RE:Aurangazeb Paintings
by Neutral on Mar 07, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
This affects the sentiments of minorities. So this is non secular painting Whereas MF Hussain's painting affects the sentiments of Hindus...."After all" Hindus.
Understand that Hussain has not only drawn nude pictures of Hindu Gods but also nude picture of Bharat Matha.. But this is tolerated by our pseudos...Bcos if MF Hussain does its art & he will go unpunished. Cheapo NDTV was listing MF's name for Bharat Ratna...
RE:Why no Fatwa on Laden
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
I am trying to post you a link for "FATWA AGAINST BIN LADEN" but rediff is blocking it.
I found many on Google. search "FATWA AGAINST BIN LADEN"
RE:Why no Fatwa on Laden
by sameer shaan on Mar 07, 2008 04:21 PM Permalink
forget it brain, you cant change a communal mind, if they believe all muslims are terrorists, let them believe.
RE:Why no Fatwa on Laden
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:38 PM Permalink
Fundamentalist..if all muslims were fundamentalist at heart then there would not have been single muslim terrorist. The fundamental means basics and every muslim should know the basic (indept)of there religion so they won't kill innocent human being.
RE:Why no Fatwa on Laden
by Supersecualirist on Mar 07, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
All muslims individually are not terrorists. However, in a mob, all muslims present would follow exactly what the Mullah tells them to do including murdering the kafirs and nobldy would dare to question the Mullah.
I have a question for all you hindus here, why do you hate muslims soo much. Why do you bring up old history to just increase your hatred. I myself a hindu am sick and tired of my own people inciting the muslims to hate us. Infact it seems it is the in thing right now to hate muslims. Ever terrorist is a muslim thats what everyone says but behind the making of every muslim terrorist is a non muslim. So should the blame go to every non muslim living in this world. In the same way not all muslims can be blamed for some misguided muslims. I am seriously contemplating to convert to islam. My people disgust me now with all this hatred. God help me in my decision.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by bhavdeep on Mar 07, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
You are hyping too much. majority of people do not believe this theory of every muslim a terroist. there are so many ppl in politics, cinemas and other sphere of life loved of all religion (including muslims). The only thing is that the kind of voice we hear of fundamentalists in muslims the same amount or more voice people want to hear from the moderate muslims. if that moderate voice over shadow the fundamentalis voice the whatever minority of people (who thinks muslims are prone to terrorsism(since u believe so)) will also vanish. then you are trying to justify being terrorist becuase of others. sick mind .... Own some responsibility of your deeds to yourself also. It is the easiest job in the world (and cheapest trick also) to shed your responsibility of mis deeds and blame on others. Any one can do that... And I am sure this is post not by a hindu but you are disgusing as hindu
RE:muslim the most hated?
