Whatever happened in the parliament and outside parliament in the last 2 days, it was the biggest defeat of democracy ever.
Our 541 parliamentarians(including the PM) did not leave any stone unturned to tell the world that we are among the most uncivilized, unmannered and uncultured people in the world. Mr Manmohan Singh, the gentleman, stooped to use the worst methods and criminals to win this trust vote. He took support from convicts for murder, rape, anti national activities to win this trust vote. Everyone saw how the Govt bought out the speaker who sided with the government for two days.There will be astounding compromises in the coming days.
Mr Singh may consider him the winner, Democracy is the loser.
RE:Congress won, but democracy lost
by raghvendra singh on Jul 22, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
I totally disagree. However, doubtless some of our MPs don't deserve to be in Parliament, and it is for the young generation to ensure this in future. As for Barrister Somnath Chatterjee, he was a treat to watch, being in his elements and he has set an example for future Speakers!
RE:Congress won, but democracy lost
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 22, 2008 10:06 PM Permalink
Who compelled Dr. Singh to impose emergency in Bihar after the state election over horse trading charges just 2 years back? If he had any morals - he shouldn't be doing what he did, despite left pulled the support. You may whine in his favor - a wrong is a wrong. It was wrong to lie to the president, while on foreign soil, and cry about the worst kind of horse trading - and do the same when he is in shit like position. By asking and taking the favors from the Jailbirds he lost his reputation... Its upto you - man - to accept it or not! World Saw It, and History will be written stating that.
RE:Congress won, but democracy lost
by dev singh on Jul 22, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
Who ever did it, has done a great favor to India. Now everybody knows that he is not a gentelman politician. he has now matured into a corrupt and seasoned neta.
RE:Congress won, but democracy lost
by Partha Choudhury on Jul 22, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
You must be out of your mind... Chidambaram was right... there indded are some people who do not want India to overtake China!
For the Communists and for China, it is a sad day. However, it is a victory for India. The Left must tell the people which country they are fighting for. Do they want to destabilise India or send India back to the Medieval Ages without power? Or do they feel that a power-sufficient India may take the reins of the world someday. The Nuclear deal as is portrayed is not beneficial as beneficial to India as it is to USA. I am sure that any party in power will see to it that USA does not make India do its bidding everytime. India has enough leaders of strong morale and patriotism to see that the country comes first everytime. The Left is paranoid. Rahul Gandhi may be pushing things a bit too far when he says that we should not fear the unknown. But, in this times of resurgence of ideas and capatalism, India cannot go back to colonial mentality. The time has come when India should shine. And it can. I wish the Left sees it and contributes to it growth and success. Even in the Left, I believe that there are many 'real' leaders who heave a sigh of relief that India has survived - the Left/Chinese onslaught.
RE:Great Day for India
by chandra kant on Jul 22, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
First of all Mr & Mrs KARAT shud take refuge in China where their hearts belongs. After such a defeat i am surprised how he can think of living in India.
They knew their decision was rash. They took umbrage under Mayawati along with some other parties (who played side kick to her purely with their personal agenda). Losing the trust vote is a slap on face for the opportunistic politics. Public will do well to teach them a lesson next time in election. Meanwhile, Congress should go ahead to complete any further progressive reforms that will benefit the country and public in general.
RE:Flop show of Leftists
by raghvendra singh on Jul 22, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
Yes, without benefit of the Left they can now do what they were so far restrained from carrying out, and towards progress. It is for their survival in the shortcoming elections. Mayawati-Communist combine: :)
BEWARE Tamil film comedians you film carrier will be DOOMED.Prakash Karat, A.V.Bardan,D.Raja,and other host of LEFT Leaders are coming to act in Tamil movies.Vadivel Doomed,Vivek Doomed,Goundamani Doomed,senthil Doomed,Dhamu Doomed,Charlie Doomed,Vyapuri Doomed ,Karuna's Doomed,you will be out performed by these leaders.For the past 3 years these leaders talked about this nuclear deal as against people,and against the wishes of majority of MP'S.Now the majority MP'S has clearly said that they are for this nuclear deal.(I humbly request Left Leaders to accept the result in good spirit and not to tell this is bought victory and all other things.If the trust vote is defeated you would have said this is Victory for the democracy and all other things.so please now also say this is also victory for democracy and the majority MP'S wish should prevail).Cinema comedians please look after some other field for survival as these LEFT leaders are expected any time into your field.You all will be be DOOMED in a single stroke .Please don't get offended this is because of Prakash Karat DOOMED Phobia. .NETT RESULT CPM IS DOOMED.
It is a great day for Sonia, MMS, Mulayam, Lalu, Pawar, P Chidambaram, Karunanidhi, Amar Singh etc, under whose rule, so many MPs were openely traded like animals. Earlier during PVN Rao, only a few MPs were bought. This time murderer MPs from jail were given hero's welcome for the trust vote.
Commies did not ask for any ministry, even when they started supporting 4 yrs ago, unlike other supporters. They r definitely not corrupt and opportunists like others. Just blindly criticising them is again bad.
Had real Gandhi been alive, he would hv gone on hunger strike and died, as present day politicians would not hv listened to him.
This is the second consecutive Congress govt to hv won by buying MPs, first was by PVN Rao now it is by MMS / Sonia.
