1. Kashmir-AP-Sikkim-Tibet-Nepal-Bhutan: India must firmly stand on its position that Indian terrortories illegally occupied by Pakistan and China are not for discussions/talks. Simply put they should be asked to 'GOT OUT' .
2. India must build its Nuclear stockpile strenghen its defence forces first before talking about 'trade' 'CBM' so that no country near or far can "even" think about what has happened in the past. China did that first before talking with ANY country. Economy and Army.
3. All Indians must be trained to act as vigilanties to stop terrorist attacks before they occur. All members of the Hindu Organizations must be trained in basic paramilitary self defence techniques.
4. Immigration laws must be strictly executed. POTA must be reinstated. Naxals, Moasits, Communists and Madrassas teaching Sharia laws must be banned by amending the constitution
No Indo-pak nuke war if we wipe out pak's nukes in first strike (could be conventional), overwhelm the conventional forces of pak, and install Hindu military dictatorship forcing the Muslims to revert to Dalit status.
RE:If we cheap-shot them first
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
sreekarshastry...you are so stupid that you should crawl back in your cave
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by ashok kumar on Jun 05, 2008 04:15 AM Permalink
Nuclear weapons are only for deterrentce --- NO Country including USA, Russia, China N. Korea are going to use them. ONLY a crazy terrorist like a suicide bomber will use them. They have nothing to lose, if coutry's head like Perez were to use it, WE ALL know it will the end of India, China and adjoining coutries
RE:IF it happens, it'll be a five minute affairs
by murli nair on Jun 05, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
Actually it would be Allah, Vishnu etc who will poke their followers into war.
Noticed a discussion on Afghanistan below. Not connected with Dr. A.Q. Khan and his reassuring statements. He is a top scientist in Pak., knows the dangers of a nuclear-exchange and I am glad he discounts its use against India. Now, I give some info., on AFGHANISTAN, and may be a few opinions of mine. 2500 B.C.= A wooded Afghanistan, people were Hindu Vaidic. The Vedic/Indus people saw their northern limit in central Afghanistan. Some indications that Indus civilisation spread beyond khyber into "Gandhara". Dhritharashtr, the Kaurava Prince of Haryana/Western U.P. married the princess of the Hindu King of Gandhara. Hindu Traders in touch with central Asian Hunas and Chinese to sell Cotton and Silk (India was the first to know about silk, not China) in markets close to today's Tashkent and what came to be known as the "Silk Road". 500 B.C.: Spread of Buddhism and decline of Vedic Ceremonies. Buddhist missionaries set up their Sangha and convert most of that area to Buddhism. They are followed by Jain monks who are very active in southern Afghanistan. 318-320 B.C.: Alexander (Sikandar) conquers the area, lays waste parts of the city of Gandhara. Leaves behind Greek kingdoms, his Greek and Persian troops, their families. In those days populations were much smaller than today. It was easier to conquer territories. 300 - 200 B.C. Heliodorus, the Greek King of Bactria (the Greek name for Afgh) declares himself a "Krishna Bhakta", takes on the title "Vasudeva Piyya
RE:Afghanistan Now and Then
by Kris iyer on Jun 04, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
Cont'd: Seulucus, another Bactrian King, sends his Ambassador, Megasthanes, to the Mauryan Court in Patna (Patalipura). We owe to this Megasthanes some information on this period and to coins minted by Heliodorus and Seleucus. Afghanistan produces "Gandhara Sculpture" of the Buddha, Krishna and Vishnu [ not Shiva, surprisingly ]. You can see these at the Delhi Museum and also some of the coins including the one showing Heliodorus' Krishna Column and the words "Vasudeva Piyya". Chandra Gupta Maurya takes an army up to Gandhara, asking Seluecus to leave the area, go further West. Marries Seluecus's daughter. Most important:.....World's second UNIVERSITY opened by the Buddhists in TAXA-SHEELA or TAXILA. The first University was in NALANDA in Bihar (did not stop Bihar becoming an uncivilised place in Independent India, did it? - so past glory is no guarantee of present condition!!) 100 A.D.: The biggest statue of Bhagawan Buddha erected in BHAMIYAN by the people of Afghanistan. I forget the dimensions, but at least two or three generations of labourers would have carved it on the moutain side, using extensive scaffolding. 700 - 800 A.D.: Arab cavalry and Persian soldiers conquer Afghanistan, destroy the Sanghas and temples, enslave the Monks and "hard-core" Buddhists and sell them in the slave markets of the middle-east. The Arabs practised slavery for a long time. 800-1100 A.D. A number of small muslim kingdoms established. One of which had a scholar, Al-Beruni.
