One thing is Clear Now, That, N-Facilities and Equipment Supplied by other countries will be Under PERPETUAL Safeguards.
Are they Going to be Supplied FREE ?????!!!
Else, What will be estimated Investment ? And Will it not be a Waste, Staking So Much Money ??
Also, Speaking of Safeguards wrt each Location and item is Speaking abt Peace time Affairs. What about the time when there will be Blanket Sanctions on Indian Nuclear Industry ??
I just want to know what will be the cost of the elctricity genertaed by nuclear power plants and has some objective study with hydro power generation costs been done ?
RE:Nuclear Deal
by hiral joshi on Jul 16, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
Thats pity. Those very useful things are not being told to public. N-power plant installation is very expensive so initial cost is very high for the electricity but in the long run it may come down until unless uninterrupted supply of fissile material is ensured. Enriched uranium is also very costly fuel and going to be costlier soon. The end result will be no different than in crude oil case. Now we are dependent on OPEC and that time we'll be on NSG.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Kachwala on Jul 16, 2008 10:35 PM Permalink
Technology for enriching Uranium can be developed but Oil reserves can not be created so in long run safe bet will be depending upon NSG for the time being.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by jaya krishnan on Jul 17, 2008 07:46 AM Permalink
This deal is not good for India at all .I hope these fools at the centre will have the foresight to not go ahead with this disaster of a deal. US wants to push this deal (especially Bush) because, they understand the non viability of the nuclear power as a source in the future. They are actively engaged currently in fullfledged Alternative energy research (solar, wind and bio) as they see where the future lies. And the decrepit and soon to be outdated nuclear technology (which is crude, eco unfriendly and dangerous, as well as lower yeilds and high expense) is to be discarded and sold to developing country like India. But they can do this only while there is still a good resale value for this which won't be for too long, which they realize as developing countries are fast catching up and hence the push to get this bill ratified. As I see it, only china and Communists ( and now BJP which is ofcourse doing it only to go against congress) are the real friend of the poor and common folk of India. Think calmly and in a detached manner free from your own selfish interests and benefits that this deal might bring you personally or your immediate family in US for just a few more years left for you to live in this world and that too as miserable third class citizens. You see, this deal is not about ship abandoning IT coolies hiding in foreign burrows but this is about the plight,hopes and aspirations of the poor, rural and common folk of my beloved motherland - Whom you have forgotten.
All are just throwing dirt against one another. In real, we Indian's need this deal for our country's progress. Let be from Russia/US/China. At the same time we should not give access to our Nuclear sites to other countries. The 123 agreement should be properly studied before signing. Just take the case of J&K. After partition also, the fight is still going on there. Why? because it was not done in a proper way. This type of things should not happen again. Ours is a country which is fast developing. All political parties should join together during crisis. Congress should have discussed the agreement in the parliament before our PM made his stance from the flight to Japan. Left parties also should have waited for some time. BJP is now having a good time watching this WWF between Congress & Left as they are going to benefit in the coming election.
Though t nuclear deal is in favour of nation, but all t parties even UPA are playing with t nation UPA:not ready 4 election due 2 high inflation so Ndeal may be good factor n purchasing MPs so wil get atleast 1 yr 4 election NDA:Wants reelection so no 2 N deal LEFT:China supporters SP:Wants good ministry 2 help buisness peoples BSP:Wants 3rd party 2 rule
RE:Nuclear deal-Only political drama
by Mahendra Patel on Jul 17, 2008 10:35 AM Permalink
We all are fighting Wrong Battle at wrong Place. What India- Specially Indian TV and NEWS MEDIA- SHOULD SETUP INFORMED INDEPTH EXPLANATION _BASED ON NUCLEAR ECONOMICS,ON NUCLEAR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY INCLUDDING FUEL,ON GEOPOLITICAL ALIGNMENT OR NON_ALIGNMENT ISSUE RELATED TO THIS and FINALLY PRESTIGE AND POWER ,IF WE USE WISELY THIS DEAL IN OUR FAVOR- LIST ISSUES TO MAKE MOST OF THIS DEAL IN INDIA'S FAVOR- AND THEN ALL THE STICKY ISSUES HOW TO LIVE WITH THESE OR HOW TO VIGGLE OUT OF IT.
