This is a case of biased journalism especially as it came on the day of trust vote on N.Deal. US obviously has some un-resolved issues with Iran. But that does not mean they would place close relations with India at stake, especially when US companies stand to gain business worth billions after N.Deal. Iran has helped India in UN and also OIC many a time when Pakistan tried to raise issue of Kashmir. But then Iran has also voted against India on Kashmir issue once. So India need to take those steps which are in India's interest without bothering about such articles and also the domestic political compulsions of some political parties.
I am an Indian who is 1/2 Mughal and a scholar of Hinduism and Islamic history. I am surprised to see the lack of knowledge on part of those making ridiculous statements about everything on this board. Let me start by stating some basic facts. Pakistan and Iran are and have had and still have a fractured relationship. Pakistan is a Wahabi Militant State funded by Saudis. The Wahabis in Pakistan and Afghanistan under Taliban killed more Shia muslims than anybody else. Iran is a majority Shia Muslim state. Currently Saudis and Pakistan's ISI are hell bent on spreading their brand of religion amongst Indian Muslims who up untill now have mostly been regular Sunni Muslims. Ask any Iranian or Shia Muslim and they would tell you that they would be more comfortable trusting their life over to a snake rather than a Wahabi. This distrust and animosity lead Iran to ALWAYS speak in favor of India's arguemnt about Kashmir at the UN!!!! Iran is the last country that would want Kashmir to be annexed by Pakistan! The Aryans or the High Caste Pundits of Northern India are direct decsendents of Iranians (which literally in Persian stands for Aryan). Iranians being ethnocentric always considered Indians to be off shoots of their own race or their cousins if you may. These three HUGE factors have always and still seem to bind Iranians to Indians.
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by Vikas on Jul 22, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
Sunny Saddam Husain was controlling the Shia majority Iraq using military power. Iraq was the perfect counter balance for Iran.
America did a very foolish and unwanted trouble by attacking Iraq.
Now America has two Shia countries who have come together.
Only positive for America is that the predominantly Sunni Gulf countries hate and fear Iran and Iraq.
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by Vivek Harry on Jul 22, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
Shias trying to convert Sunnis and vice versa. There is no end to this. The time has come for Iranian people to realize that they have been fooled by Arab imperialists and give up this stupidity by apostasizing en masse.
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by kadavul on Jul 22, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Dude, seems you are more ignorant.. So-called Aryan invasion theory has been disproved long back.. dont try to project we are desendents of iranians.. rediff forum is not some madrassa, so dont preach wrong information..
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by Ahmad Nawaz on Jul 22, 2008 11:01 PM Permalink
I am sure you yourself worked on that particular thesis. Do you even know the definition of the word "theory." I am not from a madrassa. The term so-called does not need a hyphen. Just so you know proper grammer. If you attended a public Hindi medium school it is hard to know proper English. In your case your Hindi might be worst than English. Where did you go to school that you never learned to write properly? What do you do for a living?
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by Ashutosh Kole on Jul 22, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
Not many people go into such depth. People have a tendency to generalise everything and thus misinterprit the facts. In that sence, it is a very good responce from you. For a common Indian, Iran is just another Islamic country. But they do not take into account the differences Iran has with its own neighbours, the Saudis, the Iraqis, the Gulf countries and (what interests us the most) Pakistan. Political and cultural differences between Iran and Pakistan have always kept then going on different paths and having different views. Iran's record says that it has always supported India in many international forums, be it on Kashmir issue or Bangladesh war, US Security counsil seat. It has also been seeking a membership of SAARC, which Pakistan does not want for obvious reasons. Its is favour of India to have Iran within SAARC, and counter balance Pak influence. Iran has allowed only few foreign companies to exlpore its oil and gas reserves, and Indian companies (ONGC Videsh, Hinduja, RIL) are amongst them. People should take all this context into account before commenting and generalising everything.
RE:Ignorance about India-Iran relationship history!
by kishor Jagirdar on Jul 22, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
Well said my brother.I too get perturbed by these psudo experrts who make all kinds of irrational statements over this board without any rationality or reasoning with History.They just perceive things from the face value and become judgemental and breed more confusion.
Iran has great strategic importance in the Asian pilitics and the Indian govt is not losing an opportunity to see that the IRAN - RUSSIA-INDIA Axis is not compromised as Iran presents the most important bastion in the islamic world and the Wahabis have more isolated tribal culture with constant conflict as a way of life due to the historical past.
