We are a strong country and we must see our interest. We are not pro chinses, Russia or US. We stand onw our own and this decision is ok in all respect.
The nuclear offer of the US is not a friendly gesture to India as the Indian media is trying to portray but a process of surrender for India regarding its nuclear energy and weapons programme. If India buys nuclear power plants from the US, these would be under full-scale inspection of the IAEA, thus India cannot divert anything from these plants for the defense services. India will not get the reprocessing plant, without which it cannot manufacture nuclear weapons. If India buys not from the Russians, they would be reluctant to help India in future regarding missiles, rockets, and nuclear fuel enrichment programme.
Thus, gradually India nuclear weapons programme will disappear. India"s efforts to develop missiles and rockets would be affected adversely too. Thus, India would be much less powerful than Pakistan in every aspect, as Pakistan has no such constraints. It would continue to receive both advanced nuclear weapons and missiles from China in future as it had received in the past with the full knowledge of the US since the days of President Reagan.
RE:What about the Defence of India?
by Bill Chakravarti on Jul 17, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
Hey conspiracy theorist Dipak and all Leftist US bashers, try getting your heads around this one: You are today putting your message through a web portal. Think about it - this is not just an American invention, but more to the point, it has its origins in the US military. Does this mean that such e-communicating has suddenly given the US hegemonic control over Indian minds? Does this also mean we should constrain our communication to pre-emailing days to safeguard India against US imperialism over Indian thought? Giving you pause to wonder? The story gets better. I can rattle on ad nauseum about the "withering powers of imperialist US technology/know-how on chaste Indians" - did I mention that chaste Indian minds also includes the Kama Sutra? Now Dipak, you sound like an educated man, and I'm sure you too enjoy the many virtues of electronic technology - both good and bad! But here's the rub Dipak: today, Indian minds form a large part of all the "so-called destructive/imperialist powers of the US", be it civilian or military. I'll give you a piece of the big puzzle - think of the IIT graduates through the years and where many of them ended up? Jai Hind!
We need energy to keep the pace of country's development and this deal is the right step for the country. Let us all think above all dirty politics and spread this movement. We are fortunate that we have PM who have risked even his Govt for this caause.
RE:We must start movement
by Bill Chakravarti on Jul 17, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
That's right. Our PM is showing principles and taking a hard look at the future where India (because of the need to provide employment to its enormous population)has to more urgently safeguard itself against the reality of climate change and the dangers of carbon emission in that process. The sad thing is that too many confused people think that the PM is putting all his future energy plans into the one nuclear basket. This is farthest from the truth: the PM will be the first one to admit that India also needs many other alternative sources like wind, solar, wave, clean coal, gas and so forth. Let's stand behind the truth.
Only the Corrupt most talks about PRINCIPLE in Indian Politics. Communists are bunch of Cowards from their inception and they are filthiest and rotten most. These Chinese Bootlickers are the real pests and parasites of India. Al they do is misguiding the youths and converting them into scumbags. Slap the Communists on their faces and be ashamed if you ever voted for them. Communists are anti-civil and filthy people.
RE:Communists are Corrupt and Anti-Civil
by Gopinathan Nair on Jul 17, 2008 05:02 PM Permalink
You say only the Corrupt talks about PRINCIPLE !
Do you mean Gandhiji (M.K. Gandhi) was corrupt ? Do you mean the great Sardar Patel was corrupt ? Do you mean Morarji Desai was corrupt ? Do you mean Jaiprakash Narain was corrupt ? Please try to see the things in right perspective with a clean mind - not with a corrupt mind and blurred vision
RE:Suman Predicts Congress will win Trust Vote definately.Suman Sibal.9910237788
by natarajan nil on Jul 17, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
Can you predict what my mobile nmber is?
RE:Suman Predicts Congress will win Trust Vote definately.Suman Sibal.9910237788
by gunjan shah on Jul 17, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
who is suman sibal ? any connection with kapil sibal ????
As far as the present trust motion is concerned, it is unfortunate that UPA is bringing a trust motion on Nuclear Deal or 123 agreements even though we are enough problems to solve. I understand that all the political leaders irrespective of the left, right, small parties, are supporting nuclear deal, but they wants to clear some clarifications which has to be rectified or corrected before they goes to sign the agreement finally. Instead of bringing a trust motion at this later stage, UPA had to make a two days special session of parliament for the discussion of nuclear deal in Parliament and find out an amicable and favourable passing of bill after giving clarifications requested for by the elected members of Parliament thereby getting complete concensus on this issue. By making parliamentary democracy a mockery and coalition politics a farce, UPA Govt. is nothing to get but making our India a laughable. People around the world will make their already made opinion that India is a MERE BANANA DEMOCRACY!!!
