RE:Terrorism is the worst enemy of humanity
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
I agree with you.Those who killed more humans should be the biggest terrorist
RE:Terrorism is the worst enemy of humanity
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 10:08 AM Permalink
You are correct, If we see the history, Islam has killed more innocent people than anybody.
RE:Terrorism is the worst enemy of humanity
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
Organized religion is organized madness. Things will go on as usual. All these talk is time waste. The basic difference between Islam and other religions is that the 'State' does not legalize fundamentalism. For all other religions the State mandates, One-Law, Uniform Civil Code & Gender Equality. Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus have the same value system in the 21st century; All of them have modernized. They all believe in One-Law, Gender Equality, Uniform Civil Code, Freedom, Democracy and "True" secularism. What matters in life is the intensity of our work and inner fulfillment. Neither archaic religion, nor pseudo modernity can save humanity. People who will continue to succeed, are one's who will cultivate talent, knowledge, action in themselves and in others and seek equality in laws, principles and values. Rest is all waste of time and energy. Every developed country in the world is secular and excel in life, work, sports, performance and productivity.
all u guys who talk of christainity doing things for others are soooooo mistaken. i know of any number of orphanages or homes for poor children where the only criteria for admission is to be or become a follower. i also know that my maid in balasore who was offered 5000/- about 10 years back to convert; we paid her that amount not to convert!!! all those who talk of conversion having taken place without bribe or other allurements shoulg go and visit any small town in orissa, say balasore (of NTR fame). the outskirts are all converts owning huge land tracts upto 30-40 acres given to their forefathers when they converted. these were alloted to neo converts then by the british govt. even today when such land is sold to others by the descendants, 10% of the proceeds are deposited to the church. this is no figment of imagination as it is my own hometown, so you cynics out there do not dispute what i say i can even host you there when anyone wants to seriously see for himself. yes i agree that demonising any other religion is wrong but what also needs to be understood by all you city breds is that the only religions that do not propogate expansion and conversion with or without use of force are the ones that find their origin in india. so be proud of being a hindu. remember that india lives in its small towns and villages which unfortunately the educated english speaking hindus visualies from their limited vision cityview dominated prism while all other religions have realised
RE:RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:56 AM Permalink
Does God want any forceful followers? If someone does not undersatnd a religion with it's spirit and just become beliver for some money, will God be happy?
RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 10:11 AM Permalink
Islam is the sin of the world. They cannot tolerate supremacy of any other religion. That is the trouble point.
RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by abhishek bajpai on Jun 15, 2008 10:22 AM Permalink
dat is d tradegy of islam, only a few of its followers understand it n those who do have no voice at all. c al kafrin surah -talks of respecting all religions but what abt all temples dsetroyed in india. does islam not owe an apology to all hindus
RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by mar gaya on Jun 15, 2008 09:53 AM Permalink
Mr. Bajpai,
Your last name suggests that you are from UP. Can you explain why a fellow Hindu Raj Thackrey hates your people so much that he does not want you people to enter in Maharashtra?
RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by hinduhitler on Jun 15, 2008 10:17 AM Permalink
If he doesn't object then tax payers are going to suffer. There is already water shortage in the city. who will provide migrants shelter and water, they will start squatting in the streets
RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by khaan on Jun 15, 2008 10:11 AM Permalink
stupid,total irrelevent, u frustu kadi kanhi ke,raj ki chatne ka bahut shauk hai tere ko
RE:RE:only hindus do not forcibly convert
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 10:14 AM Permalink
But why you want to enter Maharastra?, When you have great leaders from UP like Mayavati, Mulayam, Indiragandhi, Sonia gandhi etc.
It will be the hindu-on-hindu violence which will destroy India and not Hindu-Muslim violence. People like Raj Thakrey who kill fellow Hindus (albeit of different states) will lead to disintegration of India.
RE:Hindu-Hindu Violence will destroy India.
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
and those of European renaissance thinkers like Voltaire, Shaw. Every developed country in the world is "truly secular" and has one law, uniform code & gender equality, keeping focus on performance & productivity & excel in life, work & sports.
RE:Hindu-Hindu Violence will destroy India.
by Sam on Jun 15, 2008 09:53 AM Permalink
Have you ever lived in a developing nation? What about your very next door neighbor Soudis? First know what you are talking before shooting in your own legs!
RE:Hindu-Hindu Violence will destroy India.
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 10:05 AM Permalink
Agreed, all Islamic countries are racist, fascist and fundamentalist. Those who have free oil and US support survive. Rest are into terrorism & blackmail.
RE:Hindu-Hindu Violence will destroy India.
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
All religions are partial derivatives of Hinduism. But the Western nations overcame this handicap by having strong influence of Greek civilization which was secular and scientific. Hindu have overcomplicated it by not seriously focusing on the secular wisdom and functionality, but too much on rituals and forms; the clear secular and scientific definition needs to be taught, and they need to be more action-oriented and create convergence of East-West concepts. Hindus should learn to be seriously clear, focussed and understand their concepts. Undistorted Hinduism is real secularism. The whole civilized world is Hindu. Secularism & Democracy are the foundations of Hinduism. Religion is One and is about Human Skills & Values thus developing our Body and Mind, Emotions and Intellect, Creativity and Consciousness. Caste is One & is a life concept distorted by confused people. It means that to live life intelligently we need to effectively balance the 4-forces within - Thinker, Protector, Economist, Worker - and also while governing society. This is all based on natural human intelligence. The roots of the ancient Indian philosophy are secular, logical and universal. The idols are objectives in life: Shiva (freedom), Durga (Strength), Saraswati (Knowledge), Lakshmi (Wealth), Ganesh (Wisdom). Life is God. These Goddesses symbolize the goals of human life. All secular societies practice this. This is same as the US Constitution, the teachings of Confucius, Buddha, Lao-Tzu and those of
Whenever some steps are taken for checking terrorist movements, the self styled " secularists " and " intellectuals " [what intellect they possess is not known to anyone] with fancy sounding letter head organizations make a hue and cry about " hidden agenda " of the " Sangh Parivar ". After the Jaipur blasts, the State Government started to verify the antecedents of Bangladeshi immigrants staying in Rajasthan illegally. But these sickening fellows have again created a ruckus. How do you eliminate terrorists with such people on your side?
