Siks need to be unified to fight against such culprits. I am shocked that sikhs are being killed in a state where sikhs are a majority.Govt is saving this rapist/killer for few votes, sikhs needs to get together to uproot such evil who is hiding behind walls under govt protection and raping/killing innocents
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by Guest on Jul 19, 2008 08:26 AM Permalink
He is born into a sikh jat family. There are many sikhs in the Dera. Mostly they are of the lower classes, and that is the core issue here. It is widely believed that these lower classes supported the congress against the SAD in the elections.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by IMPARTIAL on Jul 19, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
Guest, Your comments are justifying the mushrooming of religions and religious sects.
Who were the sikhs of gurus ? Strong majority of them were lower caste and working class hindus including Panch Piaras of tenth guru and Bala and Mardana of first guru.
Who are majority of chri.... in India and why ????
If the people are looked at as "lower caste" and "upper caste" in any religion, sect or organisation then divide is imminent whereby these sect leaders keep running their "shops".
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by speculator on Jul 19, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
Rajvinder I say u take care of those cowardly Hindus in your community.They are causing all ur problems.Punjab Sikhs are great but Punjabi Hindus are super cowards who hide behind them.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by congo on Jul 20, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
Stop bragging about bravery of Sikhs. In Mumbai-'phut gai thi sikhon ki' when Shiv Sena objected to the Sikhs' Hooliganism after that episode with Dera Baba GRRS. In Mumbai, so called Sikh leaders did not delay a day before they apologised on TV media.
IN PUNJAB YOU CLAIM BRAVERY BECAUSE YOU ARE MAJORITY . AND BLAME HINDUS SUPER COWARDS, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN MINORITY.
This shows that definition of Bravery of Sikhs varies with their strength.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by R A on Jul 19, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
Speculator, even if you try to misguide any community, it doesn't change the very facts and can't resolve the problem. The need of time is to let them evaluate the problem and brainstorm the reasons behind the problem. I can't understand Punjabi Hindus or this hindus or that hindus.....Hindus are Hindus....
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by IMPARTIAL on Jul 19, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
Ravinder, Being majority or minority does not make any difference nor sense.
Does your post mean that it is legitimate to kill a minority community.
If not you, your family and some intellectual sikhs, all the remainig people of your community have watched,enjoyed,legitimised and supported the killing of hindus in punjab.
I was very much in punjab during that period. COMMON PEOPLE USED TO ASK "WHAT IS THE SCORE" ? Which meant ,how many hindus are killed today.
All the sikhs of punjab must read the comments of Mr Congo below and beashamed of themselves. Mr Congo's post is the essence of your history, present and future.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by speculator on Jul 19, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
Why should sikhs be ashamed.I have interacted some of these Punjabi Hindus and even though I am not from south the disparaging opinion they have about people from south always made me wonder where is the sense of one people, being part of one country one great culture is.Even I heard from these Punjabi Hindus it's better to break up the country.At least Sikhs are honest, these Punjabi Hindus deserve a kick in their butt.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by R A on Jul 19, 2008 08:56 AM Permalink
Rajivinder, one need to understand the real reason why sikhs are against him. Its not because he is killer. If this is the criteria then Bhindrawala is also in the same category whose photo u decorated in the gurudwara. The real reason is that his sect is attracting more and more sikhs and you are afraid of it. You don't wanna see the strength of your religion trimming like this. Why sikhs are going to his sect, u need to ask this question to ur leaders.....There must be some flaw in ur system (not religion). Govt is obligated to protect all his citizens no matter if he is rapist/killer. Constitution will take care of this but the way sikhs are handling this issue by taking the law in there hand and terrorising the general public is not correct. At the same time everyone shud have religious freedom. Why sikhs don't allow them to do naam charcha, u know better....but in my views, it shudn't be. This incident also occured bcoz sikhs went there to stop the naam charcha whereas constitutionally, they dont have any such right. And unfortunately, the incident took ugly turn and one person lost his life.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jul 19, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
I fully agree with you Sikhs are leaving sikhism for Dera because of flaws in Sikhism and these people are reacting violently to that.
My advice to sikhs is to come back to Hindu fold and to the castes to which they actually belong so that the system established by our ancestors a million years ago can be further extended.
RE:Sikhs need to unite
by speculator on Jul 19, 2008 11:32 AM Permalink
"ancestors a million years ago can be further extended " The planet was still cooling one million years ago and Neanderthals were non-existent let alone homosapiens.Which ancestor u r talking about?? T-rexes??
THE DERA CROOK IS ANOTHER CONGRESS CREATION.. IT JUST REMINDS ONE HOW CONGRESS CREATED BINDRAWALLA ...TO TRY TO DESTROY THE AKALI PARTY....THEIR DIRTY TRICKS SEEMED TO BE WORKING AT 1st BUT THEN EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AFTERWARDS...
RE:tiger200002
by congo on Jul 19, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
Abey Tiger ho ya Geedar, You Sikhs have nice excuse of blaming Congress for Bhindranwala. It was YOUR whole hearted support to that crook murderer in the garb of Sant, which nurtured him. It was your support to that killer of Hindus, which made him attractive to any political party.
IT WAS YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH STARTED THREATENING THEIR OWN NEIGHBOURS (HINDUS)WHEN THEY WERE RIDING THE HEIGHT OF EGO TRIP during Sikh militancy.
