A scrutiny of cross-voting indicates hardly 5% of those elected to the Lok Sabha defied their party whips. 95% stayed with
their respective parties. So may not be correct to paint all with the same brush.
But what is of concern is the hypocrisy of the Left and BJP.
- When a Congress MP defects to the BJP and cross votes - it is moral. - When 6 SP MPs cross-voted by defecting to the BSP, it is moral. - When Mayawati threatens to split SP vertically, it is moral. - When Jaswant Singh goes to Mulayam Singh with a proposal to topple the Government it is moral. - When Jaswant Singh goes to Mulayam Singh with a proposal to make him PM in exchange for votes for BJP's Presidential
candidate - it is moral - Poaching JDS and Lok Dal from the UPA to UNPA is moral - NDA offering CM of Jharkhand to JMM is moral - When Yediruppa buys 12 (6 independents, 3 JDS and 3 Congress) MLAs and makes 9 Ministers, it is moral.
Only when UPA responds in kind, it is immoral. It is this selectvity that smacks of hypocrisy
This Government is DICTATORIAL DEMOCRACY...Sonia's rule...she is the new-age Hitler in India...She can amend anything at will....Bow to the CZARINA guys....
There are lot of talks about 1 2 3 Agreement between India & USA and italmost led to the topple of Central Government.
What is 123 Agreement?
This is called 123 Agreement because this comes under USA 's Atomic Power Act Section 123.
see how India 's Sovereinty & Independence are pledged...
After this Agreement USA will supply all fuel, machinery / equipment & technology to India for producing Nuclear Power.
All these days from about 22 Nuclear Power Plants, India is producing power as well as Atom. It's a high security / secret that from where which is produced, how much is produced, where it is supplied, what research is being done with that, etc. to anybody. But if we sign this Agreement, we have to disclose these secrets and also agree to 14 of our Nuclear Power Plants to be under the scanner of International Atomic Power Organisation. The fuel utilised to produce Atomic Power can be recycled for reuse and this plant will be under direct supervision of IAPO.
If India does nuclear test, this agreement gets cancelled. But
a) USA will take back all the machinery / equipments / technology supplied to India thus far.
b) Those 14 plants will continue to be under scanner irrespective of the status of the agreement.
On the other hand, if any of the commitments given by USA is breached by them, then there is no clause for cancelling this agreement.
RE:what is 123 agreement?
by Proud Hindustani on Jul 25, 2008 02:52 AM Permalink
LISTEN LOUD AND CLEAR AMERICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVE POWER GENERATION SOURCES--EG. GREEN COAL TECHNOLOGY. India is blessed with huge areas of year round sunshine, wind and mountains for hydro. On the bio fuel front it is blessed with a plant jathropa which has 40% oil for bio diesel leaving corn in the dust.
If India shows patience it can get ALL the nuclear technology and fuel at its terms.
What we lack is assertive and competent Nationalist politicians. Be it any party they are ONLY focused on lining their pockets and power. NOT ONE of them is a martyr. Aapni maa ka dhood nehi peya hai.
RE:what is 123 agreement?
by Milind on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
USA can either hug India or slap India . India will no
India will not ask why are we hugged or why are we slapped. India cannot hug or slap USA for breach of agreement.
The most important requirement for India 's Economic Growth in the coming years will be the power & infrastructure. The argument put forth favouring the 123 Agreement says that we need Nuclear Power Production to be increased to meet the demand. Power Production in India Presently following are the figures:
Thermal Power 66%
Hydel Power 26%
Solar & Wind Power 5%
- Presently Rs.600 Crores are spent for producing this power.
Nuclear Power 3% - If this is to be increased to 6%, it requires additional Rs.50,000 Crores.