by snpost on Mar 07, 2008 04:06 PM Permalink
Why can't a hindu learn about his own past!!! Is this such a bad thing, why can't muslims let hindus learn about our past? Is that not our right? Why can't we stand up for ourself? Have we got this right? Stopping an exhibition by force is an act of ciltural terrorism.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Rohit Singh on Mar 07, 2008 04:08 PM Permalink
If you talk about the rights of Hindus then you will be communal. Be secular ask for the Human Rights of Muslims (Remember Shah Bano)
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Suresh Bhave on Mar 07, 2008 04:43 PM Permalink
Who told you we hate you? I don't. We do not believe in visiting the sins of fathers upon their sons. Are Muslims prepared to remove the hateful references about those who believe in many gods and worship graven images, which Hindus do? Are Muslims going to stop falling prey to wiley congress party that is keeping them apart from the Indian main stream and reject the offerings of job reservation and generous scholaships for study? To show his secular credentials, the PM has included Parsis, Sikhs and Jains in the list of beneficiary minorities. By no stretch of imagination can these communities be said to be deprived of their legitimate share in the fruits of development. No one stopped the Muslims from participating in the national progress except the Congress party. Your looking up to that party as a defender of your faith against the big bad Hindu majority is what makes you think we hate you.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Neutral on Mar 07, 2008 04:11 PM Permalink
We dont hate to Muslims or Christains or any religions
Hate only appeasement of Muslims (and other minorities)
Hate the Congress that equates Action Against Terrorism = Action Against Islamism
Hate the PM who said that Muslims have the first right over the resources. He should have said poorest or poor Indians should have the first right over the resources
Hate the Govt which is appeasing Muslims by not hanging Afzal Guru who has been sentenced to death by Supreme Court
Hate the CM of Tamil Nadu who said that Ramzan fasting is good for physical & mental health where as Hindus fasting for their God is superstitious
Hate the Govt which considered MF Hussian nude pictures of Hindu God as "Creativity" where as it took no action on the MLAs who tried to kill Taslima Nasreen
Hate the govt which bans Da Vinci Code but not Jodha Akbar (and recently closed this Aurangazeb's pictures of how he massacred Sikhs who refused to convert to islam and how he demolished temples across India---real history)
Hate the Govt that acted against sentiments of crores (majority) of Hindus by questioning Lord Rama and going ahead in destroying Rama Sehtu
Hate the double standrads of pseudo secularists
Finally hate ONLY those MUSLIMS involved in Terrorist acts and LOVE other INNOCENT MUSLIMS.
RE:RE:RE:muslim the most hated?
by imran Ahmad on Mar 07, 2008 04:33 PM Permalink
Last point is very valid. The population of Muslims in India is 12 % which is around more than 12,0000000(12 crore). What percent do you think are involved in terrorist activity. Even is it is one percent it is a deadly number.which is not the case. Hence barring a few all MUSLIMS in India are INDIANs and dont deserve such a prejudice. They have the same family concers and daily struggle to earn respectedly. Dont divide the country and hampers its growth. Lets be Indians ans accept all.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:12 PM Permalink
Fatwa is against the act of terrorism. Bin Laden and all the terrorist organisation comes under it. Killing innocent and suicide is itself haram in ISlam
RE:RE:muslim the most hated?
by Raghu on Mar 07, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
Because in Hinduism, it is no where written that a non-Hindu is a "kafir" and should be converted to Hinduism or killed. It is written in Islam.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Imran on Mar 07, 2008 04:28 PM Permalink
Nastik is Kafir in Hindi. Gita is based on the fight for right even if it is against your brother. That does not make it a book teaching voilence.Islam gives the same right to fight agaist Humanity. If you think that is not fair, there is not point making sense to people like you. Islam will not have been the most followed relligion in the world if it was against humanity. You will only see hatred if that is what you want, and you will only get love if that is what you are looking for. Dont comment on something that you have not studied from a neutral perspective.
RE:RE:muslim the most hated?
by Raghu on Mar 07, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
But in Hinduism there is something called Karma. No human being is superior because he is a Hindu. It is only because of his Karma. But your religion states that any person who follows another religion is a low class, low grade person. The manual itself is wrong my friend. Then how do you expect the people to be correct.
RE:RE:RE:muslim the most hated?
by imran Ahmad on Mar 07, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
Raghu as I said you get what you want to see. Dont go by your hatred instincts, study and understnad it in deep you will see the best of practices from all the great religions are a part of this religion. My friend you are a Hindu cos your family is one, this is the cycle we follow. We dont study our own religion how can we be so arrogant in putting our views against another;s You think something that is based on a wrong manual can become world reckoning with just five people and there will be no stopping to it? Read it from a neutral or a muslim author and you will fall in love with it.With conflict comes faith! May Good bless your family and you.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by imran Ahmad on Mar 07, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
Being a person from a relgion does not make him a follower. Spain is a christian counrty and only 5-10%people follow mainstream christanity. Google it to confirm
RE:muslim the most hated?
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
it is not written that the Non muslims should be forcefully converted to Islam.