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by Kris iyer on Jun 04, 2008 01:13 PM Permalink
Al-Beruni took trouble to travel in India, worked hard in learning some basic Sanskrit. He learnt Hindu Astronomy, Maths and other sciences. He was strongly committed to Islam and did not appreciate some of the finer details of Hinduism. He laid the foundation for the invasion of Northern India by his Kingdom. 1200 - 1800 A.D. I am taking a short-cut, because I am taking up too much space in this site. The British try to get into Afghanistan before Russia does. But is defeated by the guerilla tactics of the Afghan tribes. Britain manages to install a friendly King in Kabul and returns to "civilisation" in India!! 1800-1970: Sorry, I have made this so long. The communists depose the King and manage to bring much-needed modernity to Afghanistan. In my opinion, they did a lot of good for the Afghan people (I do not like Marxists - have to accept facts also). But the Paks and Yanks had "plans" for Afghan. "Mujahideen" were dispatched from Pak, with American weapons. Russians intervened. After a few years, they also went home. Then came the TALIBAN - No TV, no music, women who showed their angle or the jeans under the black-tent would be KILLED (I saw a clip of a woman being shot dead in a Kabul Baazaar). They organised a canon fire on the Bhamiyan Buddha to the shouts of "Allah Hu Akbar", still could not destroy the huge Statue. At least 50 years of work by their ancestors was seriously damaged. Is it any surprise that people who saw that clip think badly of Islam?
RE:Afghanistan Now and Then
by VENURAJA gopal Bowenpalle on Jun 04, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
Now you can see the steel structure called the caste system of Hindus. As long as (and it was very long period in the world history for hundered of years) there was Hinduism in Afganisthan, it was powerful , prosperous trading centre and the entry point to India, Gandhara (present Kandhahar) was a beautiful place where peace reigned and culture and art took the first place. Once Buddhism came ,destroying Hinduism and its steel frame , gone was the strenght , to face the attacking tribals and Isamic war lords from middle east. It was easy for them to convert all these Buddhists to Islam. And then the present state of anarchy,disease and poverty. Mind you still there are about 0.5% of Hindus in this country. Their most ancient museum was destroyed,Buddha statues were blown up. Agriculture ,art and culture were gone and only opium,ganja cultivation started and traded. Afaganisthan , in some areas people cut grass ,boil and eat. It has become destination for all smugglers. supplier of smugglers as well. In India Islam went to peak,ruled the entire country and yet as you may know , went in to defence to protect its religion let alone converting the Hindus. They could not answer the Bhakti cult and as a reply they had to bring forth the Sufi saints. Sufisim was the result of Hindu Bhakti cult. And actually Islam in India absobed many Hindu ideas,family systems,eating habits and dressing for women and men. Whereas Buddhism in Afganistan went into a tailspin.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!! by ransaran on Jun 04, 2008 12:31 PM MIGHTY I AM FOR ALL REASON AGAINST KILLING OF ANY HUMAN BEING IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS RELIGIOUS OR CASTE AFFILIATION BUT YOU SHOULD TALKOF MUSLIMS KILLED IN GUJRAT AS WELL
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:41 PM Permalink
thanks ransarn, I am against killing anybody whether its godro, post godra, kashmiri pandits or any body else.I dont support any stupids who pick up caste,religion or anyother selfish things to kill human beings.
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
religion is a way of life and its created by man not god or its messenger and the only evidence for it is the number of flaws each religion has and nothing is perfect and it doesnt matter as long as people look after their business and carry on with their work for the prosperity.