Indias friendship with Iran is deep rooted in history and can never be separated with the USA foriegn policy and their objectives.While personally I dont want Iran to access nuclear military growth but there is no harm in peaceful utilisation of the nuclear energy under strict international monitoring .
Even before the N deal is signed, America has started to dictate its foreign policy to India. It is a shame on the part of the congress that we are ready to sign such a treat that will make us a puppet in the habds of the yankees. Their own foreign policy has miserable failed over the years, be it Vietnam, Cold war, China, Pakistan, taliban, Afganistan, Cuba or Iraq. And now they want us to be a part of that? India, over the last 60 hears, have been carefully laying out its foreign policy, and quiet wisely, in its own interest, be it getting issential technology from the Russians, France and influncing Aferican countries. We are here to stay in South Asia. We cannot change who our neighbours are. We have to accept Pakistan, China, bangladesh, Nepal, Iran or Sri Lanka. We have to develop peaceful coexiestance with them, whether America likes it or not. Moreover, thinking pratically, we should get any fuel possible ASAP, and that means we should go for the Iran pipeline soon, regardless of what America and Isreal feels. Its in our own interest. US will sign the N deal treaty now to fill up the bank accounts of their (already bankrupt) companies, but in a few years they can as well deny the technology and the fuel. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED. People should remember that US was the one who sent us harmful weed grass along with the 'help' they gave us during the 1962 famine. That weed grass spoilt the crops for many coming years. Say NO TO THE N DEAL.
RE:Dont listen to selfish US. Be selfish yourself, India
by Spiderman on Jul 22, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Most intelligent article so far. Short sighted and short minded will take time to understand all this. Carry on my fiend you will complete your journey and they will stay where they are even after 50 years. Good Luck
RE:Dont listen to selfish US. Be selfish yourself, India
by kishor Jagirdar on Jul 22, 2008 12:11 PM Permalink
The N deal is really requires as now the renewable energy is also in trouble with global food crisis .Nuclear energy is a real substitute to make india strong and independent.We cant becoem a progress society with power shortage.Currently Bangalore city is the IT capital of INDIA .We are fromlast one week facing load shedding every two hours in Bangalore north and all the money int he world is not able to resolve the issue .What do you think can happen if we let go this opportunity ??? We will send India into dark ages as in next 30years the world would have gone a long way and we would be left behind as the consumption to electricty is growing 300 fold in next 10 years with hybrid transport depending on electricity
RE:America should JUST ANNOUNCE that it will attack Iran
by Spiderman on Jul 22, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
America has already announced 100 times during last 12 months but they are not fool like you and they know the consequences very well. They are struggling to recover from mistake commited in Iraq.
RE:RE:America should JUST ANNOUNCE that it will attack Iran
by Vikas on Jul 22, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
just an announcement, just on the day of Indian parliament elections. thats all I want.
RE:America should JUST ANNOUNCE that it will attack Iran
by Samir Moosa on Jul 22, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
Who gave you the authority to decide whom Muslims or any one should vote for? It seems you dont want the Nuclear deal to go through, then say only that much. If the BJP or rather the NDA comes to power, the deal will still go through. There isnt an iota of doubt about that. Muslims are not against the deal. You talk like Mayawati. India needs energy resources. Be it from Iran or USA doesnt matter. Muslims pay the same for electricity in India as Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, etc. do. So why should they oppose?? We want progress and industrialisation in our country as much as anyone else does. Because that will keep the common man's stove burning and thats the bottom line. So please keep your rhetoric and non-sensical logic at bay and lets pray that the UPA whales through this tide and the deal goes through.
RE:America should JUST ANNOUNCE that it will attack Iran
by Vikas on Jul 22, 2008 11:58 AM Permalink
Congress and UPA always used to give reservations, special funds, loans, finance to madrassas, etc to Mulsims only. They have maintained exclusive Mulsim votebanks, by abusing and scolding America as well as BJP.
As a voter I have the right to hope that Mulsims dont vote for Congress and UPA.
