I request to all hindu brother please dont abuse Islam, I have so many muslim friends and they hates jehadis. Dont forget Irfan Pathan, APJ Abul Kalaam, Ajim Prem Ji.... have more weight than sabeel, kafeel, afjal... All muslim brother please beware of wrong element, wrong doers are not helping Islam but only destroing it. Jai Hind, Jai Islam, Jai Hinduism, Hell to jehad
RE:Request
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
DONT ABUSE EITHER ISLAM OR MUSLIMS BLINDLY. FEW PEOPLE ARE THERE BUT NOT TO BLAME EVERYBODY. THERE IS GOOD AND BAD IN EVERY RELIGION. EVEN LOTS AND LOTS OF BAD HINDUS HAVE BLASTED AND KILLED PEOPLE IN ASSAM, BENGAL, MAOIST INSURGENCIES, CASTE RIOTS, SIKH RIOTS ETC. Whether in name of religion or not killing is still killing and killers have no religon. DOnt blindly blame all people---its bad and just abusing.
RE:Request
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
Mr. Ramesh Sinha, have you read The Quran? If not, pl read first and then preach. You can get category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Good-stuff, etc from The Bible, The Quran and The Book of Mormon at "The Skpetics Annotatetd Bible"
Pl read that and then think what would be the effect on a follower of that book who is taught from an early childhood itself that the said book is directly revealed by the "most merciful and all powerful creator"
RE:Request
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
JGN...Have you read Geeta or Rig Veda ????...I have. I was taught at early age. It is full of contradictions, stories and ridiculous things too. Can we blame all the corruption, greed, rapes going on broad daylight in India, on the Rig Veda. Dont be totally ridiculous
RE:RE:Request
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
lol, ramesh, can you quote one verse from rigveda which asks us to do heinous crimes. If you do so, I promise I shall stop posting on rediff and apologize to you immediately. come on I am waiting for you, present before me some verse.
RE:Request
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
who said so, ali sina (author of faithfreedom) has won all debates. he has perfectly/logically/rationally proved that islam was founded to kill people. I have read most of his lengthy debates, especially with the pakistani scholar who started arguing irrationally after some days. While I agree that he doesnt argue with kids like you, (thats because kids argue irrationally and threaten to kill when losing debates). Do you expect him to come out in the open and debate so that terrorists can kill him, comoen, he is not so foolish.
Grow up and learn how a debate is done rationally and with how many people this guy has debated and won all of them.
RE:Request
by Crisp on Jun 05, 2008 08:28 PM Permalink
This website is run by apstates of Islam, meaning who left Islam for whatever reason. It is run by Iranian expatriate Ali Sena. It is viewed more as Islamphobia than anything else. The well established histrotical facts are present in a quite opposite and negative way. So it is not a serious business here. The refernces you are giving peope is to propagate this negative sense and it works if you hold a negative view about Islam. To understand the principles of Islam please read the Quran!
RE:Request
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
What is wrong is to generalize a whole community for the actions of a few. If Brahmin Godse kileld Gandhi does not mean all Brahmins are killers. Thats where you are highly wrong my dear friend.
RE:RE:Request
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
you are totally mistaken ramesh. while its wrong to generalize, your logic makes me laugh. while godse (first of all I doubt if anyone knows which caste he belonged to) might be a brahmin, no one blames brahmins as whole because he didnt kill gandhi in the name of Brahminism. If he had done so, and if no other brahmin had comdemned it, then I can perfectly understand that all brahmins might have been branded as killers. But his motive of killing was completely different, it was not at all related to brahminism.
Whereas, islamic terrorrists kill in the name of islam and quote quran saying that it is their duty to kill non-muslims. Hence their motive is crytal clear, i.e., war in name of religion. Above that, the moderate muslims never have renounced these fundamentalists, while hindu moderates always denounce their fundamentalist brothers in hinduism. Hence we are left with absolutely no option but to generalize. Of course we cannot generalize on a decent muslim, or women or kids, but we need to be careful about muslim youth who look suspicious.
This case should be an eye-opener that even well-off fanatics might be roaming around our offices in software companies.
RE:RE:Request
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
Mr. Ramesh Sinha, you are vainly trying to defend Islam. Godse did not kill Gandhi for converting the entire world into "Brahmins" Understand the phylosophy of Islam and then post messages.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Jun 05, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
JGN...let me make a wild guess for your incomrehensible bookish defensive jab...you are a muslim..
RE:RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
Your wild guess in really off the mark. I am irreligious (and defnitely not a muslim). I do not believe in the dogmas of any religion.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
this is the hyprocrazy we have to live with..will you please shut up and leave this place.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by YASAR IMRAN on Jun 05, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
JGN - You First Understand Petrol's Importance Then Further Write - Pls. read No Abuse To You: Petrol milai ga tub to piyogai??? Jab petrol nahi tu Khait me paani patai ga nahi. Diesel nahi, tu water supply ghar-ghar band, petrol-diesel nahi to Narendra Modi will be at home. Petrol band Thermal power band, petrol nahi NTPC closed. Petrol Supply band, HPCL, BPCL and Indian Oil will close down. Petrol/diesel nahi Railway will stop running. Ration will not come, quickly everybody will die regardless of which community Hindu/Muslim/Sikh or Christian. See the importanace of Petrol????