RE:CAN WE FEEL AND SAY LOUNDLY AS 'MERA BHARAT MAHAN'!!!
by Unni Menon on Jul 17, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
There are bootleggers and smuglers who carry their good on truck with MERA BHARAT MAHHAN in bold letters. This is the situation in which we live; it is as good as a BANANA REPUBLIC.
It is not a matter of emotions. We need tremendous amount of fuel just to meet our bare needs. Hence all non-greenhouse fuels to be used. For this Uranium fuel required. No point in cursing somebody. We did not invent physics. Physics we aquired from the west. If we need to live well we need their Uranium. Manmohan is perfectly right in signing this treaty. Even chinese have signed.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Gopinathan Nair on Jul 17, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
You said Chinese signed. But please note they have done only after incorporating their terms and condtitions in the treaty. Hence, they are not bind by the U.S. Rules or the rules of any other countries whereas if we accept the draft agreement "as is" it will be a sell-out. We will have no control on our atomic energy programmes. Our scientis will have no freedom for experimenting. They will have to follow whatever U.S. Nuke Corporate bodies dictate them
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Ajikumar Achary on Jul 17, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
why u r worrying this much, for last @ 50 years congress was ruling this country during this period which country come to india to control us.u know like such reasons these leftist stopped our progress a lot. in the name of computer, IMF, world bank etc now history showing that congress is always right.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Rajni Mishra on Jul 17, 2008 04:47 PM Permalink
Thanks to bold poliocy of NDA government on nuclear tests, we have reached the position that we can sign nuclear protocols. Had Narsingha Rao government carried out the nuclear test as planned, we would have been in the same bargaining position as the Chinese. But even now it is not too late, and the draft protocol, that is being opposed by the safrons and the reds, in no way encroaches upon our sovereignity. Safrons do not want it because they will not get any credit, and the reds have inbuilt hatred of any thing or process that is progressive. They survive by keeping India backwards.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by appu chan on Jul 17, 2008 04:29 PM Permalink
Even after signing this deal, we will still have only 8% of our energy needs met. So with whom they will sign for the rest 92%?
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Ashok Kanta on Jul 17, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Its a great question. But you need to understand first that ENERGY SAVED IS ENERGY PRODUCED. We need to harness all source of Energy such as Solar Energy, Wind Energy etc. and the good relationship with USA & G8 Countries would stand in good stead. Because most of the research are done in these developed countries only. We Indians know to waste , talk nonsense & criticize all that good or not-Indian. And another thing we Indians think we know too much as OUR POLITICIANS LIKE LK ADVANI, PRAKASH KARAT AND LIKE THINK. So exercise your brain power-after all we are not duffer and any day better than those petty politicians.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by nimit patel on Jul 17, 2008 04:43 PM Permalink
we should go man... but the way this govt is doing is wrong.. they cant wait for ten more month ??
whole world is going for solar enegry, wind energy, hydro energy, bio gas, all other sources/.. and by god grace.. we had all the resources.. but still our govt ignoring ir...
do u know india is 4th in world for producing wind energy.. but in solar energy we are not even in top 20 why???
in hydro we are not even in top 15 even we had longest see cost of 3000 km...
we have highest number of cattle and for bio gas in rural india its great opportunity.. how many bio gas plant u had seen in rural india??
is it not wotrth to invest???
today we are getting 65% from thermal energy, 25% from hydro energy 3% from nuclear energy.. and 7 % other natural resources...
now u tell me that why should not we look for hydro, solar and wind energy.. its not useful..
the best advantage of this resources is.. they can setup in small unit in rural india like for 1000 house or few small SSI... and with less cost and by corporate and public support it can change india..
u go to wikipedia and check how many solar and wind farm USA is building... they are approved 800 farm in next 5 yrs ... and we are going for nuclear even we have resources???
RE:Nuke Agreement
by kieran frank dsouza on Jul 17, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
Mr Nimit Patel, yours is a very intelligent assessment. Please put your above post in more discussion boards re nuclear deal so that those blindly supporting nuclear deal will be forced to think and open their eyes
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Siddique Ansari on Jul 17, 2008 04:38 PM Permalink
So! you mean that if one is hungry, one should have either full meal or go empty stomach. Part satiation of hunger would not do.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Sanjiv Kumar on Jul 17, 2008 05:11 PM Permalink
Boss, just check the cost of the pasrt satisfactions.... Do u know that US will charge the fee for inspection of IAEA which cost more than 700 crore dollors per year. Just for monitoring that's it and it cost may go up. That's why US is more interested in the project and our Netas (specially congresse dalal)have very good shares/commisions in it.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Pratham on Jul 17, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
Right on appu.