RE:America should JUST ANNOUNCE that it will attack Iran
by Samir Moosa on Jul 22, 2008 12:13 PM Permalink
Have you been accounting all the funds sent to various madrasas? As a voter you have right over your vote, not others'votes. As a tax payer (which you dont sound like), you can ask the government for the various projects it funds.
until recently we did not have any relations with israel. want to know why? just because we (nehru & co. i.e.) wanted to lick the azz of islamic countries with a thought that doing so would appease indian muslims and they would vote for congress. what a dirty way of thinking isnt it? alright, we can do business with islamic countries but NO NEED TO DANCE TO THEIR TUNE. lets do business on I'M OK YOU ARE OK terms. whether it is iran or saudi or any other islamic country. we dont at all need to go out of the way to please them!
RE:for appeasement of muslims we hv bn licking the azz of islamic countries
by RB on Jul 22, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
beause India was useless for Isreal before and now they have accidently shot thier own foot so they cannot find more foolish nation than India not even in Africa...
RE:for appeasement of muslims we hv bn licking the azz of islamic countries
by Indian on Jul 22, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
You jewish pus........- chu............ The whole world, including USA(Unlimited Scoundrela All) & shi...country called Israel have been sucking arabs di.....k for ages for oil & fuel. You to do the same
RE:for appeasement of muslims we hv bn licking the azz of islamic countries
by mumbai on Jul 22, 2008 11:31 AM Permalink
the first portion of your id is ramaining the second part of your id is cut. go ans ask them they are busy in making peace with hamas and hizbulla
RE:for appeasement of muslims we hv bn licking the azz of islamic countries
by RB on Jul 22, 2008 11:36 AM Permalink
peace in dreams only since 50 years.
RE:Screw Congress and UPA
by Jew Cock on Jul 22, 2008 11:25 AM Permalink
vikas do you work for lal(a) karim-katlu advani or afzal bihari vajifayee or begum shama swaraj??? you need to wake up from your deep slumber in which you are dreaming of pulling the muslim vote away from UPA. do you mean they will suddenly start voting fo the bogus and jobless party, eh?
RE:Screw Congress and UPA
by Raj on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
America will never attack Iran as it did not had courage to attack North Korea. America can only attacks weakest nations even then defeated in the end. Example -Vietnam.
RE:Screw Congress and UPA
by MalluBellu on Jul 22, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
American Presidents are bold in their action. They don't care for "India's STRONG CONDEMNATION" in their foreign policies. The American may say "*HUT UP" but in a different tone Like "we follow policies to protect the interests of Americans and its allies". They can twist the "A" to a big "Z" at their convenience.
RE:IRAN IS OUR ENEMY.......HELPER
by All Right on Jul 22, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
Yeah Varghese:
Now under Bush's directives you can go blah blah blah.... :-)
So much so for our independent foreign policy dream of Manmohan... not that any assurance from him was worth the paper it was written on...
Going by his current track record of what he says versus what he does, it won't surprise many if he starts speaking the same language as you do.... :-)
RE:IRAN IS OUR ENEMY.......HELPER
by mumbai on Jul 22, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
vergese you are geneous. but what to do? all these politicians do not understand your point. See this advani want to work for the welfare of muslims even if they dont vote for him. please try to teach these politicians. you have written all in capital letters. you become much emotional and angry it seems. please check you blood pressure. angry for such a long time is not good for health. Take a break.
why america is bothered about our relationship with iran. why dont they straighten Pakistan which is the root cause of all terrorism thruout the world. Did Amerca utter a word against Taliban or Pakistan wheen our IC814 was hijacked to Kandahar. We would like to be friendly with America by all means but they should also be sincere and act as friend when time comes. Thank you
RE:india-iran bilateral relations
by Anubhav Lal on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 AM Permalink
America should have stopped Jaswant Singh from carrying terrorists with him and begging in Kandhar to release the passangers !!!
America should have threatened to attack India if they release terrorists. Right? As you said America will attack only weak. and Jaswant Singh proved that we are weak.
RE:india-iran bilateral relations
by Bharat on Jul 22, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Had you and your family in that hijacked air-plane, I guess what your views would be.
Why should we worry about Iran at our own national interest's expense? Do they help us in any way? Do they support our claim against Pakistan? Do they sell us oil at cheap rate? Just because, 1000 years back, some Mughals came here to invade India from Iran, why should we try and protect them? Do Karat, Mayawati, Bardhan etc. who are bleating about Iran, think people are fools that we don't understand why they are raising the Iran bogey? Charity begins at home, not Tehran
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by prasad on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 AM Permalink
Ofcourse,the king Babar was from iran,who started the mughal empire in india.
