RE:sanjay dutt also helped daud ibrahim
by drax on Jun 05, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
Good Idea. Why not start with eliminating your family members to control the population.
OK OKAY...SO NOW WHEN I QUOTED SOME HINDU VERESE JUSTFYING KILLING...YOU HAVE IMMEDIATELY (BUT RIGHTLY) EXPLAINED THAT...SOME KILLING IS OKAY BUT SOME KILLING IS NOT...SO NOW YOU ARE ALL BECOME MAHARISHIS AND ADDING THE CONCEPT OF JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE TO JUSTIFY KILLING...But earlier you werE just quoting scriptures from other minority religions without regards to what they suffered led to the violence...HA HA HA...you suffered the big defeat from the hands of a Hindu itself because Truth will ALWAYS win ...Satyameva Jayatey
RE:Ramesh here HA HA
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:53 PM Permalink
lol, cool down mr. ramesh. i asked you to show me one verse which asks hindus to kill non-believers in name of religion. btw, you agreed that you should kill your wife's rapists, thanx for accepting that. but quran says (faithfreedom(dot)org) that you simply/blindly kill non-believers no matter whether they are innocent or not. there are so many satanic verses around, go browse the net deeper.
RE:Ramesh here HA HA
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
That is your interpretation Ramesh...since when did you become an expert on islamic interpretation. I dont claim to be expert on even hindu faith forget other faiths. Point is if you blame other faiths and slander them, I will correct you and point our your dirty chaddi too
RE:Ramesh here HA HA
by drax on Jun 05, 2008 09:15 PM Permalink
You have the deadly Islami virus in you. Unfortunately there is no antidote presently except using your brain.
centuries ago Arabs attacked india.After they won the battles they killed the fighting men and then converted the poor and helpless people.These arabs raped many more woman whose mens were killed in the wars. Now these people's kids and their generations who are living in india forgot how they became muslims. They forgot that their ancestors were tortured ,raped and converted to islam forcefully, Instead of loathing the arabs these indian muslim treat them as their masters and create trouble in india. These guys should look back at history,should think like indians instead of arab mindset and stop creating troubles in india.
RE:ramesh
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
I have posted so many verses...Geeta is full of Krishna telling Arjuna how he will go to heaven if he kills the sons of dhritharashtra and how he will lose all respect if he abstains from killing and spares their life.
RE:ramesh
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:48 PM Permalink
lol, you conveniently forgot that Lord asks Arjuna to kill those who committ crime (they committed crime by molesting draupadi). HE isnt asking Arjuna to kill non-believers. Good joke man, you proved how dumb you are. HAHAHA, LOL. then, if your wife is molested you must follow gandhi's principle and shake hands with the criminal, rather than follow Lord's advice.
RE:ramesh
by mohan krishnan on Jun 05, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
Mahabharata war was started by Kauravas not by Pandavas after Lord Krishna went and asked them to give 5 villages or the kingdom they have apsurped. Duryodhana said no thats how the war started. So when Arjuna said he doesn't want to fight that Geeta is full of Krishna telling Arjuna how he will go to heaven if he kills the sons of dhritharashtra and how he will lose all respect if he abstains from killing and spares their life, means he was born as a kshatriya and he has do his duties. there is no where mentioned in geeta if he kills them he will get heaven. The lord says do our duties and our karma will decide whether we go to heaven or hell. contd..
RE:ramesh
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:52 PM Permalink
OK OKAY...SO NOW WHEN I QUOTED SOME HINDU VERESE JUSTFYING KILLING...YOU HAVE IMMEDIATELY (BUT VERY RIGHTLY) EXPLAINED THAT...SOME KILLING IS JUSTIFIED BUT SOME KILLING IS NOT...SO NOW YOU ARE ALL BECOME MAHARISHIS AND ADDING THE CONCEPT OF JUSTICE AND INJUSTICE TO JUSTIFY KILLING...But earlier you were just blindly quoting scriptures from other minority religions without regards to what they may have suffered and led to the violence...HA HA HA...you HYPOCRITES..You suffered the big defeat from the hands of a Hindu itself because Truth will ALWAYS win ...Satyameva Jayatey. Bhagwaan is the Greatest and He will protect his beings...from lying slanderors
ALLL THOSE WHO CALLED ME MUSLIM AND NOT HINDU SEE THIS BELOW...