YOU are bloody hypocrites. I have been witness to all the happiness on your faces, when every morning there used to be news in the papers ,"........hindus killed in a bus / train / in a market". Those days you felt the safest and the most powerful.
YOU ARE NO LESS THAN TALIBAN. YOU FEEL IT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT TO ATTACK ANYONE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.
You keep blaming that Baba about wearing a dress like Guru Govind Singh, TELL WHERE IS THE RECORDED/DOCUMENTED IMAGE OF GURU GOVIND THAT SHOWS HIM DRESSED LIKE THAT. In the present time, only image which has became an accepted image of the Guru, is the one painted by late Sobha Singh. Can you give any other reference about the true image of the Guru???
You are behaving like Muslims - without reading Satanic Verses asking for head of Salman Rushdie.
ACTUAL MATTER IS THAT SO CALLED LOW CASTE SIKHS ARE JOINING THE DERA JUST LIKE THEY WERE DOING WITH NIRANKARI SECT. you cant tolerate that- that is the kick to your BLOODY INFLATED EGO.
RE:Who are Deras
by TIGER MAN on Jul 19, 2008 05:05 AM Permalink
NO DERA IS ANOTHER CONGRESS CREATION....>..THEY PLAYED THE SAME DIRTY TRICKS WHEN THEY CREATED BINDRAWALLLA....IN THAT EPOSODE EVERYTHING BACKFIRED AGAINST THEM AND THAT LED TO SIKH EXTREMISM...
RE:Who are Deras
by congo on Jul 19, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
Abey Tiger ho ya Geedar, You Sikhs have nice excuse of blaming Congress for Bhindranwala. It was YOUR whole hearted support to that crook murderer in the garb of Sant, which nurtured him. It was your support to that killer of Hindus, which made him attractive to any political party.
IT WAS YOUR COMMUNITY, WHICH STARTED THREATENING THEIR OWN NEIGHBOURS (HINDUS)WHEN THEY WERE RIDING THE HEIGHT OF EGO TRIP during Sikh militancy.
YOU are bloody hypocrites. I have been witness to all the happiness on your faces, when every morning there used to be news in the papers ,"........hindus killed in a bus / train / in a market". Those days you felt the safest and the most powerful.
YOU ARE NO LESS THAN TALIBAN. YOU FEEL IT IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT TO ATTACK ANYONE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION.
You keep blaming that Baba about wearing a dress like Guru Govind Singh, TELL WHERE IS THE RECORDED/DOCUMENTED IMAGE OF GURU GOVIND THAT SHOWS HIM DRESSED LIKE THAT. In the present time, only image which has became an accepted image of the Guru, is the one painted by late Sobha Singh. Can you give any other reference about the true image of the Guru???
You are behaving like Muslims - without reading Satanic Verses asking for head of Salman Rushdie.
ACTUAL MATTER IS THAT SO CALLED LOW CASTE SIKHS ARE JOINING THE DERA JUST LIKE THEY WERE DOING WITH NIRANKARI SECT. you cant tolerate that- that is the kick to your BLOODY INFLATED EGO.
I think the Sikhs are reacting too much to this , why are they attacking Dera people wherever they go, I mean the government does not take action against you does not mean you go and kill Dera followers
RE:I think Sikhs should chill down
by ABL Machine Tools on Jul 19, 2008 05:43 AM Permalink
Hey listen u idiot... u r a proud brahmin just coz of Sikhs....so hv sm respect for thm. ... ok .... stop barking....
RE:I think Sikhs should chill down
by Guest on Jul 19, 2008 07:04 AM Permalink
sikhs and proud brahmin ... no connection @ all ... sikh pretends that they protected country from muslims ... look @ indian grography and history ... muslims always won and they crossed punjab N number of times to win even delhi ... not sure why punjabis r acting like brave ... total drama ... they never had an empire in india either ... just ruling small area like punjab ... doesn't make them brave ... if that's case ... 90% of indian communities qualify under the same ...
RE:I think Sikhs should chill down
by congo on Jul 20, 2008 01:44 PM Permalink
I tell you the reality of this so called 'bravery' and Pride Sikhs. They are just cashing on their looks that makes them look ferocious and dangerous. Inside they are as Phattua as any other human being. They meow when they are in minority, they bark when they are in majority.
RIP THIS LABEL OF 'MARTIAL KAUM; ETC. All this is a fraud by the community to survive and flourish in this practical world. Nothing else.
RE:I think Sikhs should chill down
by Bharat Bhakta on Jul 19, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
If you search "map of India, 1760, at time of Clive" you will see the map which shows the maratha empire.
RE:it is a congress ploy........b'cause arminder lost in punjab
by TIGER MAN on Jul 19, 2008 05:08 AM Permalink
YEP YOU ARE 100% RIGHT..THIS SAME ARMINDER HAS FOLLOWERS IN SIMRANJEET SINGH MANN ETC... BUT THIS SAME ARMINDER WAS ONE OF THE 1st TO SUPPORT BINDRAWALLA..ETC...
I am neither Dera nor Sikh supporter. But I see sikhs getting too much behind Dera followers and their leader. He did sth wrong and then apologized. Why drag it for so long? His body guard killed a sikh, but then it was them who attacked him in a group. Here also a sikh got killed, but it was they who first attack.