Naturally it will be wise to increase other 3 modes of power production rather than the expensive & dangerous Nuclear Power
RE:Will Indian law override US law?
by Guest on Jul 24, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
Smart man - valid que- The Hyde Act envisages India to jointly participate with the U.S. in a programme involving the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration to further nuclear non-proliferation goals. This goes much beyond the IAEA norms and has been unilaterally introduced apparently without the knowledge of the Indian government. In addition, the U.S. President is required to annually report to the congress whether India is fully and actively participating in U.S. and international efforts to dissuade, isolate and if necessary sanction and contain Iran for its pursuit of indigenous efforts to develop nuclear capabilities. These stipulations in the Act and others pertaining to the Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI), the Wassenaar Arrangement, and the Australia Group etc. are totally outside the scope of the July 18th Agreement and they constitute intrusion into India's independent decision making and policy matters. so the fight - I hope you got basics of it
What nuclear deal? Newspapers and TV channels in US don't even know this deal till time came for govt in BIGGEST DEMOCRACY in the world almost fell. In just published report India is ranked 160th in per capita income, one of the poorest countries in the world. Somehow people like Amar,MullaYam,Lalu,Maya,Abu Azmi can get their mark on people and India as slow moving can't get rid of them easy. Congress is giving false promises since last 65 yrs and have got us nothing but people still believe they will do something good one day, in comparison with developed nations. Even while Britishers were here for 125 yrs they pitied India and tried to keep some logic in gap between then India and developed nations. But they were right our own people are giving us worse and we believe them. Atleast when Britishers were here nobody could dare to take land like China did and even BDesh doesn't care hiding terrorists and killing BSF jawans. Alas our converted brothers Pakistan,BDesh,Afghanistan are still lagging behind India as they wanted a 'separate' home for 'development. Indian subcontinent already has 150 crores bodies and fast paced to have 200 crores. There will be water,electricity,roads,food in India one day as promised in 1947. Mindboggling.
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by Mohit on Jul 24, 2008 10:36 PM Permalink
The topic is "Government open to amending nuke law to scuttle Hyde Act" . Why are you talking about britishers , per capita etc. What is your point?
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by Guest on Jul 24, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
The point is ---- This is just another deal like others in 60 yrs which is being made a big thing but its to hide other failures. This deal in itself can be something good but not like so much tamashaa was made its just another promise like that will change life of Indians but its not going to. It should be a small matter of govt does to take care of people and not the only thing govt does in 5 yrs. This is happening for so long and gap betn Indias in general and developed nations is increasing. It can go on and on....
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by Mohit on Jul 24, 2008 10:52 PM Permalink
Indian Economic reforms was just another initiative taken by theis person way back in 1991. We are seeing the benefits of that decision now.
It did change the life of indians back then , and this deal will change the life of indians in the future. Developed nations are developed because they have always embraced new technology .
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by Guest on Jul 24, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
developed nations aredeveloped bcos of no of reasons--- They have good foreign polocies , they have strong group of friends , 2. At home they are sound with education,population control,industries,less corrpution, strong laws and revenue collections. Number of nations got independence in 40s or were destroyed in WW2and see where they are at now. I already said Nuclear Deal can be good but it should have been a small part of what govt does in general. So by doing this after 4 yrs of govt formation he means that wait for another 8-10 yrs to see these developments or we couldn't do anything in this tenure as we were palnning for future. Look where we are in population? Can it ever go back? If it rains for 1 month late we can't give water supply. No roads, no food. Load shedding is rampant or many places just don't have electricity. After doing/supporting 100 wrong things for 4 yrs(60 yrs) they want to get elected on 1 right thing. Indian newspapers wrote abt US firms making 100 billion or whatever US news media/public doesn't know/worry abt things which haven't happened. US is already for next step by making another deal with Pakistan to upgrade their F-16s which can't be used against Taliban but can be effectively used against India.
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 24, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
It was not done out of choice. But there was no choice and india had less then 1B $ in the reserve. They had to something to bring $$ at home, and w/o opening and doing reforms and inviting foreigners it was not possible. Forget not once again, Congress was not ruled by Gandhi family at that time. Fortunately it was out of the grip of Gandhis, and Rao was at the head. We see the difference in the same person as FM ( with way less powers ) and PM with immense powers. You in your right mind can not say that as FM this guy was much better then as PM. You see the fruits not because of Reforms done in 1991. since between 1991 and 1997 no foreign investors came to india. Its only after Pokhran II, India showed the world that it could use this Bomb as a deterant and that brought stability for India. And hence now the foreigners feel safe to invest in India then before. Its because of that Pokhran II we have this treaty too. But you would not give BJP any credit for this treaty but all goes to this puppet PM, isn't it? Its BJP who started the negotiation for the treaty too, congress finished it by compromising some big national agenda. BJP could have done that too if they were ready to compromise on those things. But they were not. They were confident that eventually we shall have the treaty w/o such stipulations - and there is always tomorrow. After all, this treaty is only going to solve 6% of the "current" energy need. after 15 years when its operational it would be just 3%.