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by George Bush on Jun 04, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
Why in Godhra Muslims has burned alive 56 Hindus in trian ?
This was the main cause of riots in Gujrat.
Accept, elcalre to all and justify innocent hindu killings.........
You all are always raise your finger first to justify violence - understand your people they are problem on entire world at the moment
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:43 PM Permalink
yes true but killing is inhumane and that is all i am talking.
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by ransaran on Jun 04, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT U ARE A GOOD HUMAN BEING
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by ransaran on Jun 04, 2008 12:45 PM Permalink
GEORGE BUSH YOU ARE TRUE TO UR NAME REALLY A WAR MONGER
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:47 PM Permalink
congress muslim party workers burnt the train and the anger was spilt over general population and congress was inefficient in taking actions against these scound@@rels.Tell me how many days elapsed between godra and post godra
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:50 PM Permalink
and time and again even post godra was also wrong and i dont support that either.
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by ransaran on Jun 04, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
mighty thanks for the discussion
RE:HEY GUYS START SOMETHING FOR MUSLIMS
by Am Indian on Jun 04, 2008 01:19 PM Permalink
dear mickey mouse, find your mini mouse and do something funny. we need some cartoons to make rediff happening.
There shall be number of excuses for killing people but its all together inhumane and the reason I asked everybody including balaord,khalid raza and ransarn how many hindus were killed since 6 th century ------and if we were take excuses for killing all those kids and relatives should have been killing like fundamentalists and this should have happened even with kashmiri pandits , why dont u think kashmiri pandits relatives and orphans who owns kashmir did not become terrorists while you people are up in arms.Please answer me.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by Abhinav on Jun 04, 2008 12:03 PM Permalink
you need to have guts to fight against atriocities ......
what do you think SHIVAJI did ....moghals called him terrorists ....the way others are calling MUSLIMS in the present days ....
there is nothing wrong if the relatives and orphans of kashmiri pandits taking up arms to fight against the injustice ....
can you tell me how many MUSLIMS have been killed after the INDEPENDENCE of INDIA ...the democratic republic of INDIA .......
how many muslims are falsely booked under different acts and sections ....
how many MUSLIMS have actually been killed in GUJARAT and MUMBAI riots ....
how many muslims have been killed POLICE ACTION after INDIAN GOVERNMENT taking over the NIZAM rule in ANDHRA PRADESH.
i am not giving you the example or picture of the 6th century where there was no constitution or rules ....i am talking about after the INDEPENDENCE ......
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
go on abhinave tell how many since u seem to know more about the numbers and what ever number you quote whether its true or untrue will still be very very small when compared the number of hindus killed since 6 th century AD.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:31 PM Permalink
i have u my answer with a question and anwer that.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by tka on Jun 04, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
Abhinav, -Shivaji was during aurangzeb - probably one of the most hateful, vitriolic, religious communal mad man. He tried converting the whole of India and shivaji was a product of the revolt. Auragnzeb can call shivaji whatever he liked but the world knows who the cruel dictator was. -In Independent India-more hindus have died post independence as per official records. - how many muslims have been booked - You need to accept that most terrorists caught have been muslims - you cannot blame the govt. machinery to keep cooking up imaginary stuff all the time. - In guj in '02 750 muslims died, BUT only after 60 hindus were killed first by a mob of 2000 muslims. 260 hindus also died in the riots. Additionally riots in gujarat was not a new thing, it happened some 10 times between 1969 and 2002 and every single time more hindus died. - If you are an Indian you ALWAYS WILL support the cases of annexing Hyderabad. Moreover, it was the muslim league that wanted a separate country, and most of the muslims stayed away from independence movement. Pak had 24% hindus in 1947, today there are 1%. In bangladesh hindus were 30%, today 7%. Conversions and forceful conversion were practiced through islamic rule in the country. Afghanistan, pakistan, bangladesh were india and today are completely islam. Between 12&14 century muslim invasions killed more than a million hindus in north india -offical figures in just single wars exceed 2,50,000. And rules DID exist, it was not anarchy.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by ransaran on Jun 04, 2008 12:31 PM Permalink
MIGHTY I AM FOR ALL REASON AGAINST KILLING OF ANY HUMAN BEING IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS RELIGIOUS OR CASTE AFFILIATION BUT YOU SHOULD TALKOF MUSLIMS KILLED IN GUJRAT AS WELL
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
sure thanks , that was wrong and even muslims burning the train which had youngsters were all more criminal and there is no excuse.