RE:RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
I do not drink petrol. Pl don't post the same rubbish again and again.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cooldudelov on Jun 05, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
@ yasir I am seeing your patrol comments. My friend world is circular and see how. First Arab oil ic controlled by America. So your argument of stopping supply does not hold water. Secondly American dollar and economy is dependent on Oil so they cannot afford to stop. Also to sustain technology driven lifestyle America needs IT professionals. These IT professionals comes from my dear country India. So America cannot afford to stop oil supply maximum make it more expensive. Arab does not have balls to stop oil or go against America. So GOD bless America and Long live India. Don’t know about your Arab master. May be they can go to jannat for 72 virgins.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The Brain on Jun 05, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
JGN,
Another out of context quote picked up by you form quran... could you please take little pain to write few verses which were before it and after it....
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
Yes. I quote the complete Sura. Pl don't report for abuse. Explain to ignorants like me in citilized language: SURA XLVII (Mohammed XCVI)
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
WHOSO believe not, and prevent others from the way of God – their works will He cause to miscarry;
But whoso believe, and do things that are right, and believe in what hath been sent down to MUHAMMAD – for it is the truth from their Lord – their sins will He cancel, and dispose their hearts aright.
This-because the infidels followed vanity, while those who believe, followed the truth from their Lord. Thus to men doth God set forth their likenesses.
When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.
And afterwards let there either be free dismissals or ransomings, till the war hath laid down its burdens. Thus do. Were such the pleasure of God, he could himself take vengeance upon them but He would rather prove the one of you by the other. And whoso fight for the cause of God, their works he will not suffer to miscarry
He will vouchsafe them guidance and dispose their hearts aright
He will bring them into the Paradise, of which he hath told them
Believers! If ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm
But as for the infidels, let them perish and their works shall God bring to naught
This-because they were averse from the command which God sent
RE:RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
here its saying aabout the importance of belief in GOD. Its so pure that nothing can come in between.
what is an Encounter my dear. its confrontation or war. in such a situation will you not fight against youer enemy and chop their heads off?.
The rest its saying anout the importance of true belief in GOD.
RE:The most merciful creator wants help from punny guys like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
Pl read the sura eagain especially the portion: "When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters"
Are these the wrods of a "most merciful creator" ????
i wanted to tell not to blame ISLAM for evrything that happens. if i have a muslim name that doesn't mean that I can be a muslim.its not that easy to live like a muslim as said in the Quran.its great dedication and sacrifices that will make you a true muslim.
People who are killing each other may have their personal reasons rather than religious reasons.
RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
everyone.DONT ABUSE EITHER ISLAM OR MUSLIMS BLINDLY. FEW PEOPLE ARE THERE BUT NOT TO BLAME EVERYBODY. THERE IS GOOD AND BAD IN EVERY RELIGION. EVEN LOTS AND LOTS OF BAD HINDUS HAVE BLASTED AND KILLED PEOPLE IN ASSAM, BENGAL, MAOIST INSURGENCIES, CASTE RIOTS, SIKH RIOTS ETC. Whether in name of religion or not killing is still killing and killers have no religon. Dont blindly blame all people---its bad and just abusing.
RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by The Brain on Jun 05, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
This verses were revealed at the time of Badr war.... so at the time of war, it was instructed to strike the non belivers... this was the battle between 300 muslims and 1000 Jews, so god is promissing them that he will make there feet firm and protect muslims...
get you fact corrected Mr. JGN... first learn about Islam before just quoting things out of context.
RE:RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>quoting things out of context......how the words of some supreme creator have different meaning when taken "out of context"? And what is the context that you are referring to????
RE:RE:RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
The Brain, Islam is more of a political ideology than a religion. Islam is arab imperialism. The Idnian and Pak muslims are not treated as equals by the Arabs (even the black arabs in Oman are not treated as equals to their white-skinned countrymen).
Why you poeople find it difficult to get rid of the religious dogmas? Is there any proof for the existence of any god? You are believing in some fairy tales just because you are taught so from the early childhood.
RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by The Brain on Jun 05, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Muslims were fighting a war with Quraish tribes.
Why? because when mohammed started preaching about Islam, the Quraish tribes trowed him out of his home (Makka) and he had to migrate to madina... Till this time Muslims were not allowed to take up war with any one as it was not instruected by Allah. but then Allah instructed them to go out for a war (even though you are less in numbers) but I will protect you and help you to win it. Those who belive in me will be firm and those who don't will run away like cowards...
The battle happened, and muslim won the war against 1000 quraish. This was the first battle fought by muslims against quraish.
