There is 100% chance that profetism is fraud. I dont belive that hindu scriptures come from GOD. Hinduism is more like a human expression of GOD. That is why there is no fanatism in Hinduism. Our (your and my) ancesstors wondered what is GOD and through discussions and logical conclusions, they put down their ideas.
They personafied forces and named them. Ganesh, shiva are the characters for Hindu seekers in Kidergarten. Once they advance to adavita philosofy and many advanced philosophies, a person doesnt need statues and idols.
It is like whiteboard to understand numbers and additions . Once you understand, you dont need white board to add 2 numbers. But you can still take a piece of chalk from your cildhood and keep it . Another example is that one caanot spit on the picture of ones loved one thinking that phot is just a piece of paper.
Hinduism is like universilty. You have stories of Ganesh to avaita philosophy.
RE:Wahaj is brainwashed
by chetan on Jun 18, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
Wow new discovery!!!! Islam dose not make money from its devotees.They just impose taxes and creat slaves to make money by selling them. I can see an upcoming terrorist.Islam is a religion of terrorism,it is a poletical idiology structured by a tyrant.
RE:Wahaj is brainwashed
by Rajendra Rao on Jun 18, 2008 03:18 AM Permalink
Hey Buddy- slave of islam- let us face it- As a Hindu, I do not need idols to believe. Not all need idols. It you mooslems who are AFRAID of idols.That is why you killed people because Denmark published a cartoon of the father of islam. How shallow is your philosophy? Why don't you mooslems go back to Porkistan? There is an idol of your prophet in the supreme court building in Washington DC. Next time I visit, I am going to take a leak on your founder.
RE:Wahaj is brainwashed
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 01:58 AM Permalink
Hey stop there. YOu need a formless ouside creator to make people kill, make people blow up themselves, make people oppress other religions, make people opress women.
Is GOD doubtful that he is not GOD. Why does he need apostacy laws? It is a clear indication that it is fraud. A great fraud that pakis and many indians became slaves of.
- only bjp ruled states are capturing terrorists and dangerous criminals
- shockingly, commie-congie ruled states have been releasing hundreds of known foreign-islam!c terrorists and dangerous-criminals, back into our streets, societies, near our homes...
USA is the only capable country who can get ride of draconian Islam from this world. There were not a single attack on America after they annexed Afganistan and Iraq. This shows that they were the two countries who were cultivating Al quida. These rakshas Allah worshipers were beheading the innocent people on television. It is sad that even some educated people also following such a draconian religion.
Being second largest population in the world, Muslims could not contribute anything to the world development through science. Muslim countries do not have good doctors yet. The rich Gulf nations do not contribute during calamities. Their only contribution is exporting terrorists in the name of their religion. How sad.
The Ayodhy mosque was in reality brought down by a big muslim mob to defame Sangh parivar. Because they know that sangh pariwar is growing and a threat to muslim dream of Islamic India.Gujarat riot was actually done by Huji men. They shamelessly killed thousands of their own people to bring down Modi govt but unsuccessful. Best backery case, rape case etc. were the handiwork of these gangs to show to the world that they are being tortured in India.
RE:Communal disturbences by the Muslim terrorists.
by Vijay B on Jun 18, 2008 02:14 AM Permalink
I agree that bringing down the mosque by a big muslim mob is bs, but the Gujarat riots were carefully planned and executed by the Congress. It is no secret at all. BJP has had to bear the ignominy of this mass murder by Congis.
If I feel I found my DAD who we had lost somehow 20 years back when we were children, I will press my brother to join me and go asap to meet him.
If he argues we do not need dad, as Mr. abc has been more helpful than our DAD, then sure I will be unhappy with my brother. But that is my limit, I shall try persuade that dad is DAD, he is our father, no Mr abc can be his replacement. I will also do little coercion, all in spirit of brotherhood.
Most often (99% times) my brother does not say what I know of is our real DAD. He says, I got a nice picture on the wall and treat it as my DAD. So no need of actual DAD. This picture is equally good.
I try say, no self chosen image of DAD got anything to do with actual DAD, please let us go meet him..He too is keen that we meet him and love him as DAD
Brother says my chosen picture is enough for me -- 99% times
Obsessed with Group Identity mentality, brother had to invent something that justifies treating animals as DAD. So he invented DAD is in everything....nice theory to support crap idea of worshipping animals !!
