This 'Statesman' did not have any concern about what is happening to the farmers who have come to a stage of commiting suisides. His neglect to this issue is surprising. His idea's have all been anty basic communities - farmers, labourers, small sclae industries etc. which is evident in these sectors destruction from 1990 onwards. He is the only one who plainly lied to the political parties and to the common public. During 123 issue, he acted contrary to what he said in Parliament, to Left Parties and others and to the public. He has directly or indirectly bribed MPs by money and by offering positions in Government to win Confidence motion!!! It is difficult to understand the greatness in "risking the government" for a single issue. It is actually ridiculous and shows arrogance and personal ego rather than country's interest. In the near future his real "statemanship" will come out. It will not be a surprise if it turns out that this "Statesman" was a puppet of western countries who wants a hold on India.
RE:bull shit
by sameer bhosale on Jul 24, 2008 11:38 AM Permalink
I agree with you.I think this socalled gentleman PM has shown statesmanship in purchasing MPs and saving this Govt which is full of selfish pseudosecular and antihindu politicians!
F the money can buy the lawmakers (MPs) --the law executers are small fry comparatively to be bought out at less amount, including IB and CBI and judges, with promises of powerful positions.
In the next year the current power bearers will rob the Indian treasury 10 folds over. So it is a wise investment.
ALL the BS in the present environment for nuclear deal is nothing more than political and money kickbacks and extremely shortsighted for India' welfare. The NEXT US government would have fought it more aggressively to look better than Bush's term. BE it Obama or McCain. $100 Billion is on the table.
A strategic alignment with USA is natural, it had to happen, regardless of Indira's fallout with Nixon/Kissinger. Congress had NO reason to be dictated terms by USA.
AS a PM I would have USA support India's seat as a permanent seat on UN security council, member of nuclear weapon state, and last but least equal member of G8 plus.
BUT alas you and me are stuck with corrupt politicians from Nehru downwards. They will sell their mother for money and power so to sell out Bharat Mata is NOT a surprise.
A revolution is not far away once the literacy level rises. Which it will. The NRIs are going to play a very important in this.
The NRIs MUST be allowed to vote. Dual citizen will allow this. NOT a PIO card to pay exhortation's fees just to visit India.
NRIs and their relatives and professional associates talk the same talk but unfortunately stay away from the "dirty" pol
RE:money
by Innovator on Jul 24, 2008 11:32 AM Permalink
This is a good question. This question has been disturbing the minds of all well-meaning persons through out history. The best example is given in the illustration of a policeman chasing a criminal. The criminal while fleeing is reciting the national anthem. Should the policeman stand to attention or continue chasing? This country is full of thieves chanting the national anthem. They themselves will turn back and accuse the policeman of violating the law. The policeman who catches the thief even when the thief is chanting the national anthem is a statesman. This is the answer.
RE:money
by Binu Mathew on Jul 24, 2008 11:27 AM Permalink
what happened to their former Party President accepting money on video,nothing came out of it not to forget bellary mafia......who is teaching who....
RE:money
by mariappan on Jul 24, 2008 11:35 AM Permalink
Mr. Binu, Dont talk crap, what bellary mafia are you talking. Are you in karanataka, if so just recollect how 8o mla's ditched devaraj urs overnight and joined congress to form the gundu rao government. Who was responsible for the byre gowda episode way back in 80's, the first instance of money being directly used to purchase mla's. you guys cant accept a bjp government but have no shame in running to the same bjp chief minister for favours be it the church or the wakf board.If you and your dinosaur dated idelaogical commies are so good, why is that all the educated and hard working malayalees are flocking out of kerala to other states and countries?
RE:money
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:25 AM Permalink
if an MP gets sold, then what type of a charactor he is and what type of a party he belonged to.... there are umpteem questions...you need to answer..
RE:money
by RK on Jul 24, 2008 11:31 AM Permalink
Of course he is bad and he must be punished. But what if a party president is involved in such crime? Sonia and Amar singh have done this and then pressurized CNN/IBN.
1. UPA has to live with CMP as agreed by all parties of that group. It is ignored by congress.
2. Communists should have participated in the ministry and accepted some responsibility in the implementation of their CMP list. They remained as saints and later become preachers and there after dictators to PM. PM is forced to say 'bonded slave to them'. You should take it very seriously.
3. All parties with no exception have become disintegrated groups with many inner circles of self interested groups. So ditching party is simple and painless activity.
4. Money matters in many ways. All are after it. Whether to win an election or retain their seat/position all are resorting to evil activities.