Contradiction 1: ----------------- You mention in your opening letter "Srimann Naaraayana, who is the creator of this Universe is known as Sri Vishnu or Sri Mahavishnu."
In another words Lord Mahavishnu is the creator of this Universe. But,
Later in the closing you mention, "Lord Mahavishnu created the Brahmma through His Naval and appointed Brahmma to create the Universe. Brahmma created the Shiva and made Him as a destroyer. Then the Rishis, Munis (saints and sages) with the paraphernalia of the Brahmma Logam, (Eternal), Bhoologam (Earth) etc were created by Brahmma."
Here I find Brahmma is the creator of this Universe, because he is appointed to create Universe, Shiva, Rishis, Munis, Brahmma Logam, and Earth etc.
Contradiction 2: ----------------- In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 3 we find Rudra is Ishwara, Ishwara is the creator (Svetavatara 3: 4 " He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord of all, he who formerly gave birth to Hiranyagarbha, may he endow us with good thoughts")
(Svetavatara 3:7 "Those who know beyond this the High Brahman, the vast, hidden in the bodies of all creatures, and alone enveloping everything, as the Lord, they become immortal")
In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 4 it tells us the description of Ishwara as Supreme Brahman and Creator. (Svetavatar Upanishad 4: 12 "He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord
RE:ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE ON VEDAS
by drax on Jun 05, 2008 08:43 PM Permalink
HAHAHAHHA idiot just because you quote a verse or two with the ZERO IQ understanding of Zakir Naik dont think the sheep is not spotted among the tigers. Just the way you respond to posts on Islam is sufficient to reveal your foolish identity.
RE:ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE ON VEDAS
by cooldudelov on Jun 05, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
ramesh are you educated from Madrass university from Mulla teacher
RE:ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE ON VEDAS
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
continued....
In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 4 it tells us the description of Ishwara as Supreme Brahman and Creator. (Svetavatar Upanishad 4: 12 "He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord of all, who saw Hiranyagarbha being born, may he endow us with good thoughts.") (Svetavatar Upanishad 4:13. "He who is the sovereign of the gods, he in whom all the worlds rest, he who rules over all two footed and four-footed beings, to that god let us sacrifice an oblation.")
Contradiction 3: ---------------- In the Rig Veda, a Rishi says, (The wise call Him by different names, they call Him Agni, Yama or Matarswa) According to this mantra, God bears different names, but the confusion emerges when the very gods- Agni, Yama and Matarswa are projected as independent gods. When the Rig Veda has given independent identity to the above mentioned gods, what is the significance of this mantra?
Moreover, nowhere in the Vedas, Agni is called by the name of Yama or vice--versa. Thus, this mantra serves no useful end; it only creates confusion. This is not the only mantra, which creates contradiction.
The Rig Veda (2/1/3-7) calls Agni by the names of Indra, Vishnu, Brahma, Varun, Mitra, Aryaman, Tvastar, Rudra, Pusan, Savitar and Bhag. Thus, this verse also adds to the confusion. If Agni is also Brahma, Vishnu and Indra, why are they accorded with separate godly identity and status? This mantra also suggests that Agni commands more influence as compared to
RE:RE:ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE ON VEDAS
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:41 PM Permalink
Contradiction 5: ------------------ In the Taitirya Samit -( 'Prajapati' is described as the creator of gods and demons, while the Rig Veda (10/72/2) describes Brahmanaspati as the creator of gods. Again the Taitirya Samit) (1/6/9/1; 2/l/21) projects 'Prajapati' as the creator of Yagya and human beings while the Rigveda (1/96/2) says that Agni created human beings. That is why Agni is called the father of human beings.
But Agni has himself been depicted in Rig Veda as taking birth as living creatures. It is also mentioned in the Taitirya Samit(1/5/9/7) that 'Prajapati' created animals; and having the desire to create people he (3/1/1/1) observed penance.