Yes it is written to Kill NON MUSLIMS " but again at the time of war, when Non muslims are oppressors and won't allow you to follow your religion. A condition is set.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Raghu on Mar 07, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
But in Hinduism there is something called Karma. No human being is superior because he is a Hindu. It is only because of his Karma. But your religion states that any person who follows another religion is a low class, low grade person. The manual itself is wrong my friend. Then how do you expect the people to be correct.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by vox populi on Mar 07, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
this is muslim lingo--you are a fake hindu--also pls convert before its too late and you miss salvation
RE:muslim the most hated?
by sonaji varikela on Mar 07, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
Friend! it will be futile to convert to Islam because they already breed more children it will be dificult to serve you food and clothing. Have better chance for next life
RE:muslim the most hated?
by on Mar 07, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
in fact you must ask why hindus progate hate and violence in a secular country like India.
RE:muslim the most hated?
by Supersecualirist on Mar 07, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
What about the latest history of Muslim Pakistan and Bangladesh? What is the status of the minorities there? You mean to say that the Governments there are not supporting the terrorists' acts against minorities?
RE:muslim the most hated?
by sanjeev dhiman on Mar 07, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
as if advani,modi and bal thakrey do not use religion and regionalism for the sake of their own votes. as if vouching for hindutva and maratha and gujarati regionalism is not related to vote bank politics.... as if detruction of babri masjid, riots, and advani's rathyatra was not related with vote bank politics and hindu vote bank...
RE:when MF Hussain paints nude godess.
by snpost on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
Where is India going? Are we the hindus becoming the new minority in our own country. We soon will have no right, nad no voice.
RE:when MF Hussain paints nude godess.
by kadaveru on Mar 07, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
Scared to think of the situation 10 years from now, with the amount of freedom given to Fundamentalist our India will dfinetly go LIKE ANY OTHER SELECTED FUNDAMENTALIST DOMINATED COUNTRY. I hope some Political party rises above all this and control. If not God alone save India.
RE:Indian Muslims
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
First, god doesn't belong to any perticular land. he is universal so everybody has the right to follow him irrespective of caste and region.
Second, Most of the Hindus converted to Islam not forcefully as your history says. It were your ancestors who din't allowed lowercaste people to follow there religions and were termed OCCUT. Islam gave them the status of human beings and this is the region why there are so many converted muslims in India.
RE:RE:Indian Muslims
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:03 PM Permalink
this is the reason why so many lower caste Hindus got converted to Islam to get the status of Human being.
RE:RE:RE:Indian Muslims
by vox populi on Mar 07, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
inducement is different for coercion--dont confuse issues--on the pain of death if someone is converted what to do?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Indian Muslims
by The Brain on Mar 07, 2008 04:23 PM Permalink
pain of death..... from where did you got this history. What is the autentication of this history. Emperor Akbar allowed all the followers to follow there religion. At the time of Akbar Era , 23 percent of the Mughal Army consist of Hindus, and the time of Aurangzeb era, it was increased to 34 percent.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Indian Muslims
by on Mar 07, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
these uneducated fools would never know this. all they know is blame muslims for their sorry state of minds
RE:RE:Indian Muslims
by Suresh Bhave on Mar 07, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Surely there were many things wrong with hinduism when these became out of sync with times. But there is no denying that people were converted by force. There are many stories of sultans carrying out masaccres of non-believers on their birthdays and that is enough to scare anyone out of his religions. Cchatrapati Shivaji's general Netaji Palkar was converted by force, but his enlightened king accepted him back into his original faith. But one exception does not prove the general observation wrong. The people who were converted were not low caste Hindus. They were Buddhists who had given up their fighting tradition, that is why there are pockets of Muslim majority in India and larger pockets in western parts of ancient India, such as Afghanistan are Muslim today. The fact that the ancestoprs of the people there were Buddhists is brought out by reicts such as the not destroyed Buddha statues at Bamiyan. Even in Indonesia, the island of Bali which was Hindu remained Hindu while the rest of the islands that were Buddhist dominated quickly converted to Islam. As for the caste system, whatever its drawbacks, St Xavier, who was another great converter, has noted that Hindus refused to convert because of threir great respect for Brahmins who were the spiritual leaders of the society. Of course, the Brahmins then were of a different character. But, the fact is that not many Hindus converted. In Balkan countries Muslims managed to convert half the population.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by anj30 on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