RE:Terrorism in India
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
The problem with steps, they are derived with some prejudice.Some youths were arrested to vindicate Govt stand and since they were not from poor family, released.
And till the time, no solid evidence has come about blasts from Govt agencies. Even before that they identified the culprits!
RE:MOHAMMED IS A SATANIC PROPHET!!!
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
Repeat a lie 1000 times and that will become truth.It is a Fascist behaviour.I do not know where you get these infos?
FYI, religion is not compelling one. Quraan never said to compel someone to convert to Islam. God or ALLah is not desperately looking for anyone's prayer.If taht is the case, God can himself create everyone with one religion.
As a religious duty, Muslims should respect idolators and polyetheiests and all other beliefs.
In fact,in an incident, Muhammad,PBUH, gave visiting Christians the facility to prayer in it's Masjid.
I believe you have right to criticise but I wish you study and criticise rather than simply making some comments.
I reiterate Quraan never said any compulsion in religion
RE:RE:MOHAMMED IS A SATANIC PROPHET!!!
by abhishek bajpai on Jun 15, 2008 10:12 AM Permalink
yes i agree quran never said convert but as a muslim do you follow only that or d hadith and other fatwas also. conversion by force is a documented history worldwide, so that cannot be disputed. the al kafrin surah talks of respecting all religions but there are any number of temples in india which were destroyed to build mosques. do not believe what i say go and see for urself, i did before i wrote this. the kashi mosque has stone carvings of ramayan on its walls, the nandi faces the rear of the mosque, even today once a year hindus pray and worship the ramayan sculptures mentioned above. my friend, muslims who are modern in their outlook and accept other religions are few and they have no voice, that is the tradegy of isalm. but the religion by itself is not very fair. anyone can convert to isalm but once converted u cannot reconvert, why ?? remember the case in malaysaia recently. islam is d only religion which talks of an ummah worldwide and seeks to subvert d loyalty of citizens the world over by asking the first allegiance to their religion and not to their motherland. we all agree dat ahimsa propogated by gandhi brought peace to an world torn by conflict, it was adopted by d western world also but read any kashmiri newspaper and u shall c any number of articles saying dat ahimsa is unislamic, how did dis socio political idea get a religious conotation is beyond comprehension. so their is a need for interospection by all extremists n d need is most in islam
RE:RE:MOHAMMED IS A SATANIC PROPHET!!!
by deepak on Jun 15, 2008 09:37 AM Permalink
Basheer dont misinterpret Islam...the first thing Mohammad did was to destroy the idols in Kaaba..Jesus preached a new religion too but he didnt hurt or destroy no one..Mohammad is the only person who was a warrior a trader as well as receive dictations from God.
RE:RE:RE:MOHAMMED IS A SATANIC PROPHET!!!
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
He became prophet at the age of 40.Till the 40 years ,Makkaites hailed him alameen or honest man.when he statrted propagating, they atacked him and boycotted. Then he went to Madina after 13 years since he cannot stay in Makkah anymore.
Then how you can say the first thing he was done was removing idols.
Deepak, I agree idols were removed. That was when the most of the Makkaites became believers of Islam, they themselves removed.
I wish you read more about islam and study from some authentic sources.
RE:RE:RE:RE:MOHAMMED IS A SATANIC PROPHET!!!
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 10:19 AM Permalink
That means you are supporting the demolish of Ayodhya mosque when most of the people there are Hindus
attitude of indian society is derived from brahminical ethos. it is soft and non violent and based on caste and family. missionary zeal exhibited by western religions are less visible with traditional hindu society. under such circumstances, we have to exist with such tendencies like terror attacks, diruption of developmeny and orderly society and wait for a day others agree with us.
RE:terror attaks
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:04 AM Permalink
A society divided by on the name of caste itself is a great sin. Being proud about on the basis of caste is a shame.
There are good brahmins I agree, but there are some facts as well. They are aryans who conquered the country and destroyed society and established casteism. Lower caste got a status equivalent to slaves. Casteism still haunts India and its society.
RE:terror attaks
by chetan shetty on Jun 15, 2008 09:35 AM Permalink
There is differentiation even in islam...why are Iran and Iraq fight ? shi and snunnis kill each other
RE:terror attaks
by Basheer on Jun 15, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
I agree.There are different thoughts like you said, Shia, Sunni etc.And there are fights among them.
Casteism is different.A shia and Sunni can get tea from same tea shop in the same type of mug. A shia can become Sunni in a second and vice versa But caste tag exists till the end.
A dalit can never become a Brahmin and vice versa. What I said is being proud with just birth is a shame.
RE:terror attaks
by Mind Clear on Jun 15, 2008 09:45 AM Permalink
Caste based on birth is a distortion. Caste is One & is a life concept distorted by confused people. It means that to live life intelligently we need to effectively balance the 4-forces within - Thinker, Protector, Economist, Worker - and also while governing society. This is all based on natural human intelligence.