What is disastrous is that US will block Iran pipeline deal which can meet 21% of our energy needs. Moreover, uranium based power generation is on the wane in West as Uranium itself is depleting.
RE:Nuke Agreement
by Bill Chakravarti on Jul 17, 2008 07:45 PM Permalink
Get your facts right. Who said nuclear power generation in the West is waning because of uranium depletion? Look at France, Britain, Japan - all building more plants. Where is the uranium depletion? They have not even scratched the surface of the vast uranium resources of Australia, Canada, Russia.
It does not have to be US presidential type. But more on lines of what India needs. That system of impeachment can only happen with direct election of PM and CM by people. NO MP/MLA ticket distribution system. the MP/MLA system of ticket distribution is bad because those NOT elected by PEOPLE of India control it. But what is far worse is that those the people of india don't want to be PM decide who should be the PM. IT IS A RACKET RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. DO PEOPLE HAVE BRAINS TO FIX IT? Nope. We cannot have rising like we have in NEPAL. As long you have this ROTTEN system of MP/MLA ticket distribution by dynasty and their cartel, these rascals will NOT be out of power for very long and they will come back again by using some opposing rant such as sickularism or something else. Secularism is good but it has been exploited for wrongful ends. Better way is to have direct election of PM and CM such that this MP/MLA ticket distribution racket is eliminated. Let us think what will be the use of these MLA and MPs when PM and CM are elected by people and people vote determines what happens to nuke deal.
A GOOD SYSTEM is IRRESPECTIVE OF "ANY" PARTY. currently all parties want the rotten system.
Whenever someone is helping the needy, you can't expect the TERMS AND CONDITIONS BETWEEN THE needy and the helper to be EQUAL??? BUT
(1) the helper's ulterior motive should be seen with broad eye because he is capable of digging a grave behind you and
(2) better to be self-sufficient and explore new avenues with available resources.
INDIA-CHINA-USA
India is very rich in Culture, follow Religions, Value Ethics, Level of Education is Very Good.
China is also rich in Culture, follow Religion, better disciplined.
USA does not have Culture, does not have Ethics, only want power over others. Particularly wants a firm footing in South Asia. Remember the introduction EURO by European Countries and it is stronger than Dollar? So their "DAL" cannot be boiled at "EUROPE". They are trying in India as already Pakistan is in their clutches.
RE:NUKE DEAL - REALITY - VI
by Prasanta Majumdar on Jul 17, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Gopinath you must be a mad person, you took so much of pain to give a gist of the nuclear deal. No body here will understand or want to understand. Don't waste your time and energy.
RE:NUKE DEAL - REALITY - VI
by Guest on Jul 17, 2008 05:16 PM Permalink
if INDIA had the same deal with CHINA you would have supported since as per ur terms china is most cultered and disciplined , we indians know how cultered they are when they massacred the thousands of aggitating youths in Tianamen square. this deal is viewed by communist more on ideological terms rather than on the merits and demerits. communists are saying that they are fighting for nations intrests. let me ask what was ur national intrests when india china war happened.communists always think that they are correct and others are wrong. they never accept their mistakes.
France has got 56 Nuclear Power stations producing 73% of the country's total power requirement. They are catching up the problem of eliminating the wastes / emissions from out of those plants at the same time increase the power production capacity. Government of France is now thinking how to reduce the power consumption in the country.
Conclusion
In view of the above danger, rather than signing the agreement and pledging India to USA, it will be prudent to increase the Solar & Wind Energy and more importantly Hyder Power Production can be increased by linking all rivers across India and by constructing DAMS. (Ofcourse Dam construction projects can be given to L&T's B&F Sector:-)
The whole process of this Agreement started in the year 2005 when Manmohan visited USA. In a span of just 2 years a major decision of signing this agreement has taken place with political motive. On the contrary, neither this Government nor any other earlier Central Government could not amend the Constitution thereby nationalise the rivers across the country thereby effectively utilise the water resources for both Agriculture purpose and producing Hydel Power. What an irony?
Whenever someone is helping the needy, you can't expect the TERMS AND CONDITIONS BETWEEN THE needy and the helper to be EQUAL??? BUT
(1) the helper's ulterior motive should be seen with broad eye because he is capable of digging a grave behind you and
RE:NUKE DEAL - REALITY - V
by mallikarjuna Reddy on Jul 17, 2008 04:21 PM Permalink
DO YOU KNOW THE COST OF LINKING RIVERS? IS IT EASY TO ADVICE BUT DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT.
