Hinduism in it's current form has nothing got to do with India, it is germanic pagan religion that spread in northern part of India after the neolithic period. Indian culture worships nature , not rama , indians worship the sun, not krishna. The personifications of gods is the direct result of foreign influence. The values of the so called hindus in India are utterly foreign and stupid. The social instititions these hindus setup can at best be described as moronic. Indians should root out hinduism from their minds and return to nature worshipping. Else our culture would nothing compared to western or persian cultures
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by Seenu Subbu on Jul 28, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
I suppose worshipping a blank wall or a wooden cross are not moronic, especially when virgins give birth and prophets get a ride to heaven and bring back holy messages. Nothing moronic at all.
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by Gopal on Jul 28, 2008 11:59 PM Permalink
Mr.Praveen Gautier has written an excellent article. Why do you deviate from it. Let us discuss something good for the present crisis.
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by mullah sambhar on Jul 29, 2008 12:00 AM Permalink
Yakappa? Yeshu ivattu belagge ninna bayalli oosu bidlillva? Kakkas madillva ivattu belagge yeshu hesaru heLkondi?
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by Seenu Subbu on Jul 29, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
Yaarige bayyutta ideeya anta gottagalilla Siva.. Swalpa confusion aagide. "Praveen George Ullaganathan Selvanathan Curtly David Ambrose" ge bayta ideeya andhre sari.
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by mullah sambhar on Jul 29, 2008 12:24 AM Permalink
Howdu saar, avanige, Pravin "George" ige ne. Papa, he does not know how he ended up with the British version of a Greek name and he lecturing us on whether India is a Hindu country or not. Definitely constipated..
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by Sriram on Jul 29, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
Yeah with stealth christists like you roaming the indian subcontinent with the intent to convert no wonder.. People like you are the jaichands of today.I hope you rot in hell and even christ cant save you there.
RE:Myth of India Being a Hindu country
by baluguru on Jul 29, 2008 12:23 AM Permalink
Are you sure who was ur father or grandfather or do you want to argue on that?
Converted brothers are faniticals and they are given stupid concepts like u have abt our culture. You like it or not 2 youngest religions in the world have taken us to the point of no return.
RE:brahmins
by Seenu Subbu on Jul 28, 2008 11:54 PM Permalink
Sure, Sardar Manmohan Singh licking the feet of white woman to stay in power is fine by your Dravidian neolithic standards. James Perumalan Ramanathan Ambrose Shanmugam, who are YOU?
Gautier has not said that there is a direct link between Christian missionaries and the nuclear deal. Some of us are reading too much in this article. Nevertheless, the nuclear deal could bring in more Christian missionaries. They may come to India as "aid-workers" to study how our heathen society is coping with nuclear energy and give us unsolicitated advice how we are all going to hell. The bottom line is this: whenever you deal with the American govt, you get a huge influx of the missionaries. If you are a secularist (=anti-Hindu), you will not see any problem.
RE:Missionaries
by oscar vaz on Jul 28, 2008 11:29 PM Permalink
So what do you suggest??? Stop the convent schools in the country.... Convent education has improved literacy in the country without changing the culture of the country. Could you point out your argument for linking the Christians missionaries with the Nuclear deal.
Narrow minded morons like you see negative into everything and are the cause for the country going to the dogs, by giving such baseless suggestions.
RE:Missionaries
by Dhruba Chakravarti on Jul 29, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Mr. Vaz.. the convent educated people dominate our newsmedia. Lets have a test. Name one convent-educated TV journalist who has one kind word to say about us ordinary Hindus. Vidya dadati vinayam (education gives you humility). Just show me one humble convent-educated TV reporter.
RE:Missionaries
by Seenu Subbu on Jul 28, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
What is the percentage of Convent schools in India, compared to government, public, aided and autonomous institutions? Please let us know.
RE:Missionaries
by suren patel on Jul 29, 2008 03:22 AM Permalink
Missionaries are the biggest scroungers of this world and now we have these eavangelist from the Satan state of the USA. As much as the Saudis fund the Wahabis, the Amaricans fund the missionaries with billions of dollars for conversions, see the N.e. India and one would get the picture.Stopping these miissionaries activities is note a crime nor marons like minded thoughts but an act of civilisation that even Gandhi could not not apprehend.
This is very confusing article. I don't know what is the author is trying to say. He is comparing recent blasts and the government inaction to the nuclear deal, whereas the two issues are completely different. I completely agree what the government has done for the nuclear deal. I understand there had been some under the cover deal. I am not supporting that, but I am supporting the deal, and I am happy that the government has got the majority and have been able to get rid off the communists. It is required sometime to take a different unconventional approach to problem when the simple approach is not possible due to stupidity of the people. But I think we need a POTA like act to tackle the terrorists. We can't do without an agency like FBI or we should be prepared to face such terrorism more frequently in future.
RE:Confusing Article
by Gopal on Jul 29, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
The terrorism should not be connected to religions. Treat it as an offence against the NATION. Let there be strict laws to handle the terrorists.
Our rules for policing are framed in accordance with the time of its enactment. The Law depends on the parameters of the offence and offenders. As time pass on and the parameters are changing we must go for amendments to the existing laws. If need be we go for enacting another law. Even a child knows that the parameters of offence and offenders are changed in the last couple of years. One government passed a law according to the parameters prevailed at the time. Next government withdraw the law on some pretext. May be on political reasons. The offender strikes back. Then crying foul. What a political crap? Sanctioning some payments to the family of deceased etc is of no matter after the loss of precious life. Do something to protect the life and property of the citizens for which people elected them. And not to SELL our sovereignty. Initiate measures to stop these carnage. OR do they use this opportunity to process all papers 'to surrender' under the cover of terrorism?