Prophethood came to mohammed at the age of 40 and god instructed to pick up a war only after 13 years of Mohammed prophethood (his age was 53 by then).
Islam doesn't preach volience, but islam also doesn't preach injustice.
RE:TRUE MUSLIM
by cooldudelov on Jun 05, 2008 07:56 PM Permalink
id every thing is out of context then mohammad also quoted Alla out of context. there is no Alla my friend. Imaginary GOD of one persons imagination
RE:misleading
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
its bad that these people are killing innocents.we need to ask them why they have done this.
RE:misleading
by Tera Baap on Jun 05, 2008 08:22 PM Permalink
Muslims were fighting a war with Quraish tribes.
Why? because when mohammed started preaching about Islam, the Quraish tribes trowed him out of his home (Makka) and he had to migrate to madina... Till this time Muslims were not allowed to take up war with any one as it was not instruected by Allah. but then Allah instructed them to go out for a war (even though you are less in numbers) but I will protect you and help you to win it. Those who belive in me will be firm and those who don't will run away like cowards...
The battle happened, and muslim won the war against 1000 quraish. This was the first battle fought by muslims against quraish.
Prophethood came to mohammed at the age of 40 and god instructed to pick up a war only after 13 years of Mohammed prophethood (his age was 53 by then).
Islam doesn't preach volience, but islam also doesn't preach injustice.
i dont support Rasheed if he guilty then definetely he should be punished.......and every person who is involed in terroist activith should be hanged....But please dont said anything to islam, becoz islam never support terrorist activity ,,,i f any muslim is involed any terrorist activity then he is not muslim....beocz he is not following muslim rules and regulation....
RE:islam
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Have you read The Quran in a language you fully understand? Is there no verses in the Quran exhorting the believer to kill all the "kafirs" ??
RE:islam
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
Pl write something on your own rather than copying and pasting from Dr. Zakir Naik's web. I have seen them.
RE:islam
by Pervez Patel on Jun 05, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
The context is the war of Badr..when the chopping of heads was commanded. There you got your context. What else do you need ?
RE:Kafir
by YASAR IMRAN on Jun 05, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Bhai Sachin Gupta, Wrong Approach. Islam does not authorize / instruct / prove to kill any innocent. It is big offence. Those who do are not in line with Islamic Sharia Law. I have too many Hindu friends, we call them by name rather than word "kaafir". It is inhuman act.
RE:RE:RE:Kafir
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
in every religion people are propagating their religious messages. thats the purpose of GOD message. you get the message to everyone.
RE:RE:RE:Kafir
by YASAR IMRAN on Jun 05, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
JGN - YOU FIRST MUST UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANT OF "PETROL" THEN JUMP ON DISCUSSION FORUM.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kafir
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
What can you do about that? No power on planet earth can stop supply of petrol to India (btw it is not petrol but hydro-carbon that is imported into India).
You need some more education than what is taught to you in Madrassas to understand the world politics.
RE:Kafir
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
Thanks for asking this question my dear brother whever you are from. In Quran the Quote says "Kill every non believers that comes your way". yes I agree it is written. but.....but...you should read the whole context in which it was written.
Infact it was during preparation for a war against some clan.They had broken an agrement with Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). so Allah has ordered when going for the war. "Kill those non believers who comes your way".
This is the meaning those propagating hatred gainst ISLAM wants to tell.They always take some quotes here and there and tell Quran says to kill all Kafirs.
Even Quran says if the enemy concedes defeat protect him to a place of security.Will that happen in this era if your enemy concedes defeat will you leave him??
Just a smiple question when Krishna said to Arjun to fight against his brothers does that means all brothers should fight against each other?. it was for a different context right/...
RE:RE:RE:Kafir
by JGN on Jun 05, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
Have they not journeyed through the land, and seen what hath been the end of those who flourished before them? God brought destruction on them and the like of this doth await the infidels.
This-because God is the protector of those who believe, and because the infidels have no protector.
Verily God will bring those who believe, and o the things that are right, into the Gardens, beneath whose shades the river flow but they who believe not, take their fill and eat as beasts eat! And their dwelling place the fire:
And how many cities were mightier in strength than thy City, which hath thrust three forth. We destroyed them and there was none to help them
Shall he who followeth the clear teachings of his Lord be as he, the evil of whose doings hath been made to seem good to him, or like those who follow their own lu-sts?
Now read it for yourself an explain to ignorants like me what it exactly means.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kafir
by mohamed on Jun 05, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
You are talking about how justice will be done during day of judgement and life after death.
If GOD says that I wont be there for people who dont worship me then what is wrong with that.
RE:RE:Kafir
by AK on Jun 05, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
You are right,no one is against muslims, Feell that these youths are a big burden for muslim parents so they are pushing them into terrorism and let them die. But before doing this they should think why they given birth or they could have do some alternative earlier itself. so if parents dont want kids take some other alternative instead of this cruel things.