I dont believe but first time in my life I would support NDA. Western world is enemy of mankind. Any nation that believes in allah, has no shortage of energy resources.
Those nations you mention have no shortage of backwardness, regressive 7th century mentalities, and generally poor outlooks, slapped with bloody violence, either.
RE:Scrap the deal
by Mahendra Patel on Jul 17, 2008 10:39 AM Permalink
AND HALF OF THEIR POPULATION LIVE UNDER CLOTH TENT-CALLED BURKHA- WOW WHAT A WASTE OF HUMAN LIFE????
I would like to say in the initial stage itself India should keep away from the agreement. Now we are really trapped. We are not in a position to say NO to this agreement. If we say NO we may get isolated from developed nations. At any cost a country like US will never give such an opportunity unless and until they get a ver big monoploy advantage/to bring others under their feet. India will become a strong nations by 2010, even US says. Why? US is mostly controlled by corporates included is OIL giants. India is also a place where southside attched to the Indian Ocdean seashore where OIL enrichment is there at high level.This is known to US very well. And INDIA has already an agreement with US saying that for oil and other resources India has to depend US.And this agreement is going to finish by 2010. After that India can explore their own oil from Indian Ocean THUS INDIA WILL BECOME A RICH COUNTRY. To avoid this in the name of Atomic Energy where HYDE ACT (will ban exploring oil,natural resources indias own facility) strictly makes India to depend on US, US is trying to trap Inia for another 40 years. That's the reason US is attacking Iran and opposed India to sign for Gas supply from Iran.
At any cost we must keep away from signing with US. or Govt should avoid the term of depending US for OIL.
RE:OIL , US, IAEA and INDIA
by jayan on Jul 17, 2008 07:56 AM Permalink
This deal is not good for India at all .I hope these fools at the centre will have the foresight to not go ahead with this disaster of a deal. US wants to push this deal (especially Bush) because, they understand the non viability of the nuclear power as a source in the future. They are actively engaged currently in fullfledged Alternative energy research (solar, wind and bio) as they see where the future lies. And the decrepit and soon to be outdated nuclear technology (which is crude, eco unfriendly and dangerous, as well as lower yeilds and high expense) is to be discarded and sold to developing country like India. But they can do this only while there is still a good resale value for this which won't be for too long, which they realize as developing countries are fast catching up and hence the push to get this bill ratified. As I see it, only china and Communists ( and now BJP which is ofcourse doing it only to go against congress) are the real friend of the poor and common folk of India. Think calmly and in a detached manner free from your own selfish interests and benefits that this deal might bring you personally or your immediate family in US for just a few more years left for you to live in this world and that too as miserable third class citizens. You see, this deal is not about ship abandoning IT coolies hiding in foreign burrows but this is about the plight,hopes and aspirations of the poor, rural and common folk of my beloved motherland - Whom you have forgotten.
Dear! Socalled Developed nations have a very fastly Dwindling Economies 'as well as' Soceities. Don't Bother abt Isolating from Them.
Bankruptcies of US Corporates are being Suppressed for the Time being due to US Elections. Believe Me, You will listen to Huge Bankruptcies once the Elections in US are Over. US failed in Afghanistan and Iraq. If US fails even in Indo-US Nuke Deal, US will be Gone Once forever from the Lead Role.
You have said a very True point that There is a Lot of Oil and Mineral Wealth along Our CoastLine. Thorium is 'also' one.
All People Must Understand That a fall of Gaint Economy like US is not a Big Thing.
Mind It, India's Economy was 25.5% of WorldGDP in 1875. By 1890s We have Apolitical People like Vivekananda speaking about Abject Poverty across India. Our GDP was less than 1% of World GDP. And Recall, the European Economies started growing only since 1860s.
So, Downfall of Dollar/USA will Not take Much Time. ONLY THING IS, DON'T RESIST ITS FREE FALL. Once Dollar Depreciates, US Economy will also Fall along with it. Once That happens US Influence over the World Also will happen. That will stop the finances of these Leftist Militias & Eco-Human Rights Activists And There will be Faster Development In India.