Now there is again a question to be answered by the Taitirya Samit, (it is known that it will not); if 'Prajapati' was Swambhu and the creator, why did he observe penance? If he did, he did to whom? This obviously suggests that there was someone who was superior to 'Prajapati', or like others, 'Prajapati' too was a creation of a religious fallacy and described as a god.
The Vedic scripture presented have contradictory views; it serves only to misguide the people about the creator of the universe.
RE:ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE ON VEDAS
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
lol, what is your point ramesh. I nowhere see in any of your comments where rigveda says to kill non-hindus in name of religion. btw, where is the contradiction in indra/agni/yama being called by different names (they are posts - like PM, CM, etc). grow up man, and read true sanskrit verses and not translations donw by macaulay and his sons. BTW, I got it now, you are a hindu, but a brahmin-hater, thats what you are, hence you bring up some non-existing "contradictory" verses and try to confuse people.
RE:RE:RAMESH SINHA ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE...GEETA CHAPTER TWO
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
lol, you conveniently forgot that Lord asks Arjuna to kill those who committ crime (they committed crime by molesting draupadi). HE isnt asking Arjuna to kill non-believers. Good joke man, you proved how dumb you are. HAHAHA, LOL. then, if your wife is molested you must follow gandhi's principle and shake hands with the criminal, rather than follow Lord's advice.
RE:RE:RE:RAMESH SINHA ACCEPTING OPEN CHALLENGE...GEETA CHAPTER TWO
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
Lol, what a funny "hindu" this guy ramesh is.
ramesh, quote me ONe verse from any hindu text asking hindus to commit heinous crimes in name of GOD. I shall immediately apologize to you and shall accept that islam is greatest religion of all. I shall wait 20 minutes for you to quote any verse from any hindu text. This is my open challenge to you or any other hindu-basher.
RE:open challenge
by Tera Baap on Jun 05, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
no one from other communities can bash hinduism as Karunanidhi is enough to handle more then 70-80 million hindus across the world! By the way have you read RSS/VHP/BD/SS hindden agendas?
RE:open challenge
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
lol, what joker, how can read anything that is hidden. btw, that fool whom you are taking about never has debated rationally.
RE:ramesh
by Ramesh Sinha on Jun 05, 2008 08:40 PM Permalink
In the Svetavatar Upanishad chapter 4 it tells us the description of Ishwara as Supreme Brahman and Creator. (Svetavatar Upanishad 4: 12 "He, the creator and supporter of the gods, Rudra, the great seer, the lord of all, who saw Hiranyagarbha being born, may he endow us with good thoughts.") (Svetavatar Upanishad 4:13. "He who is the sovereign of the gods, he in whom all the worlds rest, he who rules over all two footed and four-footed beings, to that god let us sacrifice an oblation.")
Contradiction 3: ---------------- In the Rig Veda, a Rishi says, (The wise call Him by different names, they call Him Agni, Yama or Matarswa) According to this mantra, God bears different names, but the confusion emerges when the very gods- Agni, Yama and Matarswa are projected as independent gods. When the Rig Veda has given independent identity to the above mentioned gods, what is the significance of this mantra?
Moreover, nowhere in the Vedas, Agni is called by the name of Yama or vice--versa. Thus, this mantra serves no useful end; it only creates confusion. This is not the only mantra, which creates contradiction.
The Rig Veda (2/1/3-7) calls Agni by the names of Indra, Vishnu, Brahma, Varun, Mitra, Aryaman, Tvastar, Rudra, Pusan, Savitar and Bhag. Thus, this verse also adds to the confusion. If Agni is also Brahma, Vishnu and Indra, why are they accorded with separate godly identity and status? This mantra also suggests that Agni commands more influence as compared to Brahma, Vishnu
RE:ramesh
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
thats really true bhuddha, but I just wanted him to realize that he has no brains or guts when peace-loving people stand up to face them.
RE:ramesh
by INDIAN on Jun 05, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
thats really true bhuddha, but I just wanted him to realize that he has no brains or guts when peace-loving people stand up to face them.