RE:Keep fighting and wait for some DEAL to come true one day
by A J on Jul 25, 2008 12:25 PM Permalink
Get your facts rights. Lot of MNCs setup their shop in India during 1991-1993. Another point about world perceiving India as safe only after 1998 is laughable.
ignore AllRight he is not in his senses or is a Porkistani Pls get lost we will solve our internal matters of whatever the land we have left you can shiiiiiiit in remaining given to you
RE:shhitttty
by All Right on Jul 24, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
Knickerwallahs are incapable of civilized debate was evident even during the Parliamentary debate. UPA speakers conducted themselves with dignity and made all the best speeches. The BJP bluffed and was caught, speeches were like those above - abuses, insults etc proving that the party and its supporters belong to the lumpen elements of society.
Please keep on posting messages like this - let readers have an insight to the cultural profile of BJP supporters
RE:shhitttty
by Rationalist on Jul 24, 2008 11:25 PM Permalink
Look who is talking.As if you are the authority to certify who is civilized & who is not? As per you being corrupt behind and slavery is civilized behaviour.Right?
RE:shhitttty
by A J on Jul 25, 2008 12:30 PM Permalink
Dont get blind with your opinion. You can get a better insight if you try to view the issue from others view point also.
RE:shhitttty
by Mahesh on Jul 24, 2008 10:28 PM Permalink
If you call yourself a civilized person then that in itself is a proof that you are a mental case.
RE:shhitttty
by guru on Jul 24, 2008 10:18 PM Permalink
whatever u say, u can't change history its like Maths or science proven with facts, though they are my people I feel ashamed that Congress has may be unkowingly and foolishly have brought us to the point of no return and baharwalls like u support them so that more things can get worse...but I can imagine some arab must have tortu......... red somebody in ur......
However, a scrutiny of cross-voting indicates hardly 5% of those elected to the Lok Sabha defied their party whips. 95% stayed with their respective parties. So maybe it is not correct to paint all with the same brush.
But what is of concern is the hypocrisy of the Left and BJP.
- When a Congress MP defects to the BJP and cross votes - it is moral. - When 6 SP MPs cross-voted by defecting to the BSP, it is moral. - When Mayawati threatens to split SP vertically, it is moral. - When Jaswant Singh goes to Mulayam Singh with a proposal to topple the Government it is moral. - When Jaswant Singh goes to Mulayam Singh with a proposal to make him PM in exchange for votes for BJP's Presidential candidate - it is moral - When Yediruppa buys 12 MLAs and makes 9 Ministers, it is moral.
Only when UPA responds in kind, it is immoral. It is this selectvity that smacks of hypocrisy
A good analogy is a woman seduces you and then shouts rape with an ulterior motive. That is entrapment. This is what Advani's knatak was all about. That's the reason why it is such a cheap trick
It is different from a man raping a woman. Capturing on tape a man threatening to rape a woman is sting. e.g. Bengaru Laxman demanding and accepting wads of notes.
We do know what the tape contains. Even Arun Jaitley has not seen the tape. Not even Advani. CNN-IBN may have done a sting on BJPs knatak to entrapment. The last laugh maybe on Advani. Perhaps that is why Advani was captured on TV appearing so distraught while votes were manually counted.
My sources tell me that the BJP expected CNN-IBN to telecast the tapes so that the Trust Vote gets delayed.
When it failed to materialise, BJP panicked not knowing the motives of CNN-IBN. They thought occured to them that it could be that they who had been the object of CNN-IBN and not Amar Singh. To pre-empt such an eventuality, there was a need to condition public minds. So the tamasha we saw was actually a contingency plan that the BJP hasitly drew up at the very last moment
Yes everyone should be upset of corruption. So why not ask BJP's CM in Karnataka to quit too. He bought 12 MLAs (Independents & Opposition parties) made 9 of them Ministers in addition to giving them crores of rupees financed by the Bellary mining mafia who has another 4 cabinet berths
RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by guru on Jul 24, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
What the hell? Why BJP CM had to buy 12 bodies? Can u pls name them? Congress was the only organised party during 1947 they have taught all other parties cheating and corruption. They have a long 60 yrs history of horse trading in every state in India. Whatever shameless acts other parties do congies have done it before over and over and over and others have to do it like there is no way out. You need to stop bullshitting......
RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by Ram Aud on Jul 24, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
It's true 2 congress MLA's and 3 JD-S MLA's jumped to BJP and took oath as ministers in Karnataka's BJP govt. You better know facts before bullshitting..
RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by Guest on Jul 24, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
somebody here just said 12, and as far as I know there was no cross voting required to save govt as the majority was proven...but point not to prove BJP has not done it before there are instances like Kalyan Singh did in UP having some 90 ministers or something ...but its all started and taught by whom in last 60 yrs? The way it works nowadays is -- if u don't know how to do cheating ur a fool..and others have to do it like there is no way out.
RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by Rationalist on Jul 24, 2008 09:57 PM Permalink
Then what about other MPs who have actually voted for UPA sitting in BJP. Is that also entrapment. And for your kindest information Yediyurappa admitted MLAs to his party after they submitted their resignation and after winning trust vote. That was not cross voting.Not like dogs who bite their master like Sangliyana & co.They should also have resigned & then voted for UPA.
RE:RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by Rationalist on Jul 24, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
Selective intelligent people trying to fool others here.
RE:There is a difference between entrapment and sting operation.
by Babeeta Jain on Jul 24, 2008 10:01 PM Permalink
All Right is a stinky stupid ediot with cow dung in his brains. He also writes all shit in cricket columns. I hate this guy.
What nuclear deal? Newspapers and TV channels in US don't even know this deal till time came for govt in BIGGEST DEMOCRACY in the world almost fell. In just published report India is ranked 160th in per capita income, one of the poorest countries in the world. Somehow people like Amar,MullaYam,Lalu,Maya,Abu Azmi can get their mark on people and India as slow moving can't get rid of them easy. Congress is giving false promises since last 65 yrs and have got us nothing but people still believe they will do something good one day, in comparison with developed nations. Even while Britishers were here for 125 yrs they pitied India and tried to keep some logic in gap between then India and developed nations. But they were right our own people are giving us worse and we believe them.Alas our converted brothers Pakistan,BDesh,Afghanistan are still lagging behind India as they wanted a 'separate' home for 'development. Indian subcontinent already has 150 crores bodies and fast paced to have 200 crores. There will be water,electricity,roads,food in India one day as promised in 1947. Mindboggling.
Dear India The N-deal, surrendering of our sovereignty. Signed on the black day All political parties are out with scam, criticisms, blames etc. More subjects will be born and die out to keep the people busy Like the story of dog and the bone Very soon the N-deal will be signed by our “respected PM”. To get nuclear energy after a decade! Several discussions are over regarding project implementation. The agreements for it are ready to sign including LOANS. With intriguing clauses with far reaching consequences Limiting India's interference All shrouded in the word 'confidential' To be signed in the dotted lines. The congress has no say again. They have already collected the 'share'. In between, other political parties had the share, hope? The details could be read in due course via media or gossip? The whole drama will continue till all papers are signed. Looser? The dear nation- its sovereignty and independence. Gained through sacrifices of many PATRIOTS. Start flow of FDI -abundant The share market get a sudden boost Destined to stop when the FDI stops Feel of comfort in every field for a while.
RE:SAVE INDIA
by Gopal on Jul 24, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Dilly dallying by special interests Delay in project, warranting revision of project cost Prevailing leaders get the share, both sides No murmuring! Device mechanism to revise unit price according inflation No murmuring! Several excuses from treasury benches and allegations from opposition. Everything moves as per schedule. Uranium shortage, excuses, blame on world market Regular revision of unit piece depending on the price of Uranium Near end of Uranium supply, idling the plant Decommissioning of plants... Costing $3 Billions per year for 10 years for every plant. Some time in between the Indian financial structure crumble. The Government looses all controls, Inflation rise to unimaginable levels. Wish not happen! Excuses and blames..... God may protect us from radiation and terrorists .... ..... The individuals worked for the N-deal may disappear in between. Intelligentsia, NGOs, Non political organizations and individuals, think over The people demand, SAVE US!!