This Indo-US Nuke Deal if done will Not help India Much. Moreover, It will help rejuvenate its Hegemony over the World. Reject this N-Deal. (I am not a Pro-grace-ive.)
The last sentence proves how the leftists think. Well Mr.Varadarajan is routing for Russian reactors which will be sold at astronomical prices to India .Did any one done study on Russian supplied defence equipments and N-Reactors..they swindled India for decades.It doesnot mean that we should start getting swindled by US.But the Left and its sympathisers are stiffling nations free thought by ballantly biased openions either through politcians mouth or their supports in media.
RE:Leftist bias is stiffling nation
by jayan on Jul 17, 2008 07:57 AM Permalink
This deal is not good for India at all .I hope these fools at the centre will have the foresight to not go ahead with this disaster of a deal. US wants to push this deal (especially Bush) because, they understand the non viability of the nuclear power as a source in the future. They are actively engaged currently in fullfledged Alternative energy research (solar, wind and bio) as they see where the future lies. And the decrepit and soon to be outdated nuclear technology (which is crude, eco unfriendly and dangerous, as well as lower yeilds and high expense) is to be discarded and sold to developing country like India. But they can do this only while there is still a good resale value for this which won't be for too long, which they realize as developing countries are fast catching up and hence the push to get this bill ratified. As I see it, only china and Communists ( and now BJP which is ofcourse doing it only to go against congress) are the real friend of the poor and common folk of India. Think calmly and in a detached manner free from your own selfish interests and benefits that this deal might bring you personally or your immediate family in US for just a few more years left for you to live in this world and that too as miserable third class citizens. You see, this deal is not about ship abandoning IT coolies hiding in foreign burrows but this is about the plight,hopes and aspirations of the poor, rural and common folk of my beloved motherland - Whom you have forgotten.
Varadarajan can hardly be impartial on this issue. Like his employer, THE HINDU, he too is a sick Marxist mouthpiece, a lowly fifth columnist, like N Ram, who regularly spews Marxist tripe in the pages of the HINDU.em3mK
RE:S Varadarajan has a proven bias.
by Balasubramaniam on Jul 16, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
I am who I am.An Indian born in Free India and proud to be so.And I do not need to hide behind a pseudonym.
These guys should cut out the Legal jargon. We need to know (in simple spoken English) what happens if India tests a Nuclear Device using its own Reactors/materials (that are not under the safeguards of the 123 Agreement). Will India be then penalised? What happens to all out investments? What will be the other repercussions? What happens to the equipment that India would have paid for?
All along the Congress has been saying that India reserves the right to testing, but there will be repercussions. What are these repercussions please? After all the investment being talked about is huge and this money could be used for better purposes.
RE:India's IAEA draft: Invoking Para 29 won't be easy
by Mahendra Patel on Jul 17, 2008 10:53 AM Permalink
IT ALL DEPEND ON HOW STRONG YOU ARE_ IF NOT< DEAL OR NO DEAL YOU WILL BE BYCOTTED INTERNATIONALLY- SO THINK FROM STRENGTH_ IN GEOPOLITICAL SENSE- MIGHT IS RIGHT. THOUGH I DONOT PREACH THAT- PERSONALLY I AM REVERSE OF WHAT I STATED BUT IT'S TRUE AT PRESENT STATE OF THE WORLD. UNLESS INDIA ALL UNITE AND TAKE UNIFIED MORAL STAND, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE- WE ARE SPLIT FAIRLY CLOSE TO MIDDLE 50/50 FOR AND AGAIST.
RE:India's IAEA draft: Invoking Para 29 won't be easy
by biby tharian on Jul 16, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
i support this, even in conclucion i didnt understand what he wanted to say.
RE:India's IAEA draft: Invoking Para 29 won't be easy
by TheOneAndOnly on Jul 16, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
What he wanted to Say is That What Dr.Anil Kakodkar has Said is just a Wording or a Clause in the Agreement Which In practice is Damn difficult to Invoke As there will be Tremendous Political Pressure in the International Arena.
RE:India's IAEA draft: Invoking Para 29 won't be easy
by think tank on Jul 16, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
I thought the article was not understandable.. now this message too