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:35 PM Permalink
I dont support killing anybody whether its godra , post godra, kashmiri pandits or anybody and thousands of wars are faced by hindus and if required we could have taken all those major wars to kill people and occupy land , tell me do u think its difficult for india to win over pakisthan and bangladesh and then spread our religion.
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by shakil ahmed ansari on Jun 04, 2008 12:40 PM Permalink
MIGHTY STOP THINKING IN TERMS OF HINDUS N MUSLIMS THINK IN TERMS OF INDIANS
RE:Killing is inhumane whether its for religion,land or for wealth!!!!!!!!!
by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
thanks shakil, but i appriciate the respect you hold for nationality but that was the only way to answer to people who think small petty things can be taken as excuse to kill people.
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:36 PM Permalink
i will tell u its not difficult atleast becuase of the army we have in kicking pakis and bangli s
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by _ on Jun 04, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
the pandits of muslims were facing the similar problem as the muslims of kashmir are facing today.....your bjp people jaghmohan..who supported the vp singh government went to jammu and asked them to leave their land in return they'll get a better life in delhi...just like jinnah fooled the muslims.....
when they returned the bjp almost forgot them and diverted the nations attention with rath yatra...and ram mandir issue....
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
tell which son of a b...tch gives right for muslims in kashmir to stay before we consider their rights.
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by _ on Jun 04, 2008 12:01 PM Permalink
typo error read the pandits of kashmir
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 11:56 AM Permalink
this message is @balaord,khalidraza and ransaran.
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by mighty on Jun 04, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
first and foremost with kashmiri pandits is that kashmir belongs to kashmiri pandits who were displaced by paki muslims and if you people claim that killing is justified for occupying the owners of the land then palestinians deserved to be kicked by israeli s since we are applying the same thing here.
RE:You dont want but we indian wants.
by venkat on Jun 04, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
THAT MEANS YOU HINDUS ARE WAR MONGERS AM I RIGHT THATS WHY LTTE,ULFA,PLA OF MANIPUR ETC,ETC
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by ratnesh srivastav on Jun 04, 2008 11:47 AM Permalink
Which means u r a porki who is ashamed of his religion and has adopted hindu name.
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by Abhinav on Jun 04, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
its HINDUS who are mostly ashamed of their religion ...thats why they change either their name or their religion ...come to USA and check out hindus who are not willing to reveal their name and religion ....
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by Fantastic on Jun 04, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
Oh.... >>>WHY LTTE,ULFA,PLA OF MANIPUR ETC,ETC Dear dead brain cult....They are not carrying any religious propoganda..like u islamists.. And in manipur most of the militants are supported by Church..
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by venkat on Jun 04, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
MANIPURI MILITANTS ARE MOSTLY MAITAI HINDUS POOR FELLOW TOTALLY BRAINWASHED
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by Abhinav on Jun 04, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
@ FANTASTIC...
the ugliest and filthy race and cult ....even no muslim is carrying any religious propoganda ...they are not asking anyone to convert ...they are just fighting for the rights and freedom they deserve ....the way your filthy cult section GUJJARS are trying for ....or the LTTE rats are fighting for ....
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by Abhinav on Jun 04, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
dont include INDIANS with you .....you must be a nepali or a LTTE terrorist from TAMIL NADU OR SRILANKA ......
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by Tamil natan on Jun 04, 2008 12:25 PM Permalink
bloody cowards. What do you mean we Indian? You mean you bhaiya from Bimaru. Be more precise. Cowards. You fathers let your mothers get rape by the muslim invaders - while being peaceful. The product is your people in the North.
