharashtrian sub-nationalism. Had 1956 linguistic organization been handled fairly in Bombay, Maharashtrians would not have developed suspicions about the motive of North Indians whom they associate with the ruling elite in Delhi. Accommodation of the regional aspirations and the respect of cultural/ historical icons of each regional community is essential for the unity and integrity of India -Marathas, Rajputs, Sikhs, Jats. Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Guru Gobind Singh & Suraj Mal are respected icons of these communities. While writing history, one must keep the sensitivity in mind. Similarly, it is fine to argue in theory that any Indian can go anywhere for job. But in reality the demographic changes in the neighbourhood disturb the equilibria and any such unsettling process has to be dealt very carefully by balancing the interests of immigrants with the pre-existing residents of a place.
Dear Colonel Dr Anil Athale (retired). You are somewhere near to the periphery of the problem but has hesitated to be branded as Marathi Chauvenist an hence hesitated to hit the nail on its head. I am a North Indian and has no qualms in saying that the means adopted by Raj Thackrey and MNS may not be justified at the very outset but the opposition en-mass Migration from Bihar and Eastern UP is correct. there are many issues which needs to be addressed. What the consitution stated 60 years back on the basis of restricted franchise may not be true for all times. To shorten the story due to space restriction, we have to make the smaller state of comparable size so that no state has over leaverage in national politics and thus try to influence national policies. National Structure has to become more Fedral with sttates with more autonomy. Migration of skilled labour and non-skilled labour to be regulated so that all states work hard to create employment for their people. It will help to create the all round development through out the country rather than in pockets. It will also control illigal migration from country like Bangla Desh which has become threat to national security. It will also make these politician accountable to the people. We will have to give real democracy to the people rather than having pseudo or apparent democracy. Present set up of governance is threat to national security. Last but the least farmers in maharashtra will not commit suicide if they have
This article is really written in bad taste.Rediff ,I really wonder how can you publish such an article .Are you looking at sensationalaism just like the 24x7 channels??
RE:bihari in maharashtra
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Sir, are u sure raj thkre is doing for maratha favor? there is already a congress to take care of it I believe. Raj is just a kid in their laps! he cannot do anything on hiw own.....the mastermind is congress.....and that to increase their vote banks.....do not sentimental!!
The Maratha Empire was at its height in the 18th century under Shahu and the Peshwa Baji Rao I. Losses at the Third Battle of Panipat in 1761 suspended further expansion of the empire and reduced the power of the Peshwas. In 1761, after severe losses in the Panipat war, the Peshwas lost control of the Kingdom. Many sardars like Shinde, Holkar, Gayakwad, PantPratinidhi, Bhosale of Nagpur, Pandit of Bhor, Patwardhan, and Newalkar became kings in their respective regions. The empire gave way to a loose Confederacy, with political power resting in a 'pentarchy' of five mostly Maratha dynasties: the Peshwas of Pune; the Sindhias (originally "Shindes") of Malwa and Gwalior; the Holkars of Indore; the Bhonsles of Nagpur; and the Gaekwads of Baroda. A rivalry between the Sindhia and Holkar dominated the confederation's affairs into the early 19th century, as did the clashes with the British and the British East India Company in the three Anglo-Maratha wars. In the Third Anglo-Maratha War, the last Peshwa, Baji Rao II, was defeated by the British in 1818. Most of the former Maratha Empire was absorbed by British India, although some of the Maratha states persisted as quasi-independent princely states until India became independent in 1947.
'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802 Raghunathrao died in 1782, leaving behind him, two sons; Bajirao, who in 1817 confronted the British at the Battle of Kirkee, in Pune; and the younger, Chimnaji Appa. Bajirao became the next Peshwa after Madhaorao's death. Nana was still the administrator and the Peshwai remained in stable condition till his death owing to his superb administrative skills. Nana died in 1800 and Pune fell into the hands of the Sindia's ( Shinde) ; the former chiefs of Nana's army. They remained in power for a short while and in 1802, Bajirao reestablished himself in Pune, by signing the treaty of Bassein with the British. This essentially ended Peshwai , establishing British supremacy in the region. The capturing of the Ahmednagar fort in 1803, proved British supremacy in the Deccan. In 1804, General Wellesly proclaimed the Deccan in a state of chaos, established military rule and the Peshwas remained rulers for name's sake.
CAN ANY ONE TELL ME WHEN MARTHI FOUGHT AGAIST BRITISH???
THIS WRITER IS FAKE !!amy co CAN'T WRITE SUCH CONFURE artical
RE:'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 06:54 PM Permalink
The first ango-maratha war from 1775-82 ended in a stalemate with an upper hand for Marathas. In reaction to the treaty of Vasai, the Shindes and Bhosales fought against British. In the third anglo-maratha war Marathas led by Sardar Bapu Gokhale fought against British forces. Finally, in 1857, Nanasaheb Peshve and Tatya Tope fought in Kanpur against a dominant British army. Maratheshahi was a medieval power but it was the biggest hurdle between the British ambition to conquer India and the actual conquest.