I wish he had open mind and not be such traditionalist so as to not listen to anything other than one from His group.
These are symptoms of desease in his heart
Only reason for his rejection of my proposal is "sense of Group Identity".
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Again brother says you are repeating without understanding. He says you have no inclination to really know who DAD isand just want toparrot what is written in a book. He says the book is more important to you than DAD. Only when you can open your mind to everything in the universe you can SEE DAD. Otherwise due to your narrow definition and persistent repetitiveness you have a danger of turning fanatical and bring forth a lot ofconflict in the world in the name of DAD of your IDEA. Also brother says he has to leave now and hopes you have enough wisdom to use your own intelligence to free yourself from your narrow dogmas.
RE:RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by vivek raj on Jun 18, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
Does dad distinguish between his children the ones who believe in him and ones who dont? the answer is no since fatherly/ motherly love is unconditional no matter what the child has done. It is ever forgiving unconditional love and is saddened when their children fight among themselves. So doesnt matter which face, idol, book,prophet or symbol you worship try to see the other person as a human being the son/ daughter of the same god( called in different names by diff. groups) as the one you worship. Try to respect his\ her belief if not possible at least avoid insulting it. Cheers... Enjoy Life on Earth, Heaven Shall be a Bonus. TO ERR IS HUMAN TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE (quoted by someone else)
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
As I said I have no more time here. But if you use your own mind it will be clear that creation and creator are not different. The creation is a manifestation of creator and are not separate. But it requires a great deal of intelligence to feel that and for that you have to leave ALL BELIEF aside and stick to just your OBSERVATION. Anyhow I doubt you will understand that. GoodBye. And hopefully you will get some insight into the nature of universe and GOD.
Why you are westing your time to explain someone who feels thats DAD cant be shown and DAD can't be in any shape. I wonder does Wahaj has any DAD? if yes, than why says he can't be exist, he can't be in any form even Wahaj does not know wether DAD is he or she. Do you Wahaj?
when brother was too young he fell pray to polytheists who made money from his belief.
They All wanted money from him, so they created God after God in all possible weird forms.
When his intellectual level grew, these hawks created story of GOD is in everything so that their shops keep running with his patronage.
Brother took that Candy and kept on patronising them. They made money. He foolishly remained engrossed with him. Never realizing own desease, and motivations of those who misled him.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by Guest on Jun 18, 2008 02:43 AM Permalink
The trouble is .....it is the Question of Truth where truth is different for different people. You believe you have found DAD somewhere...every where and that is your truth...
if I say my DAD is in the picture then that is my truth....
HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR TRUTH is correct or the only truth... give me some proof Like ask your DAD to smite me by lightening and if he does I believe you are correct if not then ...
Let me believe my truth and you yours why are u so hell bent on enforcing your truth.... and I believe that is where you and your type are all wrong...
Both christans and muslims are hell bent on enforcing their truth (WITHOUT PROOF) ... causing all the chaos in the world
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by Guest on Jun 18, 2008 02:43 AM Permalink
The trouble is .....it is the Question of Truth where truth is different for different people. You believe you have found DAD somewhere...every where and that is your truth...
if I say my DAD is in the picture then that is my truth....
HOW DO YOU KNOW YOUR TRUTH is correct or the only truth... give me some proof Like ask your DAD to smite me by lightening and if he does I believe you are correct if not then ...
Let me believe my truth and you yours why are u so hell bent on enforcing your truth.... and I believe that is where you and your type are all wrong...
Both christans and muslims are hell bent on enforcing their truth (WITHOUT PROOF) ... causing all the chaos in the world
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 17, 2008 11:37 PM Permalink
WELL Dude!!! What if he says MY DAD exists everywhere in everything and everybody. And starts to treat everybody as a DAD then whats your problem. He knows that the DAD is everywhere. And then you say no DAD doesnt exist everywhere etc. etc.and then start to coerce him.... do you get it?
I shall ask him to objectively assess all known facts...not make it an identity issue.
I shall be dismayed if I find every morning he faces a picture of Monkey or elephant and accords it respect of DAD, then as he faces me, says my DAD is everywhere so I am not bothered what you say.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 17, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
I dont understand. Why should it bother you. He is more comfortable with the picture of whatever it is fully knowing that DAD is everywhere. Why shouldnt a monkey be a GODs representation. Isnt that a closed mind set?