RE:RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by RB on Jul 22, 2008 11:15 AM Permalink
prasad mandir jaker prasad kha tab yaad aajayega. Babar was from Kabul Afghanistan.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by prasad on Jul 22, 2008 12:01 PM Permalink
is tharah chote bath yaad karne ke liye prasad khanna tumara hi aadath hoga.but for me no need.dont think i am the only one who know every thing.bcus they are the big fools.i am working in dubai. here i get all the details about the old 'persepolis' city commonly known as persia.in that there is a brief explanation about the mughals also.first check this matter with some educated people,then comment.thank uu
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by John on Jul 22, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
Main to hoon, lekin shayad aap KG bhi pass nahin hai. The Mughals were from the Samarkhand-Persian ancestry. Which is the reason why persian was spoken in Mughal courts.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by jim on Jul 22, 2008 11:14 AM Permalink
well said john,
if hindustan is divide is cos of these mossies & people who want to please them!!!!
All indians should remember we were ruled by outside powers because of divisions(small kingdoms) now we are heading the same way. small states small parties.
PLEASE!!!! vote for BJP or CONG... they r bad but better than the small parties dat are holding the country to ransom
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by Indian on Jul 22, 2008 11:44 AM Permalink
yeah true mughals came from iran to invade Indian. same as Aryans INvaded India who are modern days BJP & RSS. So As history says All invaders who now Indians have equal rites.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by mumbai on Jul 22, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
John, your knowledge is history is fantastic. please keep it up. the best point of your knowledge is about oil market. Where did you learn this sir, what a marvelous ideas you have? you please develop your knowledge in this same direction. one day you find all the world is useless.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by Samir Moosa on Jul 22, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
Mughals from Iran. Also Aryans from Iran. I think Iran has a habit of invading Hind. But then the name Hind or Hindustan is also Iranian. Does that make us all Iranis by descent?? Coming back to current times. Iran currently is the largest producer of gas in the world and the second largest producer of crude oil in the world. They have reserves not only on the Persian Gulf side but also the Caspian region. Plus their political clout in the Middle East is so great specially in the oil producing areas, that messing with Iran would be a big mistake. America has already attacked Iran, through Iraq in the 80's and we all know the result of that warfare. Saddam was lent nearly $30 billion by America through Saudi & Kuwaiti channels and still Iran is intact and Saddam is no where. Dont under estimate them. They are very friendly with India and that is India's luck. But they have already shown the world that even thinking about attacking them can send the world into turmoil (Oil prices have trebled in the last 8 months). As of the moment Americans are trying to woo Iran and they desperately wanted negotiations last week. We will see a surge in American endeavours in the coming times. Iran - India pipeline is as necessary for India as is the nuclear deal. Both are India's right and we shall have it. No matter who is upset. We will ultimately be paying for both from our pockets.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by RB on Jul 22, 2008 11:13 AM Permalink
John the fake first read history then comment.U need to go back to school to complete your education.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by JB on Jul 22, 2008 10:57 AM Permalink
Yeah..by digitally adding additional missile in the pics to show the successful launch !!
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by RB on Jul 22, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
fist see the photos with the smoke you can find it was real and west wanted to downplay so they made fake proaganda.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by Manoj M on Jul 22, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
Lt them protect their country, why should we protect theirs by supporting them? They never supported us in any of the OIC meetings on Kashmir.
RE:What is our connection with Iran?
by Indian on Jul 22, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
yeah mughals invaded India-modern days' indian muslims, Same as aryans invaded India-modern days' BJP & RSS & sangh pariwaar. All the invaders are now Indians rite john chuuu...?
RE:No need of talking bullshit Government has made already clear they will sign deal with US but stong relation with Iran will always continue.
by JB on Jul 22, 2008 10:58 AM Permalink
And that made you happy or you need something more in the favour of Iran !!
RE:No need of talking bullshit Government has made already clear they will sign deal with US but stong relation with Iran will always continue.
by mumbai on Jul 22, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
it is not a matter of happiness. cautioining. dont wave the tail. otherwist the tail wont be there to wave again. i hope you understood.