May be the government is trying to include a clause in the 123 agreement empowering a foreign country to handle the terrorism here and protect our life and property. :) Then we can blame that country for the terrorism here:)
There is no announcements regarding any type of new legal approach from the government. Congress men, rise up!! Question your leaders.
RE:Confusing Article
by Seenu Subbu on Jul 28, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
Whose feet do you lick? Or do you prefer other parts of human body to lick? Which wall/rock/wood/insect do you worship?
RE:Confusing Article
by suren patel on Jul 29, 2008 03:27 AM Permalink
This deal i.e the Nucleear Deal may be good or possibly bad, but the way it has beeen bankrolled through the Parliamentary procedures is totally incorrect. Please read the teachings of Chanakya
The article apears to appeal for a culture that imposes itself on its followers and a security that should set the country free. However, connecting the recent events to the end of the civilization is to interpret the sighting of a cloud to the monsoon. A well read person would understand that 1) To be Indian is to embrace the different cultures. One only needs to understand that cultures come is pakages, not as isolated offerings. Some rift will have to be tolerated, out of which a new acceptable equilibrium will be reached. 2) India has survived worse before, it will survive again. 3) It may be fashionable to mourn the death of a civilization, but ultimately we all need to understand that a purpose of civilizations is search for improvement. Whatever may be the intention, quite a few of the statements here remain unsubstantiated, like so many other similar articles that are read daily. Please point to the sources of the assumptions, so that they may lend some credibility to the argument. While everyone agrees that what happened in the parliament was shameful, it is also true that one cannot hold the ruling party guilty until proven, to which this article alludes. In fact, a cynical but totally rational mind would question if the opposition MPs have actually had the entire cake, ate it and are showing the crumbles left behind.And lets not forget that any postponement would have harmed the UPA. Besides, if the ruling party paid, the opposition accepted. Still guilty?
Thanks Gautier for some good thought and reminding people to think and act,but then we cannot disconnect past to present and then present to future.As we beleave in karma and action past,present and future is making of our conscious decisions and actions under the curcumstances of the reference time,which can be appear right or wrong in hindsight.The whole humankind goes through a mix of process of infuences both intellectual and physical,while humanrace is advancing but it has not changed much from caveman except for form and sophestication of doing things intellectually and physically inferior. Nuclear deal benifits will take may more years and hardly make dent on power sector but it will build closeness to USA as it sees US better and fair than many others including few of the adversaries in neibourhood,definately this closeness will develop new equations to neutralise irritants may be at some price. In the present state to expect pristine value syatem to survive and flourish is lot to expect,it it that hindu culture has paid a price for being soft and aomodating to the point of self destruction.Economically and millitarily stronger India Can retain conscience and dharma and help weedout evil and barbarianism under different garbs. krishna
it s true we are losing indianness. but wat is indian ness exactly. We are not taught clearly. but we do learn from pancatantras. i was not taught vedas upanishads. i fed on european system of education a gift of our colonisers. British colonies are more prosperous than french colonies. See western africa, Indochine, madaagascar, french people know how to take but do not want to giveand when as an indian i ask whay they cannot give their technology they say first learn french. when i learnt french they said. speak french like french people. i started till 40 and still trying. then they said teach french . i m doing that also. now i m already 50 lost my power. i cannot do except tp teach french. and this willl carry on to next generations. and they are ruling me and will rule others morocco, algeria, niger egypt. but they will never give only take ideas from us. west is wicked. we are independant and we have chosen USA as partner because they are best till date. once they create trouble in india we will throw them.
It is one of the negative side-effects of retaining the casteist culture/civilization. The civilization whose byproduct is caste system is something to be ashamed of and should be called UNcivilization.(your comments: India is one of the few civilisations today which has managed -- albeit in a diluted manner -- to retain intact much of her culture and spirituality from the Vedic ages. )
would it be reasonable for the speaker to ascertain the facts about the bribery in a matter of 2-3 hrs no matter who are the bribed/bribing parties. It will also set a bad precedent. Tomorrow any MP would walk into the parliament with currency notes and expect the speaker to halt the proceedings.
RE:UNcivilization
by Kaushal Desai on Jul 28, 2008 11:59 PM Permalink
Hopefully, you are aware that caste system isnt the only contribution from hinduism to this world. In any case, it wasnt the caste system but its misinterpretation that you are projecting as a negative. First seek to understand, then open your mouth (or start using the keyboard!)
For some reason, many of us negate indianness, right down to its holy books and spirituality and our wonderful civilization handed over to us from time immemorial. By not imparting the most advanced of knowledge contained in the GITA, we are denying our future generations rich knowledge that takes millions of years to evolve. Having interacted with people from around the globe, I come back feeling what a great civilization ours is and what lessons it holds for the entire world, of which, perhaps the GITA occupies the centrefold. But we prefer to treat it as hindu philosophy and not what we can take from it for humanity. It is our bad luck and perhaps karma that we cannot appreciate what is in our hands and will perhaps realise only when we lose our civilization to modernity and western influence. I hope to god, that we do not have to witness this spectacle.
To many, there seems to be something very inferior about being Indian and its fashionable to denounce indianness or indian civilization. Correct me if I am wrong.