RE:'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802
by nagesh on Mar 19, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
and yet Marathis sent largest contingency of armed men under British to suppress rest of India. Marathis made it easy for British to conquer India. Bengalis too(calcutta).
RE:'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802
by Manoj Gharat on Mar 19, 2008 06:59 PM Permalink
The Maratha Empire was at its height in the 18th century under Shahu and the Peshwa Baji Rao I. Losses at the Third Battle of Panipat in 1761 suspended further expansion of the empire and reduced the power of the Peshwas. In 1761, after severe losses in the Panipat war, the Peshwas lost control of the Kingdom. Many sardars like Shinde, Holkar, Gayakwad, PantPratinidhi, Bhosale of Nagpur, Pandit of Bhor, Patwardhan, and Newalkar became kings in their respective regions. The empire gave way to a loose Confederacy, with political power resting in a 'pentarchy' of five mostly Maratha dynasties: the Peshwas of Pune; the Sindhias (originally "Shindes") of Malwa and Gwalior; the Holkars of Indore; the Bhonsles of Nagpur; and the Gaekwads of Baroda. A rivalry between the Sindhia and Holkar dominated the confederation's affairs into the early 19th century, as did the clashes with the British and the British East India Company in the three Anglo-Maratha wars. In the Third Anglo-Maratha War, the last Peshwa, Baji Rao II, was defeated by the British in 1818. Most of the former Maratha Empire was absorbed by British India, although some of the Maratha states persisted as quasi-independent princely states until India became independent in 1947.
RE:'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802
by Subodh on Mar 19, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Marathas have fought British from Shivaji onwards. Even when Peshwai came to an end, the remenents of earstwhile Maratha states fought the British. Rani Laxmibai & Tyata Tope were basically Marathi speaking people. Actually Maratha's did greater service to the nation by fighting Muslim Invaders than fighting the British, but just to keep to keep the records straight I have added this information.
RE:'Second' Bajirao Peshwa - 1795 to 1802
by Manoj Gharat on Mar 19, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
The Maratha Empire was at its height in the 18th century under Shahu and the Peshwa Baji Rao I. Losses at the Third Battle of Panipat in 1761 suspended further expansion of the empire and reduced the power of the Peshwas. In 1761, after severe losses in the Panipat war, the Peshwas lost control of the Kingdom. Many sardars like Shinde, Holkar, Gayakwad, PantPratinidhi, Bhosale of Nagpur, Pandit of Bhor, Patwardhan, and Newalkar became kings in their respective regions. The empire gave way to a loose Confederacy, with political power resting in a 'pentarchy' of five mostly Maratha dynasties: the Peshwas of Pune; the Sindhias (originally "Shindes") of Malwa and Gwalior; the Holkars of Indore; the Bhonsles of Nagpur; and the Gaekwads of Baroda. A rivalry between the Sindhia and Holkar dominated the confederation's affairs into the early 19th century, as did the clashes with the British and the British East India Company in the three Anglo-Maratha wars. In the Third Anglo-Maratha War, the last Peshwa, Baji Rao II, was defeated by the British in 1818. Most of the former Maratha Empire was absorbed by British India, although some of the Maratha states persisted as quasi-independent princely states until India became independent in 1947.
You are criticizing channels of proking proviciallism. I think one needs to do a thorogh check at your article as well. What is the logic in emphasizing - what maratha warriors have done here. Wjat is the need now or what are you trying to convey at this time?What is logic in saying why is a bihari taking up a railway exam in mumbai? Dear Writer needs to understand one thing that not everybody gets a cnhance to join railways by money-means. There are a talented lot sitting overthere in bihar and burning midnight oil. If you do not agree then probably you do not know the realities there. It is only because there is not much of opportunity to earn a decent livingthere due to their own politicians, but that in no way stops them to attend exams in maharashtra? Can you please tell me why are supporting their being beaten up? The problem with you people is that you people are no longer competetive enough.....just see mumbai....most of the higher authorities in private sector are non-mahrashtrian!! You people do not drive taxis.....why?? Why the no of students in IIT mumbai, AIIMS, IMS or top premier colleges from maharashtra are less. First of all be competetive and then judge things. just think before writing such article.....there could be many ways your ideology can be criticized
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
Do you mean that the Railway recruitments happen on merit in Lalu's Raj? You must be kidding!
RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Mr. Analyst what are u doing here? it time for u to grab uer beer cane sir!! PLZZZ do not waste uer precious time in writting scholary stuff!!
RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
U mean to say by beating and copying they become IPS and IAS!! right?? May I have uer attention everybody!! just go throug the above article to enlighten ourselves!!