When I find "Group Identity" matters more to him than seeking to search DAD with open mind, I build a very poor impression of him.
Because he got no sane explanation for this behavior, I find he is irritated at my suggestion to find/assess DAD. He says I should not try to share my opinion of our DAD with him. This matter is closed for me. I am okay with Monkey form of DAD, Elephant fom of God and Snake form of DAD though I am a human being.
This behavior of brother is heart breaking. There can be nothing worse than a human treating "Identity" above DAD.
Brother shut door of discussion. He said he is not going to listen to any thing coming from foreigner that challenges Traditional position of "HIS OWN GROUP".
Then he started insinuating the foreigner with no effort to understand him.
He finally ended up saying "You are my DAD" to every animal. But never cared to ever seriously listen to info from foreigner.
For him protecting GROUP identity was more important than knowing actual DAD.
My case was different, DAD mattered moe than Group Identity. so I was open to get his address from foreigner. I found, assessed, and found it genuine. I was convinced. I did not stick to my Group case. DAD mattered more to me.
My brother was left behind dancing with Group...without ever meeting DAD who gave him birth !!
Brother believes in tradition. He does not even know source of tradition. He sticks to tradition ONLY because he identifies with it, not because he is convinced by it.
For him "Group Identity" matters more than DAD. So fact that address of DAD was told by some foreigner iks him. He says he will rather stick to tradition of own group than true address of DAD because he pefers group over foreigner.
His arguments are based on human weaknesses, not logic and objectivity. He is not seeking to find DAD. He Just made it an Identity conflict.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
Well brother says most humans are worse than animals. He says if you understand that DAD is everywhere and everything it doesnt matter where DAD is seen in humans/animals/fish/nature. Its all a manifestation of DAD. He asks you to leave your narrow definition of DAD aside and SEE him everywhere and everything.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
Brother says you have a closed mindset and says no tradition is involved in this. He says you are only blindly believing everything and have closed your mind to his questions. He says you have no idea of DAD and are just parroting what is told by somebody or ispresent in some book. Brother asks you to use your own brain to find TRUTH rather than believing anything or anybody.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 17, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Where does Group identity come into picture here. So here he actually questions you as to whether you really know DAD at all or just THINK you know. Why not have an open mind and listen to him. So the actual question is 'Do you really KNOW DAD?'or just because it is written in some book you start to think DAD should be like so and so?
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
LOL!!! But brother is just questioning you as to whether you really know DAD or just believe it just because it is written in some book. He says you are just believing blindly without really understanding DAD. He is not saying Monkey is DAD. He is saying DAD is everywhere. DO you SEE the difference. Brother is not evesive but wants you to use your intelligence rather than 'believing'anything you read.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by drax on Jun 18, 2008 12:25 AM Permalink
Again brother says your mind is totally closed and cant see what brother is pointing to. He says you are just repeating the same thing without any understanding of DAD. He says dont believe anything or anybody and use your intelligence. He says you have no idea of DAD so DAD doesnt matter much for you. He asks you to see all thgis with an OPEN mind and not with what is already fed to your brain as THE TRUTH.
RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by Kemal on Jun 18, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
Wahaj Faridy, Did you ever get to know how that DAD looks like? or do you just want to blabber some nonsense that you read from a book written by an arabian nincompoop?
RE:RE:Why Preaching faith is fine..
by Wahaj Faridy on Jun 18, 2008 12:47 AM Permalink
another animal shaped DAD lover who is obsessed with GROUP identity who thinks Nobel souls were only found in his (Untouchability infested) Land and nowhere else !!
We come here to shown our presence. That's what psuedo media and politicians say HAS LITTLE OR NO RESONANCE WITH MAINSTREAM, MIDDLE CLASS AVERAGE INDIANS.
We expect nothing from discussion with jehadis whose brain is dead. excep proving our presence.
RESPECT OTHER RELIGION, RESPECT LAW OF THE LAND. STOP TERRORISM.
ELSE< AS INFIDELS UNITE, A HORRIBLE DAY IS WAITING FOR JEHADIS, TERRORISTS AND THOE WHO SUPPORT THEM.
RE:Nothing comes out from discussion in Rediff board with jehadis whose mind is set at 7th century barren land
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Jun 17, 2008 11:16 PM Permalink