RE:Murder of democracy
by pjothilingam on Jul 22, 2008 09:57 PM Permalink
My message to commies:you have proved that you cannot be bought with money to change your deeply held principles.In India, martyrs are never really adored, only lip sympathy is paid to their sacrifices;it is always the case of winner taking it all
RE:Murder of democracy
by SwordFish on Jul 22, 2008 10:17 PM Permalink
Cry baby cry... The government should do one thing - Never give the power generated from nuclear energy to Bengal and Kerala. The only thing that left does is that oppose anything that comes from America and embrace anything that comes from China even if they grab land and wage war. Wonder why Commies keep quiet when the Chinese encroached our country and when they claim Arunachal is their territory.
Most of the discussions are emotional outbursts screwing Karat. Answer the 2 basic questions
1. How much of our energy needs would be served by the Nuclear deal?
2. How old is the so called "latest technology" being offered to us?
Ans 1 : 6% of our energy need in 2020. So much ado about just 6% - thats it!
Ans 2: 2 of the reactors being offered by US are 40 year old. Is 40 year old reactors latest technology?
Bottomline: Congress fooled the nation. The guys who are using foul emotive language in this forum - should calm down and think - how badly had congress fooled the nation.
The nuke deal is good if it addressed at least 20% of our energy need. The nuke deal is good if we get the latest technology - we are getting none of this.
RE:Use your heads
by Girish Rao on Jul 22, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
here are three questions for you 1) Do you have all the figures of all the avaliable renewable and non-renewable resources available to India now and in the future
2) Are you for or against Nuclear deal and give reasons for both
3) Did the government say nuclear energy will be the only source of energy India will pursue in future
RE:Use your heads
by Ram Sharma on Jul 22, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
Congress has diverted peoples' attention from real issues by hurrying up the n deal.
RE:Use your heads
by S Shrikanth on Jul 22, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
Mr Boon, reaching to 6% in 12 years is 0.5% a year, that means to reach 50% will take 100 years. That also with 40 year old reactors sold to India:-;
You are day dreaming, fooling yourself. Manmohan Singh has fooled many people and you are the one.
RE:Use your heads
by Boon on Jul 22, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
If we generalise growth by annualising how you are doing, then Infosys/RIL etc would not have the growth what they have achieve. Once you achieve 0.5%, next year the aim will be for 1%, that growth multiplies. You are the one getting fooled by opposing change. Change especially on strategic matters is a must, one should encourage otherwise you will also become Khadoos like commies or Devagowda.
RE:Use your heads
by Rajunov Singh on Jul 22, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
Indians love to be fooled all the time. What about the commies who had been fooling the bongs and mallus?
RE:Use your heads
by A P on Jul 22, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
Nuclear deal will give enough fuel for firing thorium(we have largest thorium reserves in the world) reactors, which in long term will free the country from foreign fuel needs. No nuclear deal, no thorium reactors and no electricity for your descendants.
We have to really think long term for the progress of our country
RE:Use your heads
by Boon on Jul 22, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
I have a question, If we achieve 6% successfully by 2020, can we make it 50% in 2050 rather than having nothing? Correct me if iam wrong.
Why sad day for democracy? It is sad day for you commies as your dream of becomming Stallin of o India is shatterd.And reports of bribery and horse trading by whom? Is there no mention of name of Bahenji therein. Mr. Karat it is better for you to take some rest for somedays in Russia or China. Better luck next time.
RE:sad day
by Ram Sharma on Jul 22, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
It is a great day for Sonia, MMS, Mulayam, Lalu, Pawar, P Chidambaram, Karunanidhi, Amar Singh etc, under whose rule, so many MPs were openely traded like animals. Earlier during PVN Rao, only a few MPs were bought. This time murderer MPs from jail were given hero's welcome for the trust vote.
Commies did not ask for any ministry, even when they started supporting 4 yrs ago, unlike other supporters. They r definitely not corrupt and opportunists like others. Just blindly criticising them is again bad.
Had real Gandhi been alive, he would hv gone on hunger strike and died, as present day politicians would not hv listened to him.
This is the second consecutive Congress govt to hv won by buying MPs, first was by PVN Rao now it is by MMS / Sonia.
Yes it is sure a sad day for Karats. The Comrades who boast themselves of ideology have to team with BJP and lost the right to talk about communalism any more.
True, it is sad about the turn of events that unraveled in the Parliament today but it also showed that BJP will go to any extent for its Political gains and Personal Prime Ministerial ambitions.
Yes, We are a maturing democracy and we need to go a long way to be a matured. We all need to be part of this process and not blame the politicians for the same.
Do not loose hope, we achieved a lot on the past 50 years and will a lot more in the coming 25 years. There will be hurdles but we will overcome.
RE:Yes a SAD day for KARATS!!!
by Ram Sharma on Jul 22, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
It is a great day for Sonia, MMS, Mulayam, Lalu, Pawar, P Chidambaram, Karunanidhi, Amar Singh etc, under whose rule, so many MPs were openely traded like animals. Earlier during PVN Rao, only a few MPs were bought. This time murderer MPs from jail were given hero's welcome for the trust vote.
Commies did not ask for any ministry, even when they started supporting 4 yrs ago, unlike other supporters. They r definitely not corrupt and opportunists like others. Just blindly criticising them is again bad.
Had real Gandhi been alive, he would hv gone on hunger strike and died, as present day politicians would not hv listened to him.
This is the second consecutive Congress govt to hv won by buying MPs, first was by PVN Rao now it is by MMS / Sonia.
RE:Yes a SAD day for KARATS!!!
by Critic Creative on Jul 22, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
Don't you smell something in this? Our PM in waiting talking about this from Yesterday and stage managing it today. Be little investigative.
Yes, I do agree it is 100% wrong if done the knowledge of the prime minister. I give him benefit of doubt as of now. If he is part of this stink then we have an other added to the count.