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Vishy on Mar 19, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
OOOOH i CAN SMELL BIHARI INCOMPETENCE & FRUSTRATION OF HAVING NO HERO HERE. no wonder u guys run helter scelter for living - do something for ur state maaan - DONT CRIB n CRY
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
My frns...I have lived in mumbai for many years...and have much more education than what u might be having.....but that is not the pint.... Can u give one reason why marathi manoos does not drive taxi??Why there jobs are being taken at the highest level....in my organization I never found any marathi at a respectable port...rather I found them doing clerical jobs....u people are getting frustated...anyways we already there in mumbai to take your jobs at every level..... get it if u can in a competeive manner rather than fueling anti-martha issue!!
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by arun naik on Mar 21, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
telling lies is easy. now just tell the truth where is your office. give your office address instead of talking such bullshits why dont you people develop your states if uyou are such capable, competent, educated, well cultured and what not then why big businessmen prefer your states for opening industries in your states ? tell truth now ? can you ? are you aware that some big business houses wants graduates from mumbai university only, why ? becos your phd. bihari can not qualify in ssc of poona board exam.
RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
aaja Kalaghoda par hi hai!! daaru le ke rakhta hoon...thikhai....lal mirch wali sabzi bhi ready karwata hoon!! par dost jaldi aana......
RE:RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Manoj Gharat on Mar 19, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
poora address de de yaar.....abhi aaya........main bagal main hi hoon 10 minute main aata hoon
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Manoj Gharat on Mar 19, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
Bheja Thanda kar mere dost........ Taxi chalayenge toh competitor ho jayenge kya? Blame Politicians of Bihar And UP.......that's correct. Apne aangan ke saamne padosi dukaan chalayega toh taklif hogee mere dost. Moreover the standard of living of these people are in very poor state.....thanks to politicians again......i've seen so many lives in single room.......Now that's their Majboori...Thats b'coz there are hardly any opputunity in their hometown. Who'd like to work out of his hometown for a longer period?No One........But eventually its not helping Mumbai's Infrastructure....sewage system,electricity supply...and other necessary things.....Lemme tell u....its gonna last for another 15 yrs......Lets hope everyone gets Education,Good Job in their hometown..... Jai Hind........Jai Maharashtra.....
RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Shiv Thakur on Mar 19, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
only taking liquor is the speciallity of so called Son of soil, dear look the result of UPSC Mains, and calculate the number of Bihari student has passed and how many hmarathi has paased. you people can copy the style of North Indians like Shahrukh, Amitab, Abhi, and others
RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Manoj Gharat on Mar 19, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
itane UPSC main bosses hokar bhi bichare bhihari bhaiyonko yaha mumbai main rahnee padtaa hai.Shame on all UP & Bihari Top job holders........ apne logonko ki madat karo.........UP Bihar develop karo Jai Hind Jai Maharashtra.
RE:RE:RE:Stop writting SHIT!!
by Samir Singh on Mar 19, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Are bhai saab kisne kahan ki mumbai ko aap logon ne develope kiya hai...... josh mein hhosh mat khoiye....ye boliye ki opportunity mumbai hai....aur haan...ye aapne nahi di hahi.....pehle se mile hui hai...
It is human nature to suppress fellow human beings...Upper caste people kept torturing for many centuries nd when Indian constitution provided them resrevation suddenly everything took u turn...The people who use to polish the shoes of upper castes were now sharing tea with them...This took a long time for everyone to go down the throat... the migratnts from UP,Bihar r facing a similar situation...most of the migrants were poor nd were acceptable to thier Maharastrinas boss...but with the time these migrants started catchig up with their marathi counterparts...here the real race began ...they were now elected as MLAs nd MPs nd started to be a strong contender to Marathis..How can ny boss be comfortable to be at equal footings with thier slaves? Protest was natural...n number of reasons were floated to justify thier strife against these migrants like spoiling the culture,polluting the city,son of the soils theory etc etc ...may be some of these theory were justified but main reason was slave nd boss sharing tea on same table...it wil take human civilisation to get accustomed to these things...until then such regionalism would keep erupting nd making headines
RE:truth behind regionalism
by Ganapathi ps on Mar 19, 2008 06:54 PM Permalink
The solution lies in doing away with linguistic states, creating smaller states for better administration, decentralising all central government establishments like head quarters of all oil companies,several banks, airlines,railways (central and western), financial institutions, RBI etc out of Mumbai and distribute them all over India so that eqaul distribution of employement all over India. Right now most of the employement in organised sector is concentrated in Mumbai which is regarded as the Commercial capital of India. Even from a strategic point of view concentrating all major commercial and financial institutions in Mumbai is quite dangerous. God forbid, if Mumbai is destroyed whole of India's economy is destroyed. Or else declare all major cities of India as Union territories. Down with parochialism. Hard earned freedom of India should not be lost due to in fighting and narrow mindedness,Jai Hind.