5. Where are common people with powerful voting weapon? They can be tamed with slogans and simple lies and liquor drops.
THE PM IS EASRNESTLY A GENUINE AND HONEST PERSON, HOWEVER THE WAY LEFT PARTIES HAVING SAY IN TWO STATES ONLY HAVE PUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY ON RANSOM. WHY NOT THEY CONDEMN CHINA FOR VIOLATING INDIA'S BORDER, WHY NOT THEY ASK CHINA TO RETURN OUR OCCUPIED TERRIORITY, THEY WILL NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CHINESE CHAMCHA. BJP AND MORE OVER ITS LEADER ADVANI IS MOST SHRUD, CUNNING, COMMUNAL MAN. I AGREE WITH PM THAT AS A HOME MINISTER ADVANI WAS A TOTAL FAILURE TERRORIST CALLING / KNOCKING ON THE DOOR OF PARLIAMENT, THEY RELEASE THE TERRORIST IN AFGHANISTAN, ADVANI ON ONE HAND TALK ABOUT RAM TEMPLE ON THE OTHER HAND HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN DEMOLISHING BABRI MASJID, ATTACK ON GOLDEN TEMPLE SHERR COMMUNAL PERSONALITY. WHEN ADVANI FAILED AS HOME MINISTER HOW CAN HE BE A GOOD PM. JAGO INDIAN JAGO AND THROW THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE BJP LEFT FROM POWER
RE:THE TRUST VOTE
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
no point accusing the PM or his party, because they were elected by the public of India with majority.... if we need a change, let us show that in the next election...
RE:THE TRUST VOTE
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
we will see the difference in Government/Governance in the balance tenure of UPA (minus the LEFT)... see the market how it reacted on the stability of Government.. Now it will be the endeavor of the UPA to show some good work to woo the voters towards them again int he next general elections... Liberalition would be on its way again.
RE:THE TRUST VOTE
by PAL on Jul 24, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
How can you say PM is honest and principled? PM said on day that his government is not one point agenda regarding nuclear agreement. otherday he said he is going to risk his government for one point agenda nuclear deal. this is not a statemens principle. So he lost his credibility.
Its unfortunate we have PM's like Neharu and Manmohan who are worst in moral values. by bribing he won the number game only and murdered Democracy. But who cares.
its really bringing shame to the nation, though I am not against the deal, but against such corruption and puppet PM.
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
sir, it seems you know little about Manmohan (do not compare him to Nehru, please) and Indian democrazy... do you know one thing, 80% of the parliament know very well that the nuke deal is good for India (though US wanted it more than INdia), but somehow wanted to topple the government for political gains (and their party's stupid idologies, BJP to oppose Congress,Left to oppose US, BJP cannot be with LEFT, etc etc.) - ultimately, God saved Indians from an early elections and provided with a deal of long term benefits (it depends on how we make use of this deal for our benefit)
RE:RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by RK on Jul 24, 2008 11:18 AM Permalink
Why should BJP support Congress? They aren't against nuclear deal but they are not obliged to support government as they are in opposition.
RE:RE:RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
this is hypocrazy...that means even is a deal is for the betterment of the country, just being in opposition you don't support...what is opposition...are they not elected members of the parliament to govern this country... I pity on your way of thinking...
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by Sameer K on Jul 24, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
I agree, there is no comparison between Neharu and MMS. but both proved unfortunate for the nation. About deal - I already said we are not against the deal but the way it handled if deal is so good then why congress afraid to tell the details. We want deal at keeping equal status not like a deal between master and slave, its about self respect. Ok now you talks about ideology tell me what is the ideology behind bribing the money.
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
Ajay... this was theoritically not a trust vote..this was a Vote in favour of the Nuke deal... just leave it at that. if BJP being a national party, were concerned about the people of India and the consequences of toppling the government and early elections, would have either abstained from voting or osupported the deal per se.
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by mariappan on Jul 24, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
Mr Mohanty, No issues with MMS winning the trust vote, but the same MMS should try to take a high moral ground and criticise others. In the name of survival MMS has used certain tricks of the trade so be it, but let him and his party not quote morals and ethics when others also do the same.
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by SANJEEV KUMAR on Jul 24, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
What about Communist parties promising PM-position to Mayawati in case gove falls. Is that not bribe of highest order ??
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by KRISHNA on Jul 24, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
What about BJP's bribe for buying congress MLA's in Karnataka. That is for stable govt ???? .
RE:Shame on such PM MoneyMohan Singh
by Chanakya on Jul 24, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
forget about political parties and ideologies... when it comes to the Nation, think positive and say whether the deal is for betterment or not. Atleast gather some more knowledge about the deal before commenting on public blogs.