certain things are beyond science, which you and i cannot never understand or imagine , how far can science tell us beyond our space ? can you guess ? Never there are lot of things undefinable by human as we can only give shape and names to our limited knowledge of god.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by You yourself on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
Science is weak and narrow-minded. It does not acknowledge things which it can't observe or experience.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by You yourself on Mar 07, 2008 04:06 PM Permalink
Science is limited in its wisdom. It does not learn from Upanishads.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by Muhammed ArslanMir on Mar 07, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
ALLAh is not material, so the states and conditions of matter do not apply to ALLAh for He is beyond Matter and Time and Space.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by Ashok Gupta on Mar 07, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
thats all very well but what about others. Have you all decided to be in the medeveal period or change with the times. If you dont wish to change then also dont use the modern amenities and especially weapons. If you wish to change then keep up with the times and condemn violence and live peacefully with all. Did anybody condemn the rape of the poor Muslim woman by her father in law,where the clerics ruled that she must then on live with him and not with her husband.
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by Neutral on Mar 07, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
Better do not post against any religion or critizize their belief. All we want to tell is double standardness of the pseudo secular govt. 1) Ban Da Vinci Code 2) Allow Jodha Akbar 3) Allow and award MF Hussain 4) Ban the Aurangazeb painting 5) Concede to the threating of Tasleema Nazrin by Muslim Fundamentalist. 6) Question the existance of Rama
RE:Golden fact-Clarification reqd.
by Supersecualirist on Mar 07, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
Why should they when their Mullahs have ensured that Hussain got Padma Bhushan for his artistic talent?
For ages, it is seen how the educated and the youth of this country (who changes their name here like I do) indulges in religious mongering. They like Modi to be the PM, but they dont like Raj Thakarey though he is a Hindu activist because he asked these rascals to get out of Mumbai, they also indulge in all sorts of hatred that they can do with their two hands and ten fingers on the key board.
But none of you guys(before you castigate your finger,let me admit that this includes me) can avoid religion. After all what is a Hindu, Christian and Muslim? Nothing but faith. You are not driven by your faith, you are driven by money, opportunities etc. I am sure if you guys are offered a job in any damn country with salary in many figures, you will convert to any damn religion. Beg to differ??? You just cant
RE:Religion, Religion and Religion
by You yourself on Mar 07, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
You are a cheap fellow, and I hope there are not many others like you.
RE:RE:Religion, Religion and Religion
by Muhammad on Mar 07, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
@ FB
i've been using my own name so far.....:) u do make sense, but as long as we have politicians who play the politics of hate/dive nd rule......this will be the story of our country and this is what will act as a barrier for progress.....we will reach the level of other countries but it will happen not because we strived for it, but as a natural progression
RE:wake up Hindus against these pseudo secular parties, in a country where mf hussein's paintings r secular and taslima's book is unsecular
by Afzal Khan on Mar 07, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
both MF hussain's painting and Taslima's book are unsecular.
RE:RE:wake up Hindus against these pseudo secular parties, in a country where mf hussein's paintings r secular and taslima's book is unsecular
by Neutral on Mar 07, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
Agreed.... But what action this govt has taken against MF Hussain.
I do not understand why "secularists" cry foul and take law in their hands when truth is exposed. It is in the name of communal harmony! They should know that all these invaders(-they were muslims by rreligion during the 18th century-)were Turks or Persians and they never had native interest in their mind. Our people embrace and glorify these foreign invaders just because they belong to a particular religion!
